and really, you're making it sound like having to get up close is a fucking horrible thing or something
[QUOTE=Dragonblz;32058890]one does not give blue to GP, GP takes it (ideally from enemy or enemy jungle)
CDR runes + cdr boots gets your parrley a noticeable amount lower
540 damage isn't taking your AD into account at all, or your sheen
if you want to be frontline GP then you aren't building glass cannon GP and shouldn't be using CDR boots anyway (get aspeed boots, shred people, don't bother with a sheen either, get more crit, probably a cloak and dagger for tenacity)
oh god theorycrafting :suicide:[/QUOTE]
Do I have to work this out step by step for you?
Look, 260 base damage, 160 damage from triforce = 420 base crit parley
2.0 ad ratio
Crit increases damage output by 1% per 1%. Therefore with 50% you deal 50% more damage.
Parley has 130 base damage (no crit) which means with 50% crit chance you'll deal 205 base damage + the proc on triforce which is going to be 160.
205+160 = 365.
Then we factor in AD, which can range from 200-300
665-815 RAW DAMAGE.
Then we factor in base armor
465-570 ACTUAL DAMAGE
Then if they get a chain vest, damage is halved.
[sp]dont try to theorycraft vs me, it will never turn out good for you[/sp]
We lost to soraka ap carry.Now i'm going full pre-arranged tank team.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;32058960]and really, you're making it sound like having to get up close is a fucking horrible thing or something[/QUOTE]
It is pretty fucking horrible when you have no hp and no resists. Brand doesn't even have to target you specifically to get 720(+1.65AP) burst off, he just throws that shit into your team.
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[QUOTE=TyHap;32058988]We lost to soraka ap carry.Now i'm going full pre-arranged tank team.[/QUOTE]
soraka ap carry is too strong.
you're still missing out on IE and his E damage boost
and either way, getting a 300-400 damage crit per hit IS enough
you're honestly trying to make it sound like it's bad or something, give it up already
I never said melee GP had bad DPS, I said trinitycrit gp has higher DPS than you're giving credit for, and you'll probably die alot more as melee GP because, like you said, you'll get focused.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32058966]Do I have to work this out step by step for you?
Look, 260 base damage, 160 damage from triforce = 420 base crit parley
2.0 ad ratio
Crit increases damage output by 1% per 1%. Therefore with 50% you deal 50% more damage.
Parley has 130 base damage (no crit) which means with 50% crit chance you'll deal 205 base damage + the proc on triforce which is going to be 160.
205+160 = 365.
Then we factor in AD, which can range from 200-300
665-815 RAW DAMAGE.
Then we factor in base armor
465-570 ACTUAL DAMAGE
Then if they get a chain vest, damage is halved.
[sp]dont try to theorycraft vs me, it will never turn out good for you[/sp][/QUOTE]
fuck your theorycrafting
aslong as it works in practice. which it does.
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[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;32059000]you're still missing out on IE and his E damage boost
and either way, getting a 300-400 damage crit per hit IS enough
you're honestly trying to make it sound like it's bad or something, give it up already[/QUOTE]
300-400 damage crit per hit is good, but you have to get close, and you're a melee glass cannon, which makes you explode once you get close...
If I did factor in IE, his damage on Q would only be around 25% higher than I calculated it to be, which is 500-700 damage per crit on a low armor target.
I don't think you understand that enemy teams usually know what focusing a squishy means.
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Bottom line:
-GP has to get into melee range to deal most of his DPS
-If you build him glass cannon you die
-If you build him tanky dps you deal much more total damage in the end
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059026]I don't think you understand that enemy teams usually know what focusing a squishy means.[/QUOTE]
huehuehuehuehue
[QUOTE=spanaren;32058843]yes but if you run in and get instagibbed you do 0 DPS
does that sound better to you?[/QUOTE]
Wow seriously?
Go play a fucking AD carry if you're just gonna sit at the back of your team firing parleys.
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[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;32058931]well.. so?
parley is still enough to win your lane with crit runes imo
and calm down holy shit[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about teamfights.
i've never had any problem going glass cannon GP really, i know how to position myself and when to go in most of the time
flash also helps a lot to get up close to the enemy ap carry or such
[QUOTE=Dragonblz;32059005]I never said melee GP had bad DPS, I said trinitycrit gp has higher DPS than you're giving credit for, and you'll probably die alot more as melee GP because, like you said, you'll get focused.[/QUOTE]
Of course tanky dps GP has more dps than glass cannon in the end. That's what I was trying to get at.....
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;32059072]i've never had any problem going glass cannon GP really, i know how to position myself and when to go in most of the time
flash also helps a lot to get up close to the enemy ap carry or such[/QUOTE]
Problem is once you flash into the enemy team they blow you up.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059077]Of course tanky dps GP has more dps than glass cannon in the end. That's what I was trying to get at.....[/QUOTE]
And you'll get focused and die
Have you ever seen a Master Yi alpha strike into an enemy team?
It ends up horribly.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059115]Have you ever seen a Master Yi alpha strike into an enemy team?
It ends up horribly.[/QUOTE]
So would GP getting in the middle of a team fight
[QUOTE=Dragonblz;32059109]And you'll get focused and die[/QUOTE]
Wait now I'm just fucking confused.
Are you saying Tanky gp > glass gp or glass gp > tanky gp?
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059104]Problem is once you flash into the enemy team they blow you up.[/QUOTE]
not if you fucking know how to position yourself holy fuck you're being ignorant now
just ask belivo or whitefang they've played with me and know what i'm talking about
If GP never goes into a fight and just stays back and parleys, he doesn't really add anything to the team.
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059130]Wait now I'm just fucking confused.
Are you saying Tanky gp > glass gp or glass gp > tanky gp?[/QUOTE]
They each have their advantages, but mostly glass > tanky since you don't get in the middle of team fights
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[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059134]If GP never goes into a fight and just stays back and parleys, he doesn't really add anything to the team.[/QUOTE]
Also GP'S E is godlike
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;32059132]not if you fucking know how to position yourself holy fuck you're being ignorant now
just ask belivo or whitefang they've played with me and know what i'm talking about[/QUOTE]
If you are near a, say, AP carry, they will be at the back or in the middle of their team.
Melee characters really don't have that much positioning involved, just smacking the shit outta whoever they're attacking.
If you're near a carry, chances are, you're near the rest of their whole team.
What is Irelia's role? Is she a good champion? I have never laned with one to see what exactly she's supposed to be (AP, AD, Hybrid, Tank, Support)
[QUOTE=Flubadoo;32059157]If you are near a, say, AP carry, they will be at the back or in the middle of their team.
Melee characters really don't have that much positioning involved, just smacking the shit outta whoever they're attacking.
If you're near a carry, chances are, you're near the rest of their whole team.[/QUOTE]
whatever you say buddy, i'm done
[QUOTE=Dragonblz;32059138]They each have their advantages, but mostly glass > tanky since you don't get in the middle of team fights
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Also GP'S E is godlike[/QUOTE]
So you're just gonna stay at the back of your team adding negligible DPS and giving a decent buff to your teammates? That's still not really doing much for such an important role.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;32059164]What is Irelia's role? Is she a good champion? I have never laned with one to see what exactly she's supposed to be (AP, AD, Hybrid, Tank, Support)[/QUOTE]
she's an annoying fucking bitch who manages to get fed even if you deny her out of the lane for 20 minutes
yes she's good
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;32059164]What is Irelia's role? Is she a good champion? I have never laned with one to see what exactly she's supposed to be (AP, AD, Hybrid, Tank, Support)[/QUOTE]
She usually takes a solo lane top. She's a tanky DPS, but leaning more towards the DPS side of things.
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Also, her true damage fucking hurts.
Nocturne is boring.
Theorycraft that plz
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