• The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim V5: But there is one they fear - Dragon porn!
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[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33041339]The Valve team released beta videos of Half Life ² featuring scripted content that was later scrapped out of the game ! THEY ARE THE WORST DEVS EVER AND HL² IS JUST A PIECE OF CRAP[/QUOTE] My retail boxed version of Half-Life 2 has nothing but beta art and screenshots on the back of the case.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33041195]This video isn't exactly the best argument you would come up with. This was supposed to happen in the game, but it was scrapped away because of the lack of time they had to make the whole thing work at an entire game's scale. A Valve developer said it best - most devs always experiment things in some of their games, so they can reuse it on other titles later on. If something can't be added in one title, then the idea and most of the stuff that was programed is kept, so they don't have to start all over again when they have actual time to include the said feature. My point is, RadiantAI was scrapped away from Oblivion but they didn't trash it away, they had time to fix it and the first thing they probably did was making a final, working version so it could be added in Skyrim.[/QUOTE] Todd was talking about it like it was a sure thing, already in done and dusted, the other staff lied a lot in this way too. There is a difference between promising something is gonna be in the game and then it ends up being scrapped because deadlines dictate that there isn't enough time to implement it, and falsifying footage of supposed implemented features and acting like it's a sure thing up until the point when they can't lie any more because the game is playable. So even if they didn't lie, which they did, they demonstrated that their claims can't really be trusted and you should wait until the game is actually out before passing judgment on it, which means you can't use a developer walkthrough as evidence that the game is gonna be A-Okay.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33041339]The Valve team released beta videos of Half Life ² featuring scripted content that was later scrapped out of the game ! THEY ARE THE WORST DEVS EVER AND HL² IS JUST A PIECE OF CRAP[/QUOTE]They never intended for that to be in the game, it was to show off stuff.
[QUOTE=spekter;33041350]My retail boxed version of Half-Life 2 has nothing but beta art and screenshots on the back of the case.[/QUOTE] So does mine and I never actually noticed until you said it.
[QUOTE=Rigged237;33039898]Watched both videos and I'm pretty disappointed. The graphics look horrible, but it was the console version so maybe there's still hope. Animation and movement looked floaty like in Oblivion. Combat looks like Oblivion but with added slowmo fatalities like in Fallout 3. The fatality animations were poor and the enemies the character fought slid around like they were blocks of ice. There's a bit in the second video where a guy floats up a flight of stairs that at least got me laughing. Kinda sad how 23 minutes can completely erase any excitement I had for the game. It p. much looks like Oblivion 1.5[/QUOTE] I'm not sure what you were expecting...? From the get go previews have been saying and the developers have been saying that the gameplay does and WILL feel similar to Oblivion, except with a lot of gameplay additions and tweaks. The game world has a level of other-wordlyness and uniqueness that Morrowind had, but the gameplay was always very much like Oblivion, except refined. Honestly I'm fine with that. Mechanics wise, a lot of what was wrong with Oblivion had little to do with the actual movement or animations. It was the fact that everywhere was the same and there was no sense in reward for exploring, it was the fact that everything scaled to your level, etc. All of which are pretty much fixed. The combat and such wasn't a major downfall for Oblivion - it was useable, and really fun especially with mods. Sure it was rough around the edges, but Skyrim's here to essentually smoothen the roughness down a little. Not completely replace it. I thought everyone by now had known this.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041322]yeah i mean morrowind was so well written with the 5 unvoiced rumors that every single npc in the game spewed and the quests/narratives which for the most part were strings of unapolagetically 'go here, kill x' missions[/QUOTE] and Oblivion wasn't? Except in Oblivion you have a compass that points you to x and a fast travel to get you there instantly. Also, everyone had the same voice. I'd rather read the same line of text than hear it read by the same whiny gay elf voice over and over again. checkmate :cool:
Yep, no one plays Elder Scrolls for the combat. It's always been terrible. The style of Skyrim looks great, I care more about that than the graphics.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;33041207]here's something that apparently proves that post morrowind bethesda are evil lying bastards, better not proofread it first lol[/QUOTE] yeah i mean morrowind was so well written with the 5 unvoiced rumors that every single npc in the game spewed and the quests/narratives which for the most part were strings of unapolagetically 'go here, kill x' missions [quote] [MrSmileyFaceDude] "Resurrected NPCs are not themselves. They're basically mindless automata who will follow you around and fight for you." [/quote] how is this an example of them lying [quote][MrSmileyFaceDude] "Oblivion is infinitely superior to Morrowind in every conceivable way."[/quote] true enough apart from the main quest [quote][MrSmileyFaceDude] "Oblivion is an extremely rich, complex game with a tremendous amount of depth, compelling quest lines, interesting NPC characters, a huge variety of player character types and intricate character progression set in a huge, varied game world. combat, magic, and AI have all been dramatically improved to enhance gameplay while still providing a balance between player skill and character skill, because after all, Oblivion is a role playing game. Yes, some things that were present in Morrowind are not in Oblivion -- but a lot more has been added than removed, and the goal has always been to make a game that is both more accessible to first-time RPG players, and is also challenging and rewarding for more experienced players."[/quote] there were fucking tons of interesting characters in oblivion [quote][Pete] "You know if you have a 360 it will look as good as it can possibly look. If you have the latest, greatest PC with the best recipe card, etc., it will probably look the same as the Xbox 360 version."[/quote] this is also true, they weren't gonna double the texture resolution or something for the pc over the 360, too much extra work [quote][MrSmileyFaceDude] "I absolutely guarantee that they'll be able to make mods that will completely blow away anything we saw for Morrowind, using the new Construction Set."[/quote] that happened as well honestly from what I've seen morrowind fanboys are the biggest retards on the planet
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;33041363]They never intended for that to be in the game, it was to show off stuff.[/QUOTE] Actually a lot of stuff was supposed to be in the game and ended up being scrapped away/put in the following episodes. The OICW was simply removed, you were supposed to go up to the Borealis in the original game, Eli Vance is a combination of two different beta characters, and a whole part of the game including riots and an Air Exchanger that the Combine used to basically induce drugs in air was removed. It was due to a leak, yeah, but it still was here before. Following Rigged237's logic, Valve is the worst devteam ever for scrapping away promising content.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041418] honestly from what I've seen morrowind fanboys are the biggest retards on the planet[/QUOTE] agreed daggerfall was the best
[QUOTE=Wootman;33041032]Part 1 works fine[/QUOTE] neither of them work for me, they both just give me that error
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33041280]DO NOT GET IT FOR XBOX 360. You're going to regret it a lot. Barely any dev support, no mods, no fixes, no custom settings.[/QUOTE] I'm a console gamer, always have been. I got a sold 2+ years of enjoyment out of Oblivion and to this day I still revisit it on occasion. I do envy PC master race mods and shit but I'm still happy with the game itself. Usually all the huge problems are patched by Beth
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041418]yeah i mean morrowind was so well written with the 5 unvoiced rumors that every single npc in the game spewed and the quests/narratives which for the most part were strings of unapolagetically 'go here, kill x' missions how is this an example of them lying true enough apart from the main quest there were fucking tons of interesting characters in oblivion this is also true, they weren't gonna double the texture resolution or something for the pc over the 360, too much extra work that happened as well honestly from what I've seen morrowind fanboys are the biggest retards on the planet[/QUOTE]is there an equivalent of NMA for morrowind anywhere?
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041451]neither of them work for me, they both just give me that error[/QUOTE] Refreshing every minute or so seem to do the trick, downloaded part 1 fine so far
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33041425]Actually a lot of stuff was supposed to be in the game and ended up being scrapped away/put in the following episodes. The OICW was simply removed, you were supposed to go up to the Borealis in the original game, Eli Vance is a combination of two different beta characters, and a whole part of the game including riots and an Air Exchanger that the Combine used to basically induce drugs in air was removed. It was due to a leak, yeah, but it still was here before. Following Rigged237's logic, Valve is the worst devteam ever for scrapping away promising content.[/QUOTE] promising =/= promised
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041418]there were fucking tons of interesting characters in oblivion[/QUOTE] lol I'm sorry but how can you say this with a straight face? The only character I can remember from Oblivion is Martin and that's because I had to escort his lame ass all over the place and watch him do all the cool stuff like turn into a dragon. I can name tons of awesome Morrowind characters and maybe I will because I love that game so goddamn much
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;33041469]is there an equivalent of NMA for morrowind anywhere?[/QUOTE] /v/ probably
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;33041469]is there an equivalent of NMA for morrowind anywhere?[/QUOTE] not that I know of, they seem to just hang around forums, especially threads about oblivion, just to interject to self-righteously whine about something that they changed
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041418]honestly from what I've seen morrowind fanboys are the biggest retards on the planet[/QUOTE] Your logic for that statement seems to purely be "opinions other than mine are wrong" though. [B]EDIT:[/B] I'm not saying there aren't any retarded Morrowind fanboys, but you seem to present it as if someone is retarded just for liking Morrowind in the first place. [url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=MSP5HALA[/url] Here's another upload of the tutorial by the way, in one video file. For if the other ones get taken down again or something. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=benzi2k7;33041469]is there an equivalent of NMA for morrowind anywhere?[/QUOTE] /v/. Official forums are mostly either Daggerfall fanboys or Oblivion fanboys.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041418]there were fucking tons of interesting characters in oblivion[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/d2KTa.jpg[/img] Don't mind me just being the only interesting character in all of Oblivion.
[QUOTE=Rigged237;33041490]lol I'm sorry but how can you say this with a straight face? The only character I can remember from Oblivion is Martin and that's because I had to escort his lame ass all over the place and watch him do all the cool stuff like turn into a dragon. [/QUOTE] glarthir vincente valtieri ocheeva the other argonian from the DB as well as the orc lucien lachance modryn oreyn mankar camoran agarmir the woman who obviously sleeps with the sailors who stay in her inn the guy in the DB with a grudge agains lachance etc I didn't say morrowind had no interesting characters, I said oblivion had interesting characters. Stop being so defensive.
[QUOTE=Riutet;33041557][img]http://i.imgur.com/d2KTa.jpg[/img] Don't mind me just being the only interesting character in all of Oblivion.[/QUOTE] Okay I'll give you that, but he's still no Divayth Fyr
While there were few interesting characters in oblivion, lets face it, there were no interesting characters in morrowind, daggerfall or arena... other than characters of interesting outward appearance like the dwarf guy or vivec or almalexia. Im sure whatever skyrim will offer will be an improvement.
[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;33041446]agreed daggerfall was the best[/QUOTE] but it doesn't even have tessellation or any of the other DX11 features
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041578]glarthir vincente valtieri ocheeva modryn oreyn mankar camoran agarmir the woman who obviously sleeps with the sailors who stay in her inn[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pV7s11tpzko[/media]
[QUOTE=Riutet;33041557]What relevance does Morrowind have?[/QUOTE] as in morrowind fanboys seem to have some sort of complex that makes them unable to stop whining about how shit oblivion was compared to morrowind, statistically if someone has taken the effort to composite a post of reasons oblivion sucks they're probably a morowind fanboy
[QUOTE=hypno-toad;33041588]While there were few interesting characters in oblivion, lets face it, there were no interesting characters in morrowind, daggerfall or arena... other than characters of interesting outward appearance like the dwarf guy or vivec or almalexia. Im sure whatever skyrim will offer will be an improvement.[/QUOTE] Everyone seems to think otherwise with all this...'discussion'.
[QUOTE=Generic.Monk;33041578]glarthir vincente valtieri ocheeva the other argonian from the DB as well as the orc lucien lachance modryn oreyn mankar camoran agarmir the woman who obviously sleeps with the sailors who stay in her inn the guy in the DB with a grudge agains lachance etc I didn't say morrowind had no interesting characters, I said oblivion had interesting characters. Stop being so defensive.[/QUOTE] come on man you can't even name some of those people. I only recognize oreyn because he gives you that awesome helmet from Morrowind (the superior game).
[QUOTE=Riutet;33041613][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pV7s11tpzko[/media][/QUOTE] [h2]cry me a river[/h2]
The whole "Morrowind vs. Oblivion" thing is extremely subjective and I don't really know why everyone still argues about it. They both had their fair share of massive flaws that dragged the games down a fuckton, and they both had a lot of very good parts that made them so critically acclaimed to begin with. And contrary to popular belief, both Oblivion and Morrowind had terrible animations and writing that varied from godawful to pretty decent for a video game to loads of other things, so it boils down to which one is subjectively better rather than objectively. And for once I have to agree with Generic.Monk, how the fuck was even half of that list lies. A lot of it is sensationalized, yeah, but just about every developer ever has done that to hype their game up more, and most sensible people take that kind of thing with a grain of salt regarding any game at all. Most of the stuff on that list is true, and yeah, the graphics were pretty much the same on consoles and on PC because the consoles in question were still pretty damn recent, so there was no point in making better textures for PC at the time.
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