[QUOTE=ejonkou;30465206]What I have heard it seems quite promising.[/QUOTE]
In that case I really hope all you've heard is "you are getting a laggy resource intensive room to stand (or sit!!) in when you dock" emphasise on (one) 'room'
The only good thing about incarna is the new turret models they're underplaying, and even they mean having to learn what every turret looks like again
Is there any chance of making this roam next sunday, rather than saturday?
I am otherwise engaged all day then.
So, in 4 Days (6 days if i use invuln fields instead of situational hardners) I could have a Raven, for PVE, while not fully Optimised, I can equip it fully, albeit maybe not optimally, but at least i can equip it and use ti while skills are training.
6x Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher
1x Tractor Beam
1x Drone Link Augmentor
4x Large Shield Extender
2x Shield Hardners (or Invul Fields)
3x Shield Power Relay II
2x Ballistic Control System I (II's takes training time up to 8 days)
3x Large Core Defence Field Purgers.
It may not be the most optimal setup for a raven, but for now it'll do, i think. 20K shields with 50% EM, 69% Kinetic 74% Exp and 59% Thermal Resistance (with th eInvul fields) with 151DPS approx (with Ballistic Control II's)
No no no no no.
Use battleship-sized launchers. Cruise missiles, in this case. Not heavies.
[editline]15th June 2011[/editline]
And that won't tank enough for a L4. Raven isn't meant for passive.
Oh I will, Cruise Missle 1's kick the training time up to 12 days, the heavies are just in the mean time.
9 days if I get a friend to fit the Rigs for me.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30471981]So, in 4 Days (6 days if i use invuln fields instead of situational hardners) I could have a Raven, for PVE, while not fully Optimised, I can equip it fully, albeit maybe not optimally, but at least i can equip it and use ti while skills are training.
6x Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher
1x Tractor Beam
1x Drone Link Augmentor
4x Large Shield Extender
2x Shield Hardners (or Invul Fields)
3x Shield Power Relay II
2x Ballistic Control System I (II's takes training time up to 8 days)
3x Large Core Defence Field Purgers.
It may not be the most optimal setup for a raven, but for now it'll do, i think. 20K shields with 50% EM, 69% Kinetic 74% Exp and 59% Thermal Resistance (with th eInvul fields) with 151DPS approx (with Ballistic Control II's)[/QUOTE]
You're using cruiser sized weapons, didn't the god awful DPS give off warning signs?
Don't forget t2 drones either btw
Yeah I'm working on getting them too, 15 days in total to bring up the drones as well.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30472421]Yeah I'm working on getting them too, 15 days in total to bring up the drones as well.[/QUOTE]
Stick in what you are flying right now (Drake?).
Honestly, it's already a pain in the ass for me to do a Lvl 4 with the Drake. The damage is just so small it takes a really long time usually. And it's fully T2 fit and most of the related skills are on 4 or 5.
I don't even believe you'll be able to finish a proper Lvl 4 Mission with just 6 heavy launchers and t1 drones. The battleships repair might as well be higher than the damage you can output.
Can I make enough money mining with a Hulk in high sec to keep active by a PLEX card? So that's making around 380-400 million per month.
Over the summer I plan to restart playing Eve again and I am going to try the mining/industry side of things. I can't check right now but I think it will take me around 1 month to get the skills for a Hulk.
Depends what you mine, how long you mine for, how much you can collect per cycle, how well you can refine.
Unless you want to spend all your time mining, you're probably better looking to get a plex every 2-3 months via mining.
With my Hulk, In about 25 minutes I can mine and carry 210,000 Veldspar, turning into about 1.8mil. (having 4 giant cargo containers) Mining Kernite is a good option, whether to sell directly or refine, but its not super common and belts don't have enough to fill my hold, so Pyroxes or Scordite are other slightly more profitable ventures than just pure Veldspar.
[QUOTE=catch33;30473621]Can I make enough money mining with a Hulk in high sec to keep active by a PLEX card? So that's making around 380-400 million per month.
Over the summer I plan to restart playing Eve again and I am going to try the mining/industry side of things. I can't check right now but I think it will take me around 1 month to get the skills for a Hulk.[/QUOTE]
Mining isn't a very good way of making money from what I have experienced. Planetary Interaction is good.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30471981]So, in 4 Days (6 days if i use invuln fields instead of situational hardners) I could have a Raven, for PVE, while not fully Optimised, I can equip it fully, albeit maybe not optimally, but at least i can equip it and use ti while skills are training.
6x Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher
1x Tractor Beam
1x Drone Link Augmentor
4x Large Shield Extender
2x Shield Hardners (or Invul Fields)
3x Shield Power Relay II
2x Ballistic Control System I (II's takes training time up to 8 days)
3x Large Core Defence Field Purgers.
It may not be the most optimal setup for a raven, but for now it'll do, i think. 20K shields with 50% EM, 69% Kinetic 74% Exp and 59% Thermal Resistance (with th eInvul fields) with 151DPS approx (with Ballistic Control II's)[/QUOTE]
That's pretty good. It should tank L4s very well, and battleships will pop practically instantly from that insane DPS.
I bet it can even handle Pirate Invasion with full room aggro no problem. You know how to fit your ships, my good sir.
[editline]15th June 2011[/editline]
> for now it'll do i think
You think? This is why people who go full-blown industrial quit EVE when they decide to get into combat. They "think" they can handle it and get blown up to hell and back and quit the game when all of the precious ISK they earned from their five months of mining which they poured into a shiny new Raven gets blown up.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30471981]So, in 4 Days (6 days if i use invuln fields instead of situational hardners) I could have a Raven, for PVE, while not fully Optimised, I can equip it fully, albeit maybe not optimally, but at least i can equip it and use ti while skills are training.
6x Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher
1x Tractor Beam
1x Drone Link Augmentor
4x Large Shield Extender
2x Shield Hardners (or Invul Fields)
3x Shield Power Relay II
2x Ballistic Control System I (II's takes training time up to 8 days)
3x Large Core Defence Field Purgers.
It may not be the most optimal setup for a raven, but for now it'll do, i think. 20K shields with 50% EM, 69% Kinetic 74% Exp and 59% Thermal Resistance (with th eInvul fields) with 151DPS approx (with Ballistic Control II's)[/QUOTE]
Please don't try to passive tank battleships. Only two of them can do it well: the Rattlesnake and Scorpion Navy Issue, and that's because they have a shitload of mid slots.
[Raven, Starter]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Damage Control II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
[empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
The hardeners should be rat-specific, in this example they're set for Guristas. Don't try and omni-tank when you're just starting out, you will struggle with 90% of L4s. Some people don't like cap boosters, but it saves module slots that would otherwise go to cap mods, so it is worth it. I put those CCC rigs because launcher rigs make CPU too tight for a decent setup.
My advice, and I hope you're not too stubborn to heed it, is to wait until you can fly this setup. If you can't use this very basic Raven setup, L4s are going to be too difficult for you; so much so that you're better off doing something else while you wait for your training to finish.
Oh and, note the DCII. This mod often gets overlooked on mission setups, but for new L4 runners, you will be grateful to have this mod as you learn how to manage aggro. There WILL be times where you fuck up and take more damage than your tank can handle, and that DCII will be the difference between warping out in structure and warping out in a pod.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30471981]So, in 4 Days (6 days if i use invuln fields instead of situational hardners) I could have a Raven, for PVE, while not fully Optimised, I can equip it fully, albeit maybe not optimally, but at least i can equip it and use ti while skills are training.
6x Arbalest Heavy Missle Launcher
1x Tractor Beam
1x Drone Link Augmentor
4x Large Shield Extender
2x Shield Hardners (or Invul Fields)
3x Shield Power Relay II
2x Ballistic Control System I (II's takes training time up to 8 days)
3x Large Core Defence Field Purgers.
It may not be the most optimal setup for a raven, but for now it'll do, i think. 20K shields with 50% EM, 69% Kinetic 74% Exp and 59% Thermal Resistance (with th eInvul fields) with 151DPS approx (with Ballistic Control II's)[/QUOTE]
Was the 4 mil/hour mining just not to your tune? :shobon:
[QUOTE=haloguy234;30474552]That's pretty good. It should tank L4s very well, and battleships will pop practically instantly from that insane DPS.
I bet it can even handle Pirate Invasion with full room aggro no problem. You know how to fit your ships, my good sir.
[editline]15th June 2011[/editline]
> for now it'll do i think
You think? This is why people who go full-blown industrial quit EVE when they decide to get into combat. They "think" they can handle it and get blown up to hell and back and quit the game when all of the precious ISK they earned from their five months of mining which they poured into a shiny new Raven gets blown up.[/QUOTE]
Way to Sarcasm, notice how i said I'd be aiming to improve what i had planned, rather than say claiming it'd be the be all end all, way to be a dick sir. Especially given how utterly unconstructive you've been.
Obviously, no matter how I equip it, I'm not going to take it out and go solo instantly, I'll be taking along a partner or two in better ships to come and back up me just incase I need it.
You really seem to have something against Miners/Industrialist don't you? OR is it that you're just a twat towards those who have differing opinions of what to do in Eve?
And sanitarium, thanks for the advice, My only concern is that shields on your build are about 8k, which isn't much. Though I suppose I'd have to sacrifice something for the extra dps.
Training time for all that is about, 20 days.
[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;30475210]Was the 4 mil/hour mining just not to your tune? :shobon:[/QUOTE]
Yeah because UI've often stated mining is all I ever do. My god a lot ofEve Combat Pilots seem to suffer from such an elitist attitude.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30475520]
Yeah because UI've often stated mining is all I ever do. My god a lot ofEve Combat Pilots seem to suffer from such an elitist attitude.[/QUOTE]
'Eve Combat Pilot'???
Anyway
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30475520]And sanitarium, thanks for the advice, My only concern is that shields on your build are about 8k, which isn't much.[/quote]
That's because it's an active tank that's not what it depends on :)
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30475520]You really seem to have something against Miners/Industrialist don't you? OR is it that you're just a twat towards those who have differing opinions of what to do in Eve?[/quote]
I think that's because every couple of months a new, militant miner jumps into the thread, completely ignores everybody's advice on how mining is GOD AWFUL, mines away for months into a hulk and realises how wrong he's been and quits (Or they do what Halo detailed in his earlier post <:] )
It seems a few people in here have gotten it into their head that I'm a pure miner, sure, I ignored what people were saying about mining beause 1. they came across as dicks while saying it and 2. Mining is part of what I want to do in Eve, but not the entirety of it.
Inthree posts, you've come up with one and a bit helpful sentence. "That's because it's an active tank that's not what it depends on :)". and the comment about the T2 drones.
Scout, benny and Sanitarium on the other hand, have given out actual helpful information.
With my other fiting that I posted, I was generally going to stay on L3 missions and maybe take it on L4's with a friend or two, not run L4's solo right off the bat.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30475935]It seems a few people in here have gotten it into their head that I'm a pure miner, sure, I ignored what people were saying about mining beause 1. they came across as dicks while saying it and 2. Mining is part of what I want to do in Eve, but not the entirety of it.
Inthree posts, you've come up with one and a bit helpful sentence. "That's because it's an active tank that's not what it depends on :)". and the comment about the T2 drones.
Scout, benny and Sanitarium on the other hand, have given out actual helpful information.
With my other fiting that I posted, I was generally going to stay on L3 missions and maybe take it on L4's with a friend or two, not run L4's solo right off the bat.[/QUOTE]
Well, most people do their own research and figure simple things (like the difference between active tanking and passive tanking) out on their own early on, not a few months down the line hehe
All of this information and more is out there and easy to find, tens of EVE-orientated forums, two (albeit slightly outdated) wikis, even the crappy tutorials
As a fairly new player though, it can be rather daunting tracking down the information (and being able to know whether it's right or not) Asking someone who has actually had experience = better than spending time tracking down stuff not knowing what you look for.
Sure, but that's a great reason to join a corporation/alliance
I made 40 mil while belt ratting the other day because of a hauler spawn. It was sweet.
Oh look, Lulzsec again.
Half my fleet dropped. I also like how they claim they took everything offline themselves even though CCP is the one that takes down their network for security reasons.
[QUOTE=Wingedwizard;30478824]Half my fleet dropped. I also like how they claim they took everything offline themselves even though CCP is the one that takes down their network for security reasons.[/QUOTE]
Lulzsec said CCP took down everything.
[QUOTE=bassie12;30479174]Lulzsec said CCP took down everything.[/QUOTE]
Only after CCP said something.
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Fuck yes, 105 days of training!
What the fuck are you training for?
Mining Barges, then propulsion jamming?
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;30481599]What the fuck are you training for?
Mining Barges, then propulsion jamming?[/QUOTE]
Hulkageddon bait ships!
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30475935]With my other fiting that I posted, I was generally going to stay on L3 missions and maybe take it on L4's with a friend or two, not run L4's solo right off the bat.[/QUOTE]
If you're looking to run L3s, consider using a Drake. It can fit a nice passive tank and will do more dps than an HML Raven (cruise for L3s is a waste, as you're fighting BC and down, HML will do more damage to smaller ships).
[Drake, Starter Kit]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
10MN Afterburner II
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay, Scourge Heavy Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x5
This is the basic setup you should aim for, and it can be easily adjusted depending on your needs. If you're tanking the missions easily, you can drop an SPR for a BCS, a hardener for a target painter, etc. Conversely if you're having trouble you can drop the afterburner for another hardener. Also as a rule of thumb for most of my mission setups I fit a tractor beam to a utility high to grab mission objectives.
The nice thing about running L3s in a Drake, once you've got the hang of it and find that they're coming easy to you, you can use this ship to run L4s until you're ready to use something bigger (like the Raven).
Nice raven fit.
I dont get while people frown upon using Boosters on mission ships, permarunning setups are nice and lazy but also really boring and slow.
Got a maelstrom up to 850 Dps tank doing 719dps with arty.
Best I could do on a permarun setup (that isnt 1 billion isk) is 790 dps tank with 560 Dps.
Thats 30% more damage for a couple of booster charges.
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