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Here's little thing I'd like to discuss : Many, many, many people believe following statements because "Pros do it" : - Supports should buy wards constantly - Junglers have to ward Baron and Dragon, any more wards is optional - Other players can buy wards volunteerly Now, when people during game bitch at support for not bying wards I think the following : - Most of the supports at higher ELO ignore creeps when in duolane, so that their buddy can farm more (While sort of proper thing to do I still encourage supports that are paired with me to get some creeps, most of the champions I play never have income problems) - Based on statement above --> Supports are likely to have the least amount of gold in team. Wards are cheap, but %-wise they are a lot more expensive to a support that has 10-20 creeps after 30 minutes than to his lane buddy, who might have well over 150. - Wards have range of placement. Some places might be risky to place a ward there (i.e. enemy buffs, enemy jungle, river). Supports are not as effective when solo, so they should spent most of the time with at least 1 teammate. Champions that do move a lot on their own are : junglers and roamers. They benefit from infiltrating enemy lines and can abuse it (steal buffs, traps) and usually don't have much trouble getting income for their wards either. - Junglers usually gank well, so they not only benefit a lot from vision provided by wards, they can also counter wards well due to amount of travelling between lanes. I personally, when jungling, have couple of my favourite ward spots and I don't suppose that my random teammate supports knows them. Rather than ordering him to place wards there I will buy them myself. - While delaying BF sword is not wise to do as a carry, there should be a point where "more" is not necessary. Example : my core for Urgot has always been Manamune ,Mercury Threads and Brutalizer. From there on I can either get survivability or damage (or both, depends on what the team needs). After getting them I can afford 5-6 wards easily without breaking the pace at which I get items. [B]So, is it just a load of bullshit high-elo players made up so that they can carry harder and no one will notice because supports simply buy GoldPer5 items or is there a reason ?[/B]

I always ward dragon river and baron with my wrigless ward as noct that means I'm pro? cool

[QUOTE=Dr.Scrake;31665354]I always ward dragon river and baron with my wrigless ward as noct that means I'm pro? cool[/QUOTE] If that's all you ever ward then you are "Pro". Notice the "" .

and that's the "Pro" I was talking 'bout cool!

how to winstreak: get on nordic wait for djmartin to invite you to a normal accept play as support soraka win game repeat

also I have a question [img]http://i.imgur.com/i0CS1.png[/img] these are the store skin images: 1. what the hell are those first "skins" with the character face instead of a pic in there 2. why do some skins like annie's have double images 3. why the hell do medieval twitch and jax pax have store images if they are limited as a reward/code?

[QUOTE=Tokagero;31665334]Here's little thing I'd like to discuss : Many, many, many people believe following statements because "Pros do it" : - Supports should buy wards constantly - Junglers have to ward Baron and Dragon, any more wards is optional - Other players can buy wards volunteerly Now, when people during game bitch at support for not bying wards I think the following : - Most of the supports at higher ELO ignore creeps when in duolane, so that their buddy can farm more (While sort of proper thing to do I still encourage supports that are paired with me to get some creeps, most of the champions I play never have income problems) - Based on statement above --> Supports are likely to have the least amount of gold in team. Wards are cheap, but %-wise they are a lot more expensive to a support that has 10-20 creeps after 30 minutes than to his lane buddy, who might have well over 150. - Wards have range of placement. Some places might be risky to place a ward there (i.e. enemy buffs, enemy jungle, river). Supports are not as effective when solo, so they should spent most of the time with at least 1 teammate. Champions that do move a lot on their own are : junglers and roamers. They benefit from infiltrating enemy lines and can abuse it (steal buffs, traps) and usually don't have much trouble getting income for their wards either. - Junglers usually gank well, so they not only benefit a lot from vision provided by wards, they can also counter wards well due to amount of travelling between lanes. I personally, when jungling, have couple of my favourite ward spots and I don't suppose that my random teammate supports knows them. Rather than ordering him to place wards there I will buy them myself. - While delaying BF sword is not wise to do as a carry, there should be a point where "more" is not necessary. Example : my core for Urgot has always been Manamune ,Mercury Threads and Brutalizer. From there on I can either get survivability or damage (or both, depends on what the team needs). After getting them I can afford 5-6 wards easily without breaking the pace at which I get items. [B]So, is it just a load of bullshit high-elo players made up so that they can carry harder and no one will notice because supports simply buy GoldPer5 items or is there a reason ?[/B][/QUOTE] Gold is really easy to get. Gold from assists, 150 gold per tower, 190 from dragon, 300 from baron, gold/5 items. Supports are not that item intensive. One good AP item will cover the game for them. Asking them to play a dozen wards over he course of a game shouldn't be the arm twisting that it is.

[QUOTE=Banned?;31665523]Gold is really easy to get. Gold from assists, 150 gold per tower, 190 from dragon, 300 from baron, gold/5 items. Supports are not that item intensive. One good AP item will cover the game for them. Asking them to play a dozen wards over he course of a game shouldn't be the arm twisting that it is.[/QUOTE] Yes, but other players get gold you mentioned aswell. I am not saying supports should spend as much gold on the items as other people, but I quite often encounter people who think that if map isn't entirely visible support is hogging all the gold for himself. Indeed, 1 strong AP item = strong heals/etc. Yet, I still remember a match where as Soraka I manged to get Shurelia, 40% CD with elixir, around 10 stacks of Mejai (assist whoring), Deathcap and Rod of Ages. Active + constant wave of healing = enemies [B]had[/B] to kill me, which didn't happen because we had awesome Shen.

[QUOTE=nikomo;31665464]how to winstreak: play as support soraka win game repeat[/QUOTE] Fixed.

[QUOTE=pawelte1;31664510]My soul hurts every time I see a Gangplank building Phantom Dancer.[/QUOTE] uh [editline]11th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Akuma_lektro;31664826]i should really play with him more [/QUOTE] you should

Dani man youre back at 1350 :| I climbed back 1 win from the losing streak i had yesterday.

meh 1350 I would definitely buy anyone a RP card if they could carry me to 1250

Kassadins w should be reworked into a ranged farming ability.

[QUOTE=DigitalySane;31666357]Kassadins w should be reworked into a ranged farming ability.[/QUOTE] Its already a good farming tool kinda like Irelia's W. and gives you good mana also Kayle E much?

His W is fine. But he still needs buffing

[QUOTE=TehWoodPcker;31666107]Dani man youre back at 1350 :| I climbed back 1 win from the losing streak i had yesterday.[/QUOTE] Lack of sleep, Soraka on enemy team 24/7 while my team never has a support, long school days.

[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/xBWrJ.jpg[/thumb] hahahaha that panth worked for riot long time ago. [editline]11th August 2011[/editline] [url]http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=641708[/url] One of his "I love that red <3" threads

[QUOTE=ashxu;31666194]meh 1350 I would definitely buy anyone a RP card if they could carry me to 1250[/QUOTE] DUDE! i just played against you. oh my god was that funny as fuck or what! [img]http://gyazo.com/9bc6db9f4311ea305dec04e17cf8f2e5.png[/img]

[QUOTE=James the iii;31666906]DUDE! i just played against you. oh my god was that funny as fuck or what![/QUOTE] was he good :o

[QUOTE=Blueplastic;31666916]was he good :o[/QUOTE] we almost lost because xin fed and was very odd, then odd enough ashe started to kill and we win.

Ashxu removed me because i wouldnt play with him. I apparently didnt have the balls to play with someone 400 elo lower than me v:v:v

Your team needs a tank and you buy trinity force. gg ashxu

[QUOTE=Blueplastic;31666942]Your team needs a tank and you buy trinity force. gg ashxu[/QUOTE] ya you should have seen it at the start at level 1 xin tower dived monkey and sona.

[QUOTE=James the iii;31666965]ya you should have seen it at the start at level 1 xin tower dived monkey and sona.[/QUOTE] Ugh people don't understand that towerdiving at low levels isn't worth it even if you'll get the kill (but you probably won't). leave them and take as much CS and XP as possible ffs...

[QUOTE=Blueplastic;31666981]Ugh people don't understand that towerdiving at low levels isn't worth it even if you'll get the kill (but you probably won't). leave them and take as much CS and XP as possible ffs...[/QUOTE] True and often its just suicide. But even if you die at the turret if you kill the enemy and someone else gets an assist its worth it because your team just got more gold and that opponent got free farm top for a while.

[QUOTE=Blueplastic;31666981]Ugh people don't understand that towerdiving at low levels isn't worth it even if you'll get the kill (but you probably won't). leave them and take as much CS and XP as possible ffs...[/QUOTE] man i don't even know how to explain xin's stupidity. the guy was a complete idiot i wish i had lolrecorder. it would be amazing to get a replay of it. [editline]11th August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TehWoodPcker;31667002]True and often its just suicide. But even if you die at the turret if you kill the enemy and someone else gets an assist its worth it because your team just got more gold and that opponent got free farm top for a while.[/QUOTE] but if you die they get assist and kill money too. so whats the point of that?

[QUOTE=James the iii;31667012]man i don't even know how to explain xin's stupidity. the guy was a complete idiot i wish i had lolrecorder. it would be amazing to get a replay of it. [editline]11th August 2011[/editline] but if you die they get assist and kill money too. so whats the point of that?[/QUOTE] I meant a situation where you have 2 top soloes. You kill the solo but die. He gets a kill but your team gets a kill and an assist

[QUOTE=TehWoodPcker;31667058]I meant a situation where you have 2 top soloes. You kill the solo but die. He gets a kill but your team gets a kill and an assist[/QUOTE] oh i get what your talking about now. true very true. thats why i do not like to tower rush, unless i'm like 10 and above.