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why do people insist on getting triforce on leona or go tanky dps

cause they no no how play tis gaem

[QUOTE=ashxu;31126217]why do people insist on getting triforce on leona or go tanky dps[/QUOTE] Because they see that it's been gotten on all the other recent champs. Maokai, Lee Sin, Yorick, Jarvan, Irelia, Trundle, Renekton. It must be the OP item to get right. [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] I just noticed the 'difficulty' rating on the wiki. [img]http://gyazo.com/a69081ddf2a869fbf7b4dcbc45ab7e15.png[/img] Vlads so close to the bottom ahahhahaha Morde huehuehue

Vlad is simplistic but I wouldn't say he's easy. Sort of like master yi. All you do is right click but you still need to know positioning, etc.

What positioning just blood into ground huehueue [editline]14th July 2011[/editline] Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Vaynes difficulty is 70 same as nidalee

pool is op but still a bad vlad will use it to harass/farm and put it on cd 80% of the time a good vlad won't need to rely on his pool

[QUOTE=ashxu;31126217]why do people insist on getting triforce on leona or go tanky dps[/QUOTE] Oh boy we get to continue our argument in the thread and get the opinions of others too! First, Trinity force is a good item in general (assuming your character has a good way of activating it's proc). It provides health, mana, AP, AD, movement speed, critical strike, and even more damage because of it's proc. Trinity force increases your damage output by a fair margin. It's movement speed increase allows you to stick on the squishy carries and actually try to either A: make them attack you, B: make them run, or C: kill them. Ashzx's argument is that trinity force is bad because tanks should only buy tank items and never get damage items ever. My argument is that a tank without at least a little bit of extra damage is useless because people will just ignore them. I personally don't think Leona has all that great of damage. Yes I understand she is a tank so she shouldn't be bursting people down, but at the same time, a person that is doing no damage isn't a threat at all. To avoid this situation I get Trinity force. Trinity force increases my damage and makes it so I'm actually a threat. A tank that isn't able to output enough damage is useless. Some tanks by default have good base damage (Amumu) or exceptional CC (Amumu/Alistar). While Leona does have 2 CC moves (Q and R), I don't feel that she is enough of a threat in a team fight. As it is now I basically feel that Leona can basically be ignored. Her damage isn't all that great. Squishies don't fear he all that much since her damage is sub-par, and she has no way to make said squishies attack her. While yes, she is a great tank and is great at soaking up damage, all of that health, armor, and magic resistance will be useless if there's no reason to attack you. If you're not a threat, and nobody is attacking you, then you're not tanking now are you? All of the other tanks have good tank abilities. Alistar has great CC and disruption. Amumu has great CC and base damage. Blitz (not strictly a tank, but can be the tank) has an AOE silence, knockup, and his grab which is great for initiation. Galio (tank/mage kind of thing but whatever) has an AOE taunt that's great for initiation and allows your squishies to kill their squishies. Maokai (tank/mage whatever) has a fairly large range CC and an AOE ult that reduces the damage your team is taking. (However his damage is sub-par which is why people like to build him tank-mage, that way he is more of a threat than just his CC) Rammus has a short stun/chase and a taunt that FORCES their squishies to attack him and DBC (also increases armor and MR by 150) makes the squishies kill themselves in the process. His ult actually does a bit of damage (1560 max damage not including MR) Shen has a global "SAVE ME" ult and a taunt that allows hims to keep the damage off of his squishies. Singed just kind of runs around disrupting people but dealing quite a bit of damage with his poison. (At base Singed poison will deal 350 damage with just 1 proc of it)(As in walking through it just once) While Leona does have a good Ult for team fights and good initiation skills, after she initiates she can basically be ignored. She doesn't have and exceptional CC (excluding ult which is basically a one time use per fight) or ways to keep enemies off of her teammates. To make up for her lack of what I think tanks should do, I increase her damage with trinity force (which works great with her Q) which allows her to keep on their squish and do decent damage to them, getting them away from the teamfight, thus reducing their damage.

The difficulty ratings are misleading and generally way off. Vlad might be easy but there's no way a new player is going to do well with him. And Nasus? He depends entirely on last hitting and resetting autoattack timers, which new players won't understand. imo the best new player characters are Ashe and Annie and Xin. Ashe is right click all day from a safe distance, and xin/annie are "beat dick across keyboard get a kill".

morde should be 100 everything cause #1

Shen has a taunt but I still get ignored when fighting semi-good people who don't focus the tank. Leona has insane durability, but yes, she has no damage. Instead, she enhances the damage of everyone around her through her passive, not to mention she has two stuns and a mini-stun (zenith blade makes the enemy stop for a second). I don't think its necessary to give her damage. If you want people to hate you in team fights, get something that slows, so you can dick them over if they ignore you.

[QUOTE=DTkach;31127595] If you want people to hate you in team fights, get something that slows, so you can dick them over if they ignore you.[/QUOTE] Lol Nunu.

[QUOTE=DTkach;31127595]Shen has a taunt but I still get ignored when fighting semi-good people who don't focus the tank. Leona has insane durability, but yes, she has no damage. Instead, she enhances the damage of everyone around her through her passive, not to mention she has two stuns and a mini-stun (zenith blade makes the enemy stop for a second). I don't think its necessary to give her damage. If you want people to hate you in team fights, get something that slows, so you can dick them over if they ignore you.[/QUOTE] That's the thing, I don't go only damage. The only item I get for damage is trinity force because it adds enough where I'm not actually a threat. After trinity force I go tank items. Refer to this post: [QUOTE=Daniellynet;31120806][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/54de9.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=LittleDogX;31127828]That's the thing, I don't go only damage. The only item I get for damage is trinity force because it adds enough where I'm not actually a threat. After trinity force I go tank items. Refer to this post:[/QUOTE] except you rushed triforce and cdr boots [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Triforce or not no one is stupid enough to attack the tank in a serious game, when there are more easier targets. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] But sometimes you're spearheading and they are forced to, or you have to hold off an attack while allies come. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] But o no wait you can't spearhead because you fucking rushed an offensive item and blow up under heavy fire.

[QUOTE=ashxu;31128002]except you rushed triforce and cdr boots [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Triforce or not no one is stupid enough to attack the tank in a serious game, when there are more easier targets. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] But sometimes you're spearheading and they are forced to, or you have to hold off an attack while allies come. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] But o no wait you can't spearhead because you fucking rushed an offensive item and blow up under heavy fire.[/QUOTE] Except for the part where by the time laning phase is over you should have trinity and cdr boots. In reality you don't need to start building super tank until team fights start. In lane she has her shield which gives you 30/40/50/60/70 AR/MR which also works well even in early teamfights. If anyone is doing super nuke damage in team fights early game that means they are usually fed squishy carries which your team should focus anyways. Leona has great base stats so you don't need to rush defensive items on her. My Skill order is: R when available, Q,W,W,E, Max W, Max Q, Max E. With that skill order it makes her exceptionally tanky in laning phase and early teamfight phase. It also allows her to do alot of burst damage while tanking and feed her teammates kills (ask Viatee for example).

[QUOTE=LittleDogX;31128190]Except for the part where by the time laning phase is over you should have trinity and cdr boots.[/QUOTE] 15 minute triforce lol. You're not gonna get that much farm unless the enemy lets you.

Kennen does like no damage... And worst normal team ever.

[QUOTE=Flubadoo;31128412]Kennen does like no damage... And worst normal team ever.[/QUOTE] He needs buffing. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] He has worse scaling than Leblanc :frog:

[QUOTE=Phir3;31128400]15 minute triforce lol. You're not gonna get that much farm unless the enemy lets you.[/QUOTE] That's over 100 cs, and even then all you have is a triforce [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Trinity Force cost 4070g

[img]http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/5021/aasasasas.png[/img] [B]I DID IT[/B] 400 wins in normal and 20.000 IP.

[QUOTE=ashxu;31128447]That's over 100 cs, and even then all you have is a triforce [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Trinity Force cost 4070g[/QUOTE] If you get triforce at 15 mins you won the game anyways. Wouldn't matter what you built.

With 4125g you could of bought a Shurelya's Reverie AND an Aegis of the Legion

Now, should I buy Ez, Jax, Shaco and Brand or should I wait for new champ? [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Fuck that, I'll wait for Skarner he looks badass

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[QUOTE=ashxu;31128484]With 4125g you could of bought a Shurelya's Reverie AND an Aegis of the Legion[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's the main problem I have with buying Trinity Force, is that it's so expensive when items like Black Cleaver outdamage it in every way (250 hp doesn't really count as survivability) or with 4k gold you could've gotten some nice items. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Blueplastic;31128488]Now, should I buy Ez, Jax, Shaco and Brand or should I wait for new champ? [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] Fuck that, I'll wait for Skarner he looks badass[/QUOTE] They released new pictures?

[QUOTE=Flubadoo;31128518]Yeah, that's the main problem I have with buying Trinity Force, is that it's so expensive when items like Black Cleaver outdamage it in every way (250 hp doesn't really count as survivability) or with 4k gold you could've gotten some nice items.[/QUOTE] yet LittleDog still insists on rushing it on Leona.

[QUOTE=Blueplastic;31128435]He needs buffing. [editline]15th July 2011[/editline] He has worse scaling than Leblanc :frog:[/QUOTE] His scaling is WAY worse than leblanc. I mean, his W is 185(+0.4AP) and Annie's is 285(+0.8AP). Sure it has a lower cooldown, but those are the two AOE "nukes" of the two champs, and Kennen's has shit damage.

[QUOTE=Flubadoo;31128540]His scaling is WAY worse than leblanc. I mean, his W is 185(+0.4AP) and Annie's is 285(+0.8AP). Sure it has a lower cooldown, but those are the two AOE "nukes" of the two champs, and Kennen's has shit damage.[/QUOTE] And it's also a skillshot :eng101:

Maokai, Fiddlesticks, Irelia, Alistar and Ashe. Why do I always get to fight perfect teams in ranked... We have Vayne, Annie, Xin Zhao, Jarvan IV and Olaf (me)

[QUOTE=ashxu;31128561]Maokai, Fiddlesticks, Irelia, Alistar and Ashe. Why do I always get to fight perfect teams in ranked... We have Vayne, Annie, Xin Zhao, Jarvan IV and Olaf (me)[/QUOTE] Dude, you have a fairly good team yourself.

[QUOTE=ashxu;31128561]Maokai, Fiddlesticks, Irelia, Alistar and Ashe. Why do I always get to fight perfect teams in ranked... We have Vayne, Annie, Xin Zhao, Jarvan IV and Olaf (me)[/QUOTE] Don't want to sound like a prick but your team seems like a very nice team if you remove the Olaf. If you follow the higher tier guides you'd know Olaf is behind to a lot of champs atm.