I find he isn't all that different from Jax. I wouldn't really call him a "tanky DPS" like Irelia and Renekton. He works well with things like triforce, but besides that he doesn't have much tankiness, at least in my build.
Jax doesn't need HP
If you can go non tanky Skarner and not die then your enemies are bads
[QUOTE=Jund;32013801]Jax doesn't need HP
If you can go non tanky Skarner and not die then your enemies are bads[/QUOTE]
Jax does need HP though.
[QUOTE=Jund;32013801]Jax doesn't need HP
If you can go non tanky Skarner and not die then your enemies are bads[/QUOTE]
So those 10+ games I posted (twice) are full of bads?
Ok.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32013846]So those 10+ games I posted (twice) are full of bads?
Ok.[/QUOTE]
Yeah they are. But that doesn't prove he's not good. (he isn't AFAIK).
Jax gains hp from AD/AP. Stop being noobs and just stack that shit and maybe some resist.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32013780]I find he isn't all that different from Jax. I wouldn't really call him a "tanky DPS" like Irelia and Renekton. He works well with things like triforce, but besides that he doesn't have much tankiness, at least in my build.[/QUOTE]
Yeah you're right Jax DOES need all of that stuff which is why he wasn't viable for forever till people started abusing the level 2 dmg combo.
And when Skarner DOES get all the stats that he needs, he's nowhere near as powerful as Jaximus
[QUOTE=bionic0n3;32013911]Jax gains hp from AD/AP. Stop being noobs and just stack that shit and maybe some resist.[/QUOTE]
His passive doesn't give enough to not get survivability items. Unless you're ahead of everyone else you're gonna need some health/resist items after Gunblade or Rageblade.
[QUOTE=NoShogun;32013923]Yeah you're right Jax DOES need all of that stuff which is why he wasn't viable for forever till people started abusing the level 2 dmg combo.
And when Skarner DOES get all the stats that he needs, he's nowhere near as powerful as Jaximus[/QUOTE]
No dude I will Q you for 80
If you don't get away from me I'll Q you for 148
Watch out!!!!
[QUOTE=DTkach;32013846]So those 10+ games I posted (twice) are full of bads?
Ok.[/QUOTE]
yeah, yeah they are
skarner is le shit
[QUOTE=Phir3;32013960]His passive doesn't give enough to not get survivability items. Unless you're ahead of everyone else you're gonna need some health/resist items after Gunblade or Rageblade.[/QUOTE]
Banshees Veil. Bam, 'nuff gotten. Grab and Atma's and have a ball.
[QUOTE=Phir3;32013960]His passive doesn't give enough to not get survivability items. Unless you're ahead of everyone else you're gonna need some health/resist items after Gunblade or Rageblade.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but from that point on you'll be wrecking faces
Skarner needs so much shit it takes ages to get him started up
If you have 300 AD your Q will finally be able to do more damage than your autos
[editline]30th August 2011[/editline]
No wait my math is wrong your autos still do more damage
[editline]30th August 2011[/editline]
But it's okay right? I mean if you build AP you'll get 300 damage Qs if you have more than 500 AP!!!
[QUOTE=DTkach;32013846]So those 10+ games I posted (twice) are full of bads?
Ok.[/QUOTE]
Don't mind it, the champion talk here is limited. It doesn't matter if you get 20/0 as Skarner in the highest possible ELO, in this thread he'll always suck.
There's absolutely no way to disagree that he needs a buff, and badly, though.
[QUOTE=Banned?;32014020]Banshees Veil. Bam, 'nuff gotten. Grab and Atma's and have a ball.[/QUOTE]
That's what I said. Some health/resist items.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;32014049]Don't mind it, the champion talk here is limited. It doesn't matter if you get 20/0 as Skarner in the highest possible ELO, in this thread he'll always suck.[/QUOTE]
Yeah it's just bandwagoning
No way he's possibly bad
sleeper op
Jax with a Gunblade, Tabis, Banshees, and a Randuins and he's good to wreck all game. Seriously he just needs his survivability to do anything.
Tanky deeps is strong cause you only need like 3 items and you can wreck faces
[QUOTE=Jund;32014070]Yeah it's just bandwagoning
No way he's possibly bad
sleeper op[/QUOTE]
wasn't it you guys that said that Malphite isn't a bad champion, just not the best pick?
Same thing with Skarner
I played mundo, jax and morde in 3's tons of times, and even with incredibly shit teammates, I managed to carry the fools and win 30+ games. I think I only lost like ... 2 games. But then again TT is broken.
I played them in SR, mundo isn't bad, morde is pretty good but jax now seems like crap unless he's fed.
The viability of Skarner compared to Malphite is pretty far apart
He's slightly more viable than Twitch and Eve, but that isn't saying much
Here is a better question: are people in high level play using him? No?
Then he is not viable enough.
Well yeah he can't do as good as other champions, but he's able to fill his role, IMO
The thing is that you'll just need a shitload more skill, but he's far from unplayable.
But it's not a high skill cap kind of skill, it's an "I need to put a billion times more effort into items and farming to be effective" kind of skill.
That is not an effective champion.
So you're saying that the problem isn't that his numbers are bad, he just needs skill?
Cass needs skill, but if you play her well you shit out DPS
Skarner needs skill, but if you play him well you still don't do much
He is like Talon: he is really underpowered right now and if you want to do his job well you need to put far more effort into him than other champions.
hey man i saw some pro player play twitch and do good
that means hes viable right?
RIGHT.
[QUOTE=Banned?;32014193]He is like Talon: he is really underpowered right now and if you want to do his job well you need to put far more effort into him than other champions.[/QUOTE]
Talon is balanced.
Talon is underpowered.
[QUOTE=polarbear.;32014199]hey man i saw some pro player play twitch and do good
that means hes viable right?
RIGHT.[/QUOTE]
We're talking about being used in tourneys here.
[QUOTE=Jund;32014191]So you're saying that the problem isn't that his numbers are bad, he just needs skill?[/QUOTE]
Didn't say that
I'm actually trying to say the opposite. He should be buffed, because the way he is he needs a lot of skill to be used effectively. That sounds pretty obvious now, though.
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