14 Hours training to Mining Barge V. Then I will start to train Exhumer skill and then start on working towards ORCA.
[QUOTE=ejonkou;31091376]14 Hours training to Mining Barge V. Then I will start to train Exhumer skill and then start on working towards ORCA.[/QUOTE]
In before "Mining ships suck" or something along those lines.
[QUOTE=ejonkou;31091376]14 Hours training to Mining Barge V. Then I will start to train Exhumer skill and then start on working towards ORCA.[/QUOTE]
For those rating him funny, the Orca is actually a smart ship to have, as it can haul more than a normal industrial ship, and it has the unscannable 40K m3 corporate hangar for items of value.
[QUOTE=Forumaster;31091706]For those rating him funny, the Orca is actually a smart ship to have, as it can haul more than a normal industrial ship, and it has the unscannable 40K m3 corporate hangar for items of value.[/QUOTE]
I love my Orca. How else will I haul all my goodies though highsec?
I can vouch for the Orca. It's the only ship I still use from my mining days.
But mining still sucks, though.
Wow, if you lose a ship during one of these unscheduled downtimes you're pretty much 100% fucked:
[quote=GM]
Hi,
My apologies for the long wait; at the moment our queues are extremely busy and we try to get at each petition as fast as possible.
All of these temporary cans despawn over a downtime, both scheduled and unscheduled downtimes.
[/quote]
Alright I'm having trouble getting ISK, these level 1 agents just are not paying me enough. They used to give me up to 100,000~ a mission but now there just giving me fucking pocket change! How long until I will be able to do level 2 missions and also is there any good agents you guys can show me. I'm in Caldari space at the moment, near Jita.
[editline]13th July 2011[/editline]
Oh and Security or Courier missions please.
Well they did add the agent finder into the game now so you shouldn't be having a problem unless your standings are too low.
I can find agents just fine. The problem is I can't find agents that give me good rewards.
oh fuck you eve, you just had to get offline in the wrong minute.
[QUOTE=Professer Trall;31097854]I can find agents just fine. The problem is I can't find agents that give me good rewards.[/QUOTE]
Train Social skills.
Also mission in .5 security systems.
[QUOTE=TheForeigner;31087977][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1xedaZRoh8[/media][/QUOTE]
Funny you should post that, that episode was at almost the exact same part on tv when I watched it.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;31100579]Funny you should post that, that episode was at almost the exact same part on tv when I watched it.[/QUOTE]
ok but i meant it as "thats scout1, he's a dick"
I know what you meant.
I hate it when you run out of quick to train skills.
Drone Interfacing 5. Ugh.
Adv. Spaceship Command 5. Ugh.
Caldari Battleship 5. Ugh.
Shield and Energy Emission 5. Ugh.
Yeah, but when you're training those short skills you're always thinking, "Man I really need to train x skill(s) to 5 but they just take so damn long. I'll train y skill(s) first since it's/they're shorter." and then once you start them you think "Damn, if I'd just trained this a few days/weeks ago instead of y skill(s) I'd be done right now." At least that's how it is for me.
get +5 implants and train with speeeeeed.
Maybe once I do some more incursions and have the money for it.
it's worth the money, but only use them if you have jump clones of course.
My sub ran out a few hours before my bank account flatlined...
feck
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[QUOTE=PajamaSam;31116440][img]http://i.imgur.com/G1dOs.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
Wow okay, who took his time to actually do this shit?
who takes their time to do anything
[URL]http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28857[/URL]
45.6GB of footage and [B]over an hour of baiting this guy[/B]
EPIC WRITE-UP WILL BE INCOMING
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[editline]15th July 2011[/editline]
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Channel ID: -23371260
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
Listener: Treia Laguna
Session started: 2011.07.15 02:19:10
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*[ 2011.07.15 02:19:12 ] Treia Laguna > Hello!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:19:15 ] Treia Laguna > We look forward to the war!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:19:30 ] Stokar > Yeah, Right.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:19:40 ] Treia Laguna > We decced you. Trust me, we do :)
*[ 2011.07.15 02:20:09 ] Treia Laguna > I heard your CEO fits just as awesome as you do
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:00 ] Stokar > You can spend all the money you'd like towards whatever you do, But since you don't know how to cut your losses and move on, I'll make this simple for you: Come to PAKKONN
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:11 ] Treia Laguna > Gladly!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:30 ] Treia Laguna > In fact, if you give me a bit, I'll come right now!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:33 ] Stokar > *PAKKONEN, and we'll take it from there.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:49 ] Treia Laguna > Grabbing my ship right now babe
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:55 ] Treia Laguna > Why don't you just hold on a sec
*[ 2011.07.15 02:21:57 ] Stokar > You brings somer more of your Gerber food friends?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:22:03 ] Treia Laguna > I'll come alone, how's that
*[ 2011.07.15 02:22:15 ] Stokar > Do it!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:22:38 ] Treia Laguna > It takes time to warp, you know.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:28:58 ] Treia Laguna > on my way from jita
*[ 2011.07.15 02:29:00 ] Treia Laguna > meet you on the gate? :)
*[ 2011.07.15 02:33:04 ] Treia Laguna > Cat got your tongue?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:33:25 ] Treia Laguna > I'm in system.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:34:19 ] Treia Laguna > Hey loser, what's wrong?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:34:26 ] Treia Laguna > I'm in pakkonen right now and none of your alliance mates are even here
*[ 2011.07.15 02:34:29 ] Treia Laguna > You running scared already?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:35:32 ] Stokar > You have no patience.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:35:55 ] Treia Laguna > I had time to fly a freighter back to jita.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:35:56 ] Treia Laguna > You're slow.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:37:21 ] Stokar > ..It's all in your head...
*[ 2011.07.15 02:37:43 ] Treia Laguna > I'm sure it is stokar but the fact is that I'm waiting for you.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:39:58 ] Stokar > When you ge this asswhipping you've been so adamant about getting, you'll leave me alone, and join an addition 12-step program. YOU'LL NEED IT.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:40:33 ] Treia Laguna > lol i'm sure I will
*[ 2011.07.15 02:40:41 ] Treia Laguna > Still waiting on your scared ass!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:43:45 ] Stokar > If you're in the system, You'll see what you are going to have to deal with.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:43:54 ] Treia Laguna > /emote checks local
*[ 2011.07.15 02:43:57 ] Treia Laguna > Nope, still neuts.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:44:01 ] Treia Laguna > None of you guys in sight.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:44:09 ] Treia Laguna > Pakkonen Solar System
*[ 2011.07.15 02:44:36 ] Stokar > That's the place.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:44:40 ] Treia Laguna > Still waiting for you.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:44:55 ] Stokar > I know. I tend to have that effect on you.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:45:46 ] Treia Laguna > Given the amount of traffic in this system we're probably better off fighting in high-sec
*[ 2011.07.15 02:45:49 ] Stokar > And it's low-sec even!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:46:43 ] Treia Laguna > Yes - A large amount of traffic
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:03 ] Treia Laguna > Considering the gate is now camped, I imagine you don't want to figth there.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:11 ] Stokar > You lie. You're in ISIKANO!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:20 ] Treia Laguna > I just jumped back through
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:22 ] Treia Laguna > I am serious stokar-
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:26 ] Treia Laguna > ...it's camped, moron
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:29 ] Treia Laguna > I hope you die
*[ 2011.07.15 02:47:44 ] Treia Laguna > I'll be waiting for you on this side of the gate
*[ 2011.07.15 02:48:07 ] Treia Laguna > Please come back through and we can arrange a proper duel, I'll even let you drop the can
*[ 2011.07.15 02:48:16 ] Stokar > COME INTO PAKKONEN!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:48:37 ] Treia Laguna > Given the amount of shit sitting on the gate? I'd rather not.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:48:49 ] Treia Laguna > A 1v1 in high-sec.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:48:53 ] Treia Laguna > Seems more appropriate
*[ 2011.07.15 02:49:11 ] Treia Laguna > You drop the can, I steal from it, you engage me
*[ 2011.07.15 02:49:16 ] Treia Laguna > We can even do it in a safespot if you like
*[ 2011.07.15 02:49:27 ] Stokar > SO Now yoou're getting picky about the system...
*[ 2011.07.15 02:49:51 ] Treia Laguna > Well when 3 T2 cruisers show up on gate and GCC...
*[ 2011.07.15 02:50:01 ] Treia Laguna > You could say I'm a little picky, yes.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:50:53 ] Stokar > I told you at the very beginning of your convo that this is the sysrtem I'm in. You come here, and 'do what you think you can' of stfu and go home with tail under you. THAT'S your choices.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:51:08 ] Treia Laguna > Very well, where would you like to engage
*[ 2011.07.15 02:51:50 ] Treia Laguna > Notice that I am in system.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:53:02 ] Treia Laguna > Come on stokar, I'm in system.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:54:57 ] Treia Laguna > Come on stokar, where do you want to fight :)
*[ 2011.07.15 02:55:01 ] Stokar > I can't be that hard to find....
*[ 2011.07.15 02:55:36 ] Treia Laguna > There's almost a dozen stations in system, plus celestials
*[ 2011.07.15 02:55:40 ] Treia Laguna > Do you really want to run and hide?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:55:50 ] Stokar > I'm aligning from the Zainou biotech station.
*[ 2011.07.15 02:56:09 ] Treia Laguna > On my way ;)
*[ 2011.07.15 02:57:07 ] Stokar > You sure you want to do this?
*[ 2011.07.15 02:57:30 ] Treia Laguna > why hello there
*[ 2011.07.15 02:58:02 ] Treia Laguna > Why not bring the tengu? :)
*[ 2011.07.15 02:58:07 ] Treia Laguna > then we can both have fun
*[ 2011.07.15 02:58:41 ] Stokar > Looks like your friend changed his mind and left you. Smart guy!
*[ 2011.07.15 02:58:51 ] Treia Laguna > I don't even know who that guy was
*[ 2011.07.15 02:58:58 ] Treia Laguna > I came alone, like I said I would
*[ 2011.07.15 02:59:27 ] Stokar > Doesn't matter. You will initiate aggro or go home with tail under, little dog...
*[ 2011.07.15 02:59:46 ] Treia Laguna > You want me to GCC on a carrier?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:00:12 ] Treia Laguna > You jest
*[ 2011.07.15 03:00:23 ] Stokar > You can always choose to stfu like I've been telling you.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:01:09 ] Treia Laguna > lol how about you reship into a tengu
*[ 2011.07.15 03:01:27 ] Treia Laguna > T3 vs a BC
*[ 2011.07.15 03:01:28 ] Treia Laguna > come on
*[ 2011.07.15 03:01:32 ] Stokar > There's only 1 belt. I'm headed there.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:02:00 ] Stokar > belt 1
*[ 2011.07.15 03:02:14 ] Stokar > I see two actually
*[ 2011.07.15 03:02:34 ] Stokar > 3 belts!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:07:48 ] Stokar > Whatup, dog-wannabe?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:08:02 ] Treia Laguna > As if I wanted to be a failure like your new corp
*[ 2011.07.15 03:08:10 ] Stokar > Awfully quiet you are!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:10:23 ] Stokar > Just stay put. Because you now know YOU ARE NO MATCH FOR ME.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:11:45 ] Treia Laguna > oh really?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:12:07 ] Stokar > YEP
*[ 2011.07.15 03:14:23 ] Stokar > Oh shit! they followed your ass!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:14:58 ] Stokar > What's wrong, baby?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:15:31 ] Stokar > Ohhh...Nice myrm meat I'lll get tonight!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:16:04 ] Treia Laguna > oooh what's wrong stokar
*[ 2011.07.15 03:16:09 ] Treia Laguna > Your fighters no match for sentry guns?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:16:38 ] Stokar > I got more, and bpo's to build them as well.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:17:13 ] Stokar > But how much damage did it cost you?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:17:28 ] Treia Laguna > None I repped it
*[ 2011.07.15 03:17:53 ] Stokar > I know you did. But you still got your ass CANNED!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:18:06 ] Treia Laguna > You lost 2 fighters
*[ 2011.07.15 03:18:08 ] Treia Laguna > I lost uh... nothing!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:18:27 ] Stokar > And you lost the fight. you RAN!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:18:39 ] Treia Laguna > I'll still fight your tengu baby
*[ 2011.07.15 03:18:43 ] Treia Laguna > Too scared to take me?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:19:05 ] Stokar > You were on me at less than 2000m and got the whip[ping of a lifetime.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:19:39 ] Stokar > What's wrong with the carrier?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:19:57 ] Treia Laguna > well there's the fact that it's a carrier against a BC
*[ 2011.07.15 03:20:22 ] Stokar > Big mouth open letting flies in and saying nothing.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:20:57 ] Stokar > You wanted a fight so bad, you didn't do your homework.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:21:08 ] Treia Laguna > I did my homework and got 2 of your fighters popped
*[ 2011.07.15 03:21:13 ] Treia Laguna > That's already 40m my way
*[ 2011.07.15 03:21:38 ] Stokar > Now get if you get your as back to the belt, we can finish this tonight. make sure you've covered your clone...
*[ 2011.07.15 03:22:26 ] Stokar > See how local don't WANT YOUR SHIT HERE, EITHER. THEY WON'T HELP YOU.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:22:46 ] Treia Laguna > >implying a local full of pirates would help you
*[ 2011.07.15 03:22:47 ] Treia Laguna > lol
*[ 2011.07.15 03:23:23 ] Treia Laguna > I'm in belt baby
*[ 2011.07.15 03:24:37 ] Treia Laguna > And stokar runs again!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:25:17 ] Stokar > I'M NOT RUNNING
*[ 2011.07.15 03:25:29 ] Treia Laguna > Looks like it to me
*[ 2011.07.15 03:25:41 ] Treia Laguna > I'm in belt and stokar is gone
*[ 2011.07.15 03:25:44 ] Treia Laguna > That's running!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:29:27 ] Stokar > Come closer
*[ 2011.07.15 03:29:36 ] Treia Laguna > I'm coming :)
*[ 2011.07.15 03:35:35 ] Treia Laguna > You're flying away
*[ 2011.07.15 03:35:38 ] Treia Laguna > Running again??
*[ 2011.07.15 03:39:09 ] Stokar > WHIPPING THAT ASS!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:39:13 ] Treia Laguna > I'm keeping range :)
*[ 2011.07.15 03:39:30 ] Stokar > My shields are tickling me!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:41:23 ] Stokar > Your armor is half gone
*[ 2011.07.15 03:42:12 ] Treia Laguna > Looks fine to me!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:43:43 ] Treia Laguna > aww what's wrong
*[ 2011.07.15 03:43:45 ] Treia Laguna > your fighters can't ake me?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:48:36 ] Treia Laguna > Nice fighter losses!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:49:56 ] Stokar > But YOU'RE GOING TO DIE!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:50:01 ] Treia Laguna > There goes your fighters!
*[ 2011.07.15 03:51:22 ] Treia Laguna > Hey look staokar
*[ 2011.07.15 03:51:29 ] Treia Laguna > your fighters all died or ran awy
*[ 2011.07.15 03:51:54 ] Treia Laguna > What was that about me dying? :)
*[ 2011.07.15 03:51:59 ] Stokar > We're not done yet
*[ 2011.07.15 03:52:13 ] Stokar > You're moving away from me.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:52:20 ] Treia Laguna > On the contrary i'm moving towards you
*[ 2011.07.15 03:52:48 ] Stokar > No, you're not.
*[ 2011.07.15 03:52:57 ] Treia Laguna > Then why is our distance closing? :)
*[ 2011.07.15 03:54:49 ] Treia Laguna > Come on stokar
*[ 2011.07.15 03:54:51 ] Treia Laguna > what's wrong?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:57:55 ] Stokar > What's wrong?
*[ 2011.07.15 03:58:03 ] Treia Laguna > pop there goes a fighter
*[ 2011.07.15 04:02:10 ] Treia Laguna > Whoops needs to get cap charges
*[ 2011.07.15 04:02:13 ] Treia Laguna > stay there dear :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:03:14 ] Stokar > You ran again.
*[ 2011.07.15 04:03:42 ] Treia Laguna > I needed to get cap charges dearie
*[ 2011.07.15 04:03:45 ] Treia Laguna > Stay there I'll be right back :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:04:35 ] Treia Laguna > PS
*[ 2011.07.15 04:04:38 ] Treia Laguna > how's the fighters going?
*[ 2011.07.15 04:04:41 ] Treia Laguna > enjoy your 140m loss? :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:05:30 ] Treia Laguna > Where'd you go
*[ 2011.07.15 04:05:32 ] Treia Laguna > Ya running?
*[ 2011.07.15 04:06:26 ] Treia Laguna > Come on stokar what's wrong
*[ 2011.07.15 04:06:30 ] Treia Laguna > I pop all your drones and you run away?
*[ 2011.07.15 04:07:12 ] Treia Laguna > Come on stokar!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:07:14 ] Treia Laguna > I'm still here to fight!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:07:20 ] Treia Laguna > You're running!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:09:30 ] Stokar > Coming back right now.
*[ 2011.07.15 04:12:12 ] Stokar > Come closer. I like to see those hammerheads.
*[ 2011.07.15 04:12:24 ] Treia Laguna > You can see them just fine when I can re-target you ;)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:12:42 ] Stokar > Don't run!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:12:49 ] Treia Laguna > I'm keeping range :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:12:59 ] Stokar > Why?
*[ 2011.07.15 04:13:19 ] Treia Laguna > Because this way I can win the fight :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:16:41 ] Treia Laguna > BTW
*[ 2011.07.15 04:16:45 ] Treia Laguna > Say hello to mmy friends
*[ 2011.07.15 04:16:50 ] Treia Laguna > :)
*[ 2011.07.15 04:17:05 ] Stokar > Yeah?
*[ 2011.07.15 04:17:49 ] Treia Laguna > Oh yeah.
*[ 2011.07.15 04:18:30 ] Treia Laguna > Hey!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:18:34 ] Treia Laguna > This should be a nice KM
*[ 2011.07.15 04:19:14 ] Stokar > You didn't do it, But rest assured, Another carrier, coming up!
*[ 2011.07.15 04:19:58 ] Treia Laguna > oh I look forward to it
*[ 2011.07.15 04:19:59 ] Treia Laguna > Call me
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Notice start and end dates
[editline]15th July 2011[/editline]
[url]http://www.fatal-ascension.com/killboard/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28858[/url]
[editline]15th July 2011[/editline]
Also my myrm took out seven fighters [b]by itself[/b]
I remember Stokar.
Write up of the full thing is going up at [url]http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1551292[/url]
[QUOTE=scout1;31125920]blammo![/QUOTE]
A fine killé
[QUOTE=scout1;31125920]snip[/QUOTE]
That Fit.... good thing it's dead now.
Thanks for quoting the whole thing
/corp mate goes afk
[22:24:49] Grimmjam > wasnt expecting that huh bitch
[22:27:25] Grimmjam > awwww
[22:27:40] Grimmjam > you scared.....so big and bad...now you play the docking game
[22:28:02] Grimmjam > come out and take the loss like a man
[22:30:59] Ferahgo > Derp derp
[22:31:40] Grimmjam > come on jayka
[22:31:54] Grimmjam > your "good" friends aren't online there isn't much you can do
[22:32:09] Grimmjam > just come on out and take this defeat so we can laugh at you
[22:32:30] Grimmjam > and lick your little carebear dock game playing tears
[22:33:16] Grimmjam > must hurt being called a carebear doesnt it?
[22:33:24] Grimmjam > if the shoe fits huh?
[22:33:42] Sara Seraph > Hey Grimm-person o/
[22:34:05] Sara Seraph > How are you today?
[22:34:57] Grimmjam > hello seraph im doing good
[22:35:23] Grimmjam > trying to get this little carebear out of it's cave
[22:35:40] Sara Seraph > o?
[22:35:51] Grimmjam > cute cuddly carebear
[22:36:34] porkcow > meow
[22:37:54] Sara Seraph Have you folks ever considered... if you get rid of us carebears... then that means no shinnies for you. ;)
[22:38:22] Grimmjam > not true sera
[22:38:43] Grimmjam > the no carebears would just get it themselves
[22:38:46] Grimmjam > non*
[22:39:28] Sara Seraph > okie dokie... ya'll I am outta here for the day. Don't blow up to much stuff. ;)
[22:39:41] Sara Seraph > night! \o
[22:40:29] Grimmjam > o/
[22:42:32] Grimmjam > poor jayka
[22:42:42] Grimmjam > you calling up some friends right now?
[22:42:52] Grimmjam > we are gonna kill them too you know
[22:43:39] Grimmjam > these are the actions of a High end pvper such as yourself.....you dont even deserve the spot that you hold
[22:44:13] Grimmjam > docking up....come on out and take it like a man, the 500 or so that you have killed did it, why cant you...such a loser.
[22:46:27] Grimmjam > look at your avatar there with her stupid face....I can just see your stupid looking avatar calling your corp mates out here to try to rescue you
[22:51:10] Grimmjam > Jesus jayka....where the backup *looks at clock* they scared?
[22:51:44] Grimmjam > come on stupid face atleast talk to us.....or are you mad that the tables have turned so harshley
[22:52:41] Grimmjam > you are literally being camped in our base...weren't you the one camping us last time? while we were AFK!
[22:54:43] Grimmjam > stupid face
[22:54:48] Grimmjam > oh we will get you
[22:55:34] Grimmjam > i dont care if four of your friends come, I wont even target them and defend myself....im gonna wait for you to think it's safe and undock while is fighting me, then Im gonna rape you like there is no tomorrow
[22:57:57] Grimmjam > sad little jayka
[23:02:15] Grimmjam > there should be a war negotiations skill, so we could pay the station to eject you every time you dock, and if you get to advanced war negotiations we could have them keep you out for 5 minutes
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