The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim V5: But there is one they fear - Dragon porn!

[Gilboron]

[QUOTE=kevlar jens;33163750]they do though.
to some degree.
especially in an rpg
where immersing yourself in fictional world is a big part of the game
which i imagine being really hard in Skyrim because it looks almost as shite as Oblivion.
nothing casts a shadow wtf.
terrible[/QUOTE]
This just in: game immersion is about aligning the player's motivations with the character's motivations, not about making object x cast shadows.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;33163797]okay first of all i don't expect it to be a big open world crysis. i do however expect it to be better than what i've seen. right now it looks like a 2007 game, and I'm basing that on the official gameplay videos as well.

second, if you don't give a shit about the graphics, why have you been defending them for the last 2 pages? also "we"? speak for yourself, a lot of people give a shit about graphics.

you keep emphasising that the graphics are going to be amazingly superior on the pc, but really doubt it. the lighting and shadows are still gonna be the same, and the animations are still gonna be bad, only the textures will be higher res. if the graphics on the pc are going to be so much more amazing, they would have released screenshots and videos from the pc version instead.[/QUOTE]

No, it doesn't look like a 2007 game. How do you think it does? I'm honestly looking at all the same images you are, and I see them as hi-res and quality in most situations. Maybe I'm dumb, but I model shit for fun on the side, and seeing this stuff? I definitely appreciate the quality.

[Flubadoo]

You can't say that Skyrim doesn't look good without punching yourself in the face first.

[dai]

[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;33163797]okay first of all i don't expect it to be a big open world crysis. i do however expect it to be better than what i've seen. right now it looks like a 2007 game, and I'm basing that on the official gameplay videos as well.

second, if you don't give a shit about the graphics, why have you been defending them for the last 2 pages? also "we"? speak for yourself, a lot of people give a shit about graphics.

you keep emphasising that the graphics are going to be amazingly superior on the pc, but really doubt it. the lighting and shadows are still gonna be the same, and the animations are still gonna be bad, only the textures will be higher res. if the graphics on the pc are going to be so much more amazing, they would have released screenshots and videos from the pc version instead.[/QUOTE]

the differences in potential processing power are massive enough to make a difference in light handling, not to mention max polycount and as you mentioned higher res textures, which would increase the fidelity of associated bump and normal mapping which just makes everything more awesome. Until we get tech specs and real screenshot comparisons of release-content and not some early alpha builds like some of the videos out there, I don't think there's room to make decisions.

[buttspoonce]

[QUOTE=daijitsu;33163870]the differences in potential processing power are massive enough to make a difference in light handling, not to mention max polycount and as you mentioned higher res textures, which would increase the fidelity of associated bump and normal mapping which just makes everything more awesome. Until we get tech specs and real screenshot comparisons of release-content and not some early alpha builds like some of the videos out there, I don't think there's room to make decisions.[/QUOTE]

even if that does happen, I don't see why the developers wouldn't release any pc footage. wouldn't you want to display your game at it's highest graphical potential?

i'm not too confident that pc version will look that much better, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it did.

[Zondac]

So a guy at my school got Skyrim already this friday. Messup with his order. I am jealous. He posted pictures on his facebook as well, so I know it's not fake.

It's for the 360 as well, so he was able to play it this weekend :<

[Murdoco]

[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;33163902]even if that does happen, I don't see why the developers wouldn't release any pc footage. wouldn't you want to display your game in at it's highest graphical potential?

i'm not too confident that pc version will look that much better, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it did.[/QUOTE]

One problem with displaying a game at it's highest graphical potential is that most of your customers in this day and age are playing on a console. So if you give them this amazing and beautiful looking footage and screenshots then give them a low textured version for the console they will be annoyed and feel somewhat betrayed.

Now I personally think all games that are for both PC and Consoles should have comparison screenshots and videos before the game is even out just to prove that the game is going to be better on one but also warn people that it may not look like that on their computer or console.

I know this no real excuse but I still think the game looks nice.

[dot.rich]

I'm going to enjoy becoming a thief and reloading my save constantly until every guard in town is naked of items.

[dai]

if it makes anyone feel better I'll install it on my beefy computer and get some good screenshots at its best settings on launch day

[Flubadoo]

[QUOTE=BuDSpOoNce;33163902]even if that does happen, I don't see why the developers wouldn't release any pc footage. wouldn't you want to display your game at it's highest graphical potential?

i'm not too confident that pc version will look that much better, but I will be pleasantly surprised if it did.[/QUOTE]

The only game I've ever seen that has demoed footage on a PC so far is BF3, and the problem with better footage than consoles is that some crazy-ass guy might sue Bethesda for false advertising.

[Aurain]

[QUOTE=Atlascore;33163755]
You don't need good graphics to be immersed in something anyway, people get immersed in books for fucks sake.[/QUOTE]

Comparing books to video games on a presentation front is beyond flawed. Games are heavily visual and present their image of their story to you. Books present you the story, and you're meant to visualise everything yourself, with your interpretation of the story. Graphics are important in games for immersion because it's a failing when games aren't doing that well and it's a distraction.

I think Skyrim looks pretty good, and I'm lucky in that I'm not so focused on graphics anyway. Many of my favourite games being SNES era. Contrary to what others have said, you're not retarded for thinking graphics matter, it's opinion based for starters and if that person values a high quality visual experience, and they feel Skyrim fails on that front, they're fully entitled to think so. Regardless of whether your or I disagree.

[hypno-toad]

[QUOTE=Zondac;33163914]So a guy at my school got Skyrim already this friday. Messup with his order. I am jealous. He posted pictures on his facebook as well, so I know it's not fake.

It's for the 360 as well, so he was able to play it this weekend :<[/QUOTE]

3 AM home invasion, just sayin'

Or just pose as his friend for the weekend to play Skyrim.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;33163984]3 AM home invasion, just sayin'[/QUOTE]

I don't have a 360. If I did, I'd kill the guy and loot his game.

[Rusty100]

All I'm seeing here are people grasping at straws using any possible excuse to keep convincing themselves that the game could be good. Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful. It looks almost identical to Oblivion in almost every way, sure some things may be slightly improved, but not enough to warrent all the years between the games and just how utterly awful the things were in Oblivion. Saying something is better than that is no difficult feat.

The game looks very, very bad. Which doesn't really matter, except for the fact people using any possible excuse to justify a lot of the bad shit we've seen. I think it's time we all just accept the facts, Bethesda are by and large incompetent devs with a history of false promises and shoddy games.

[Zondac]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991]All I'm seeing here are people grasping at straws using any possible excuse to keep convincing themselves that the game could be good. Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful. It looks almost identical to Oblivion in almost every way, sure some things may be slightly improved, but not enough to warrent all the years between the games and just how utterly awful the things were in Oblivion. Saying something is better than that is no difficult feat.

The game looks very, very bad. Which doesn't really matter, except for the fact people using any possible excuse to justify a lot of the bad shit we've seen. I think it's time we all just accept the facts, Bethesda are by and large incompetent devs with a history of false promises and shoddy games.[/QUOTE]

>implying oblivion was awful at all.

I was awed at the beauty of the nature of Oblivion several times. More about style than HI RESS TEXTURES, really

[spii0]

[QUOTE=Flubadoo;33163952]The only game I've ever seen that has demoed footage on a PC so far is BF3, and the problem with better footage than consoles is that some crazy-ass guy might sue Bethesda for false advertising.[/QUOTE]

Not if they put white text in the corner the screen saying "Actual PC gameplay" or something similar.

[Stizzles]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991]Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful.[/QUOTE]
What?
I think that largely depends on who's watching, because everything I've seen looks great to me, and I've seen leaked footage and streams and shit, I think it looks amazing.

[imadaman]

Dammit Rusty I was just starting to think again that maybe Skyrim might be preorderable.

[hypno-toad]

[QUOTE=Aurain;33163970]Comparing books to video games on a presentation front is beyond flawed. Games are heavily visual and present their image of their story to you. Books present you the story, and you're meant to visualise everything yourself, with your interpretation of the story. Graphics are important in games for immersion because it's a failing when games aren't doing that well and it's a distraction.
[/QUOTE]

Eh, the best I can get with my imagination is a 1600x1200 picture if I disable HDR and AA.

Looks like shit

[editline]7th November 2011[/editline]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991] Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful.
[/QUOTE]

By comparison, what games today would be considered "not awful"

So far from media, to me Skyrim looks like the only game this year that isn't going to be a big letdown and financial regret. (cept maybe SR3*)

[Flubadoo]

5 days before release people were partying and celebrating and planning to call in sick.

4 days before release people start pointing out some oddities

3 days before release people start having serious doubts about the game.

1 day before release we will all cancel our preorders.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991]All I'm seeing here are people grasping at straws using any possible excuse to keep convincing themselves that the game could be good. Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful. It looks almost identical to Oblivion in almost every way, sure some things may be slightly improved, but not enough to warrent all the years between the games and just how utterly awful the things were in Oblivion. Saying something is better than that is no difficult feat.

The game looks very, very bad. Which doesn't really matter, except for the fact people using any possible excuse to justify a lot of the bad shit we've seen. I think it's time we all just accept the facts, Bethesda are by and large incompetent devs with a history of false promises and shoddy games.[/QUOTE]

Uh, no. 1) it's highly subjective 2) none of it actually is "low quality" by 2011 video game standards.

[Flubadoo]

Lets all pretend that it was 5 days ago and not ruin our experience by immediately noticing small things in skyrim.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=imadaman;33164014]Dammit Rusty I was just starting to think again that maybe Skyrim might be preorderable.[/QUOTE]

Him being a mod has little to do with his credibility on judging video games

explain how being a mod has anything to do with it budsponce

[Sirdrone536]

I shall just try to change the subject from it.

So out of all the player characters which ones are still alive and kicking, I know the arena and daggerfall ones (Dead by now) were mentioned in Morrowind in the battlespire (tower thing) and that the Nerevarine went to another land as mentioned in Oblivion so I assume that the Hero of Kvatch just wondered around as Martin states he would be the scribe of the new elder scrolls or like most of the characters buggered off and become the Madgod.

So The Nerevarine and Champion are still kicking around

[Flubadoo]

I never really hated MW2 until I was influenced by forums.

Maybe I should stay away...

[spii0]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991]All I'm seeing here are people grasping at straws using any possible excuse to keep convincing themselves that the game could be good. Every single piece of media so far indicates it is going to be really awful. It looks almost identical to Oblivion in almost every way, sure some things may be slightly improved, but not enough to warrent all the years between the games and just how utterly awful the things were in Oblivion. Saying something is better than that is no difficult feat.

The game looks very, very bad. Which doesn't really matter, except for the fact people using any possible excuse to justify a lot of the bad shit we've seen. I think it's time we all just accept the facts, Bethesda are by and large incompetent devs with a history of false promises and shoddy games.[/QUOTE]

You'd have better luck converting the pope to satanism than you would of convincing people ITT how bad skyrim actually looks

It's either:
a) It looks slightly better than oblivion actually!!!
or
b) Graphics don't make the game! books don't have graphics!!

[Joel]

[QUOTE=Rusty100;33163991]I think it's time we all just accept the [i]facts[/i], Bethesda are by and large incompetent devs with a history of false promises and shoddy games.[/QUOTE]

Woweee, your opinion is certainly not fact.
Oblivion and Fallout 3 are great games, both receiving universal acclaim.
Each has a Metacritic score over 90/100

But I'm sure that is just universal stupidity, because what matters more than your own biased opinion, [i]right?[/i]

[Rusty100]

[QUOTE=Zondac;33164006]>implying oblivion was awful at all.

I was awed at the beauty of the nature of Oblivion several times. More about style than HI RESS TEXTURES, really[/QUOTE]
I was never awed by oblivion and it had nothing to do with whether or not it had high res textures.
Stop implying I care so much about graphics, I enjoy plenty of games with some dated or subpar graphics. Human Revolution had quite strange, dated graphics. But it was still one of the best games I've ever played. Oblivion it just really poorly done, if it was tangible it would hobble around held together in stickytape.

[Flubadoo]

I leave you all with one thing:

[img]http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/5318/skyrimcomparison02.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0XFEX.jpg[/img]
[img]http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8783/skyrimcomparison01.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.skyrimportal.com/media/blogs/skyrim/skyrim04.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c209/dev_akm/oblivion/oto/oto_vanillaLOD.jpg[/img]

Yes, so Skyrim is a carbon-copy of Oblivion.

[Gas_Snake101]

Wish they would implement the euphoria engine or some shit.