In Which Yogscast single-handedly ruined minecon for notch
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And so we have TotalBiscuits view on the matter.
[quote]Looks like the witchhunt on both sides is in full swing, here's my two-pence on the latest developments, point by point.
Yogscast repeatedly insulted people, talked behind their backs, refused to cooperate, and acted like total spoiled divas nonstop.
This really doesn't sound like the Simon and Lewis I know, who are generally extremely chilled out fun people, both online and in real life.
They called us "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company", demanded that we pay them to come here (nobody else got paid).
Alright so, when you bring celebrities to a convention, do you generally ask them to come for free? If you run a Star Trek convention, do you ask Riker and Spock to attend gratis? You expect them to go without compensation, which usually includes transatlantic flights and accomodation for several people as well as an appearance fee? No, you don't. Conventions rely on the celebrities in question to bring people to the event, drive traffic to the stream and add value. Yogscast are not just a couple of random fans, this is their full-time job. I've been doing events for a while now as a commentator, if an event didn't offer to pay for my services I'd have to think twice about going. Why? Because it's my job, doing things for free devalues you and it's very easy to be taken for a ride if you act like a push-over. If it was down the road, sure, maybe. If it's half way across the planet, well yeah, I'd kinda want to get paid for doing that gig, as would pretty much every eSports commentator. Yogscast went to do a panel and sign autographs, that in itself is a service, not to mention the fact that it takes them away from their regular jobs. The fact that no-one else got paid does not indicate a problem with Yogscast, but with a multi-millionaire staffing a convention with volunteers. Having seen some of the footage from Minecon, "a bunch of nerds who don't know how to run a company" is exactly how I'd describe Mojang and y'know what? I wouldn't even say that's a bad thing. The whole grass-roots "hey we're just one guy and his idea who made it big" thing is endearing and honest, but as we've just seen from this rampage, professionalism is not the highest priority of Mojang at the moment and they really don't know how to run a company. That line can be taken in many different ways, particularly coming from 2 British guys that are known to take the piss (like every British guy ever born).
And they claim they're the reason minecraft is big and that we should thank them more than anyone else in the community. They're total dicks
They are certainly the biggest driving force behind Minecraft at present, you only need to look at the view count. After Seananners stopped doing Minecraft content, Yogscast became a massive source of free promotion for the game. Their videos hit the frontpage of Youtube every day, showing Minecraft off on the second largest search engine in the world time after time. I'm not sure Notch fully grasps just how much that many views on Youtube can do for your product. To give another example, the Magicka developers told me that they attribute the majority of their sales to WTF is Magicka and The Yogscast and TotalBiscuit play Magicka. This would make sense, if you look at the views on those videos, they are massive. For an indie company, Youtube and word of mouth are the two biggest forms of free marketing available and guess what generates word of mouth? Well how about literally over a million people watching and talking about Yogscast Minecraft videos? If anything, Notch does actually sound a little ungrateful here which is a rather flabbergasting attitude from an indie dev and one I've never seen before (those who don't know, my main source of income is my WTF is series which hilights indie games, it's fairly well viewed and I've had nothing but gratitude from devs whose games I've promoted). I suppose when you get as big and as wealthy as Notch, the attitude can change.
A kid wanted them to sign something I had signed, and they said they'd cross it out and put "fuck you" there instead.
Welcome to Yogscast humour and more to the point, British humour. The easily offended need not to apply. How old was this kid? The Yogscast demographic is quite young anyway and there is plenty of harsh language in their videos, not to mention they would hear much worse on the playground. This sounds like a joke, not a particularly good one, but a joke none-the-less and not worth getting in a tizzy over.
Everyone else in the Minecraft community is all about respecting and caring. They're not. They're an isolated island of egos.
Well no, it's not Notch, you've bred one of the most retarded fanbases in gaming history. It's not your fault, but the entire Minecraft community is not in fact, about respecting and caring. There are subcommunities within it that are, /r/Minecraft is a great subreddit from what I can see, Yogscast also has a large community of it's own over on it's forums that does just as you describe. However, you also have a lot of immature, raging assholes in your "community" as well as plenty of others who are just out for themselves. Those people don't do massive charity streams like Yogscast do, they don't promote mods (and yes I am aware of the issues with the Yogbox, nobody goes through life without fuckups), they don't act as an extremely important stimulus to the community that you apparently love so much. Yogscast is without question one of the most important forces within not only Minecraft but at this point, gaming in general. They wield a massive amount of influence and they make a hell of a lot of people very happy.
Who knows what actually happened, it will be interesting to see if the community points the pitchforks back at Notch after Yogscast is able to make their statement (they are probably still on a plane right now) and tell their side of the story. Everyone loves a good witch-hunt, but a little perspective here please and do we really have to air this dirty laundry in public?
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A thing to note is that, seeing as they're all returning from Minecon, they're all (understandable) tired. Being tired makes you do stupid things. Tomorrow should be a better day for all concerned to sort everything out, and I fully expect an alpology - or something along those lines - from both of them.
It's true Notch blurted things out fairly un-professionally over twitter, but let's not forget that he started to explain things in a little more detail after he had Yogscast fans going on at him. In my opinion that probably caused him to get a bit mad - and having twitter there to reply to those confronting him didn't help in the slightest. It doesn't fully justify it, but it helps to explain.
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375564]because he licks the shit out of Yogscasts ass[/QUOTE]
That doesn't make it any less dumb to rub it in his face.
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375564]The FAQ on their channel does seem a little 'we're the yogscast fuck you'[/QUOTE]
All they're saying in that is "don't ask to join us, we're not prepared to go through hundreds of messages asking if you can join in with us". The only way you could possibly decipher the obvious "don't contact us, we'll contact you" message as "we're the yogscast fuck you" would be if you were one of the twelve year olds who asks if you can join in with them and then gets rejected.
[QUOTE=evlbzltyr;33375757]All they're saying in that is "don't ask to join us, we're not prepared to go through hundreds of messages asking if you can join in with us". The only way you could possibly decipher the obvious "don't contact us, we'll contact you" message as "we're the yogscast fuck you" would be if you were one of the twelve year olds who asks if you can join in with them and then gets rejected.[/QUOTE]
I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.
Hutch, Yogscast, SeaNanners, TheSyndicateProject.
A small sample of those I dislike.
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375776]I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.[/QUOTE]
They don't just talk over videos they play the games.
I'm pretty sure that almost everything Notch is complaining about is his 'enhanced' version of Simon and Lewis fucking around like they normally do
Seriously, I remember them doing a podcast or something, and what made it actually funny to listen to was the occasional insult towards a fan or something.
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375776]I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.
Hutch, Yogscast, SeaNanners, TheSyndicateProject.
A small sample of those I dislike.[/QUOTE]
I'm starting to doubt that you've ever watched any of their videos.
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375433]I never did like Yogscast because to me it seemed like they were acting as if being british and having a female friend qualified them as ~~~fucking amazing~~~
Time to rub this in my friend's face.[/QUOTE]
No man, they're not ~~~ fucking amazing~~~, they just have ~swag~
I like Seananners, what a guy.
Speaking of which, how do people like Yogscast get their partnership? Apparently videos with copyright material are not eligible and either get removed or do not make any revenue.
I have yet to see proof that yogscast even did anything in this debate, Ive known them since the time they only did world of warcraft and the yogpod, and this does not seem like them.
I think Notch was a bit pissed from how they behaved. Had a few drinks. Went to the hotel/home and raged his pants off.
I don't know who Yogscast is, but I mean saying that they're dropping the f-bomb in front of kids and then pulling masturbation jokes on his blog and calling Yogscast "dicks" is kinda hypocritical :v:
[QUOTE=geogzm;33375776]I have never liked them. I have never liked anyone who gains fame from talking over video games.
Hutch, Yogscast, SeaNanners, TheSyndicateProject.
A small sample of those I dislike.[/QUOTE]
Um, okay
I don't like people who gain fame from the X-factor, doesn't mean I go around looking for people who [I]do[/I] like them just to talk about how shit they are.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;33375838]I like Seananners, what a guy.
Speaking of which, how do people like Yogscast get their partnership? Apparently videos with copyright material are not eligible and either get removed or do not make any revenue.[/QUOTE]
I like Seananners too. He seems like a friendly guy. His voice is also very nice.
[QUOTE=Greenen72;33375810]I'm pretty sure that almost everything Notch is complaining about is his 'enhanced' version of Simon and Lewis fucking around like they normally do
Seriously, I remember them doing a podcast or something, and what made it actually funny to listen to was the occasional insult towards a fan or something.[/QUOTE]
I remember how shocked they were when they discovered their average fan was about 12 on one of the first podcasts, it was quite funny.
Even if it's too early to judge both sides yet it does not look good for the Yogscast, they got a lot of vitnesses that can speak for notch and that includes both staffs and fans.
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Alright so, when you bring celebrities to a convention, do you generally ask them to come for free? If you run a Star Trek convention, do you ask Riker and Spock to attend gratis? You expect them to go without compensation, which usually includes transatlantic flights and accomodation for several people as well as an appearance fee? No, you don't. Conventions rely on the celebrities in question to bring people to the event, drive traffic to the stream and add value. Yogscast are not just a couple of random fans, this is their full-time job. I've been doing events for a while now as a commentator, if an event didn't offer to pay for my services I'd have to think twice about going.[/quote]
Not like anyone's forcing the them to go. They're just youtube celebrities, why should they be treated like movie stars? I'm sure they can bare to stop making videos for a few days, if not then they should just get a real job.
[QUOTE=Zoran;33375860]I like Seananners too. He seems like a friendly guy. His voice is also very nice.[/QUOTE]
Agree, I'd like to meet him, what a chill dude.
On topic, why should notch care? He's raking in the millions and fucking 2 bitches a day, [B]updating the game? HA![/B] Money, bitches, money, bitches. Why should he spare a thought for two lonely users.
I'm pretty sure the only people that are actually mad about this whole thing are the people who only know the yog guys from the ~shadow of israphel~ stuff. Them dicking around and all that jazz is what they actually do when they aren't knee deep in people begging for more videos
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The way my words seem to shift into hate-mode must be what happens whenever I imagine having to put up with hundreds of thousands of 12 year olds begging you for stuff
[QUOTE=Swebonny;33375847]I think Notch was a bit pissed from how they behaved. Had a few drinks. Went to the hotel/home and raged his pants off.
I don't know who Yogscast is, but I mean saying that they're dropping the f-bomb in front of kids and then pulling masturbation jokes on his blog and calling Yogscast "dicks" is kinda hypocritical :v:[/QUOTE]
The masturbation "jokes" are really more gross than funny to be honest.
And if you saw the video interview they just put out, notch even made jokes about him fucking simons mom.
And that is actually hard proof instead of accusations.
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;33375838]I like Seananners, what a guy.
Speaking of which, how do people like Yogscast get their partnership? Apparently videos with copyright material are not eligible and either get removed or do not make any revenue.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.minecraft.net/terms[/url]
[quote]You're free to do whatever you want with screenshots and videos of the game, but don't just rip art resources and pass them around, that's no fun. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Sharker;33375902]Not like anyone's forcing the them to go. They're just youtube celebrities, why should they be treated like movie stars? I'm sure they can bare to stop making videos for a few days, if not then they should just get a real job.[/QUOTE]
Because their entire income is their youtube?
They're pretty big players in the minecraft community, and if they wanted to come, it would be pretty stupid to not try and get the guy who's actually got his pockets full of money to pay for it
[QUOTE=RubberFruit;33375908]Agree, I'd like to meet him, what a chill dude.
On topic, why should notch care? He's raking in the millions and fucking 2 bitches a day, [B]updating the game? HA![/B] Money, bitches, money, bitches. Why should he spare a thought for two lonely users.[/QUOTE]
Fuck bitches, get money.
[QUOTE=Eric95;33375932][url]http://www.minecraft.net/terms[/url][/QUOTE]
Neat, this might be helpful thank you
[QUOTE=Sharker;33375902]Not like anyone's forcing the them to go. They're just youtube celebrities, why should they be treated like movie stars? I'm sure they can bare to stop making videos for a few days, if not then they should just get a real job.[/QUOTE]
The thing is that they were asked to go there and be on the panel, now you would've thought that they would've been paid to do that, especially considering that Mojang is a multi-million dollar company now.
I know that if I was asked to spend the day signing autographs and doing a panel, I'd at least expect my travel expenses covered.
I always hated the Yogscast for several reasons.
1: They are completely unfunny.
2: All they do is make 30 minute videos of them talking about Minecraft while playing Minecraft, anyone can do that, and why not play Minecraft instead?
3: They get paid for their shit
4: They disown their God? I would love to see their subscribers drop when they couldn't make Minecraft videos.
Oh god it's like the Jurassic Park jeep all over again.
We need to update those kid shows about how words can hurt to the internet.
I feel bad for notch, if this is how he says it, it must've been pretty bad for him since he spent so much time and money getting this event sorted.
[QUOTE=Sharker;33375902]Not like anyone's forcing the them to go. They're just youtube celebrities, why should they be treated like movie stars? I'm sure they can bare to stop making videos for a few days, if not then they should just get a real job.[/QUOTE]
I dunno man, being known by about 50Million people does cover the "celebrity" status 'n all and if i had to do an entire day of autographing shit i'd want money for it, hell I've never been good with writing, my hand aches after a page, Thankfully I done all my English exams on computers.
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