Volibear + Ionic spark, cannot wait for this to happen in normal.
Also looking to be a really great patch, love the changes, and i really think they did a good job with Jax, atlest that's how it looks right now.
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Jarvan is a boss solo-top. Cass and Kat didn't know what hit them mid-game.
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You will never have 1 stack on the first hit, the drop off for the armour reduction is at 113 armour, at which point lw removes 45.2 and continues to remove more
A 2860g item countering a 700g item is absolutely hilarious, frozen heart costs less than a black cleaver, chain vest completely negates all armour reduction from bc because of how it's calculated, any more and LW is more worth it, amazing.
Xin needs defense not attack speed and damage, he's a melee ad that has no escapes and needs to be tanky to even get near someone to do damage
But that's fine I mean you also said tryndamere was a bad champion
You automatically get a stack on the first hit.
And it's not made just to counter it. Does the 700g negate all damage? No. By your logic, chain vest counters IE, TBC, LW, and every single DPS item. Chain vest reduces damage by a ridiculous amount.
"chain vest completely negates all armour reduction from bc because of how it's calculated, any more and LW is more worth it, "
Look at the graph again
look at the 100 armor mark
look
I don't care if he has a chain vest, you're supposed to look at total armor.
Chain vest "counters" any dps item by dropping the effective dps by a massive %.
" removes 45.2 and continues to remove more"
Have you considered the fact that TBC adds attack speed as well as 15 more damage than LW?
And that it debuffs, giving your allies more damage?
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Yes, LW would be better if you somehow managed to only fire off one shot per teamfight, and not get more than 3 on a single target.
But how likely is that to happen?
The armour reduction applies after the damage, in order to benefit from the passive at all you need to hit them twice
And even if it wasn't, it would still have much more dps than a LW.
I'm completely bored with this, black cleaver is a terrible item and using a 12.5k item build to boost its stats so it takes 250 armour to do more damage with last whisper is ridiculous
Here's something to add to that build, both champions now have boots but the lw guy gets zerkers with his extra gold, he now has higher movement speed and almost the same attack speed, the drop off point shoots down to about 120-150 with full stacks on bc because of the evened out attack speeds
now make them 1v1, and they both have a frozen heart, the attack speed is almost irrelevant now and the last whisper guy does more damage
~using builds to make items better~
Why would you get either of those items before t2 boots? If we're gonna make a realistic situation, you can't omit shit like that.
And generally speaking, it would be preferable to get either of the items as one of the final items, since in the graph it was a full build comparison, so it would come after PD, IE, and BT and Zerks and all that good stuff.
Why the hell would you get a frozen heart on a carry?
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And I already said before that if you didn't have the money for TBC and you needed some quick damage, just go for LW.
TBC makes better use of an item slot, that's all.
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You see, if we were being realistic, we would compare a double pot full build LW carry vs a no pot TBC full build carry.
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And TBC fucking shreds enemy AD carries into tiny little bits because it'll reduce their armor down to roughly 50, and you can see that there's semi-exponential dps increase as armor comes below 100.
i dont even care anymore, all i can get from all this is that ad carries are dull and include graphs and ill just stick to killing people and being called an op fucknoob on leblanc :<
played jungle yi, died bot cause nobody moved an inch there and they pretty much left me to 1v2, then they called me bad, then everybody finished at around 3/3 both on my team and theirs except me with 10/2. :-)
You should seriously stop theorycrafting so much on how you maximize your build and improve in other aspects of the game. It's just not worth it, and even when you're wrong, it makes it worse, the first point you made for a long time ago was why pro players didn't use it in their build, instead they all go LW.
I already answered that question, it's because there's AAAALWAYS someone with an aegis, that puts people up in high armor already, where most of the players has armor runes, because they're needed on a lot of heroes, also there's ALWAYS someone with a Frozen Heart, which makes burst damage more important than attack speed sustain damage, atleast it makes it a lot better, than AS.
There's just not much to say about it, BC is a decent item in normal games, because it really is a lot better for stomping in my personal experience, but only on certain carry heroes, and the only one i would ever use it on is Vayne, only because of her W.
In pro games carries also usually get forced to attack the bruisers, unless they have specific support champs, ie. janna that can keep them away, and they need items to deal with them, and be able to get them away, so they can focus other weaker targets, which makes LW even better.
The meta is currently a lot about bursting down certain heroes, which is why LW beats BC by a big amount, because it brings more burst than BC, that's pretty much all there is to it, and it also increases any skills you might have (caitlyn, sivir Q as an example) which is widespread AoE damage, compared to BC which only adds a little bit more of damage, instead of the whopping 40% arp.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;34202767]Just downloaded this game after hating it previously but now I am taking a liking to it, it actually has more depth than I first thought.
What do you guys think of zilean?[/QUOTE]
Why did you hate it?
[QUOTE=DjPebbles;34205637]You should seriously stop theorycrafting so much on how you maximize your build and improve in other aspects of the game. It's just not worth it, and even when you're wrong, it makes it worse, the first point you made for a long time ago was why pro players didn't use it in their build, instead they all go LW.
I already answered that question, it's because there's AAAALWAYS someone with an aegis, that puts people up in high armor already, where most of the players has armor runes, because they're needed on a lot of heroes, also there's ALWAYS someone with a Frozen Heart, which makes burst damage more important than attack speed sustain damage, atleast it makes it a lot better, than AS.
There's just not much to say about it, BC is a decent item in normal games, because it really is a lot better for stomping in my personal experience, but only on certain carry heroes, and the only one i would ever use it on is Vayne, only because of her W.
In pro games carries also usually get forced to attack the bruisers, unless they have specific support champs, ie. janna that can keep them away, and they need items to deal with them, and be able to get them away, so they can focus other weaker targets, which makes LW even better.
The meta is currently a lot about bursting down certain heroes, which is why LW beats BC by a big amount, because it brings more burst than BC, that's pretty much all there is to it, and it also increases any skills you might have (caitlyn, sivir Q as an example) which is widespread AoE damage, compared to BC which only adds a little bit more of damage, instead of the whopping 40% arp.[/QUOTE]
Bumping this because it got the page pooper, and i cba listening to your BC crap :v
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;34205644]Why did you hate it?[/QUOTE]
It was a few years ago near when it first came out, seemed really cheap to me, I never gave it much of a go.
How come everyone cries that champions are OP but theres never a mention of poppy?
She has super mobility, high burst and negates 50% of burst damage.
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;34205906]How come everyone cries that champions are OP but theres never a mention of poppy?
She has super mobility, high burst and negates 50% of burst damage.[/QUOTE]
Riot said long, long time ago that they won't nerf her because of the current meta.
Something about farming and no aoe ability or some shit like that.
poppy so hard to farm with
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Haha, kicked enemy ahri right into skarner's ulti
Zilean is fun but i'm still trying to figure out a build.
He uses so much damn mana.
RoA might help cause of the catalyst, or maybe a Tear?
Probably just RoA, since zilean can't really spam.
Also, I fucking hate how in teamfights I go completely derp and lose track of my champion and I have no idea what I'm doing
but its okay because im lee sin
Dem times when Zil had 1.1 AP ratio on bombs
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And this is why I no longer play ranked, You get shit heads that facecheck a bush with their whole team even know it's just been CVed. Once you're in hell you're in it forever. I'll stick to my normal where I have more wins than loses and don't get idiots in my game.
On my match history my only win is with evelynn.
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And this is why I no longer play ranked, You get shit heads that facecheck a bush with their whole team even know it's just been CVed. Once you're in hell you're in it forever. I'll stick to my normal where I have more wins than loses and don't get idiots in my game.[/QUOTE]
you get wriggles and GP5? Why.
[QUOTE=ventnor;34206121]you get wriggles and GP5? Why.[/QUOTE]
You've never seen someone play scanner have you?
[QUOTE=ventnor;34206121]you get wriggles and GP5? Why.[/QUOTE]
I turn Heart of Gold into Randuin's Omen. I see nothing wrong with Wriggles?
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;34206133]You've never seen someone play scanner have you?[/QUOTE]
Well, he's somewhat right, his build is bad.
[QUOTE=Pat.Lithium;34206133]You've never seen someone play scanner have you?[/QUOTE]
I play scanner all the time, but the point being you don't get wriggles and GP5 items on any jungler, wriggles is an early/mid game item while you need to rush GP5 items for them to be really effective.
Dem times when everyone bought Wriggle's when playing a jungler
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