Call of Duty v9 - Still not as shit as BF3! - Games

Some guy just got 40 kills with the Striker and basically won the game for his team. He almost got a M.O.A.B. Yeah, I can see why someone would say shotguns are useless now.

They arnt useless, they are useable but they are seriously unreliable. More so with the Spas 12 and KSG 12. Sure, you have the other 3 Auto/Semi-Auto shotguns which give more room for error and are much more reliable. But i dont find them as fun for some reason.

Striker and 1887 are fine stock, the rest are fine with range/damage proficiencies. The worst part is grinding that much for them. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] Well except the USAS. I have no idea how to use that gun and don't see anyone else using it at all.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;33714119]Striker and 1887 are fine stock, the rest are fine with range/damage proficiencies. The worst part is grinding that much for them. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] Well except the USAS. I have no idea how to use that gun and don't see anyone else using it at all.[/QUOTE] The only shotgun I think is bad is the SPAS-12. I've golded the AA-12 before, and almost maxed out the rest. I think they're all pretty fine.

[QUOTE=Grim Joker;33709367]Really? An attachment you got at, like, Level 26 of using a gun was the only thing that made it useable? What the fuck did you do to unlock the extended mags? Capture flags and just never get a kill?[/QUOTE] In the case of the KSG, I spammed 2 to 4 shells a person, same with all the other shotguns, maybe 1 less shell involved. The problem with the shotguns is that they don't have enough range and in the case of the KSG, no range nor enough pellets to deliver the damage. Its like always shooting any gun through a wall into a person. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Rammaster;33709486]Shotguns don't really need it to be great. Just change tactics and stick to close quarters. [editline]13th December 2011[/editline] I've been busy due to finals coming up and my shotgun guide has been being held up. Watch how I play in this video to use shotguns effectively. [video=youtube;DTTAx9jlniQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTTAx9jlniQ[/video][/QUOTE] The problem isn't changing the tactics. The problem is that the shotguns can be outclassed at any ranges, and in the KSG case for example, you can't even get a kill at the best range to do so in 1 shell. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Grim Joker;33709704]Did you not see my post last page? Once I went 20-4 in Team Deathmatch with the KSG-12, and I've topped the leaderboards at least once with pretty much every shotgun. They're honestly not hard to use, just be smart and pick your battles.[/QUOTE] So did I. I killed 4 or 5 guys in a row without being touched. Why? They were filled with lag, they seemed like they were just looking at me the whole time I was killing their buddies. The exact time I got extended mags and damage proficiency on the KSG, which was at the same time, I made a 20ish/10- score with it, and kept on doing so with it, missing a 1 hit kill at only slightly longer ranges, longshot shotgun ranges. Now? I hit a guy who's passing right by me, and he still manages to kill me. Basically went back to the damn thing it was before. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Grim Joker;33709774]That doesn't matter. He said it's useless. If I can top the scoreboard with it, it's not useless. Every single weapon in this game is useful and you can do well with it. I mean fuck, I've won FFA matches just using the P99. Anyone can do well in at least one match with any gun. You just need to adjust your playstyle and play smart.[/QUOTE] FFA? That's what I used to get attachments for everything in mw2. I'd use EVERYTHING, from OP to UP weapons and they'd work no matter how shitty they were. [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Highwind017;33714042]They arnt useless, they are useable but they are seriously unreliable. More so with the Spas 12 and KSG 12. Sure, you have the other 3 Auto/Semi-Auto shotguns which give more room for error and are much more reliable. But i dont find them as fun for some reason.[/QUOTE] One has the range of a knife, the other has a slow reload and small mag and also a shitty range. Every damn shotgun has a very bad range. Why can't they make them work like Counter Strike's shotguns? [editline]14th December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Grim Joker;33714259]The only shotgun I think is bad is the SPAS-12. I've golded the AA-12 before, and almost maxed out the rest. I think they're all pretty fine.[/QUOTE] Wat :v: Its the other way around for me.

I find the KSG no different from the Spas 12: They both kinda suck without range.

[QUOTE=PyroCraz3d;33709477]I seriously doubt you've ever used the shotguns before. The only usable one was the striker, the rest were pretty garbage. Range/damage and extended mags were the best combo for any shotgun, but they removed the extended mags "glitch", which wasn't even bad/.[/QUOTE] I've golded every one of them at one prestige or another. I've personally come to the conclusion that the people that don't like the shotguns are the people too used to their Scar-L, FMg9s or Type95 to even comprehend a strategy that doesn't allow you to kill at any range.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;33715252]I've golded every one of them at one prestige or another. I've personally come to the conclusion that the people that don't like the shotguns are the people too used to their Scar-L, FMg9s or Type95 to even comprehend a strategy that doesn't allow you to kill at any range.[/QUOTE] The AK74U, Stakeout, and ballistic knives were my favorite weapons in Black Ops, and the Spas 12 was my favorite weapon in MW2. Shotguns are at a severe disadvantage in this game until you get range/damage on them, where they become average. So no, it's not quite a problem with strategy. I play as a close quarters rusher in every shooter I play.

The problem with the KSG is that it fires 6 pellets. Far too little. What where the CSS shotguns like anyway?

I'm currently 3rd prestige level 69. I think I am going to stay 3rd prestige because I'm tired of losing my stuff. The emblem is pretty cool and I don't really like 4th or 5th. I'd rather stay at 6 though.

[QUOTE=Highwind017;33715743]The problem with the KSG is that it fires 6 pellets. Far too little. What where the CSS shotguns like anyway?[/QUOTE] They had infinite range just like every other gun, except the pellets spreaded and did like 1 dmg at very long ranges. In short, they didn't disappear half way through a 5 meter corridor. You could even snipe people with them, as long as you had time and ammo to do that...

[QUOTE=Rammaster;33713664]I do get killed sometimes when I have my tactical insertion but it quickly spawns me in close-quarters rather than trying to get there, which is where shotguns will give you the biggest disadvantage. I'd rather spawn in the ideal place for shotguns.[/QUOTE] True, the few times they didn't wait for you to respawn or remove the tactical insertion, you did get them quickly.

[QUOTE=dass;33717327]They had [B]infinite range[/B] just like every other gun, except the pellets spreaded and did like [B]1 dmg at very long ranges.[/B][/QUOTE] You just contradicted yourself.

[QUOTE=Rhodry;33717375]You just contradicted yourself.[/QUOTE] No not really. At close ranges where all the pellets would hit it would do quite a bit of damage, often one or two shotting an opponent. At longer ranges the pellets would spread out meaning that only one of the 8 would, in addition to the damage falloff at range (it was never 0). It has infinite range in the sense that the projectiles could still hit you regardless of how far you were away.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;33715252]I've golded every one of them at one prestige or another. I've personally come to the conclusion that the people that don't like the shotguns are the people too used to their Scar-L, FMg9s or Type95 to even comprehend a strategy that doesn't allow you to kill at any range.[/QUOTE] You have no idea of what you are talking about then.

[QUOTE=kaskade700;33715252]I've golded every one of them at one prestige or another. I've personally come to the conclusion that the people that don't like the shotguns are the people too used to their Scar-L, FMg9s or Type95 to even comprehend a strategy that doesn't allow you to kill at any range.[/QUOTE] I love the range on the striker.... can shoot people from miles away, well it seems my friend does a lot.

I tried the KSG for a bit and couldn't kill people at a close range with 2+ shots. Maybe I was doing something wrong but that doesn't seem right.

It seems the only thing talked about in this thread as of right now is shotguns. What about sniper rifles? I love the .50 cal and MSR. I rarely snipe though.

[QUOTE=jbthekid;33718242]It seems the only thing talked about in this thread as of right now is shotguns. What about sniper rifles? I love the .50 cal and MSR. I rarely snipe though.[/QUOTE] Because shotguns were and still are the new snipers.

[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;33718268]Because shotguns were and still are the new snipers.[/QUOTE] ...not really. They [I]were[/I], now they're not.

[QUOTE=jbthekid;33718242]It seems the only thing talked about in this thread as of right now is shotguns. What about sniper rifles? I love the .50 cal and MSR. I rarely snipe though.[/QUOTE] The only "sniping" i've seen is the "Kool" kids quick scoping with said snipers.

[QUOTE=Highwind017;33718402]The only "sniping" i've seen is the "Kool" kids quick scoping with said snipers.[/QUOTE] I hate those people. I like sniping in Modern Warfare 3. But I can't stand the snipers that do 360 no scope 1337 trickshots across the map then you hear a 9 year old screaming "Ohhhhh!!!". I like sitting somewhere with an MSR and taking the enemy out.

[QUOTE=jbthekid;33718356]...not really. They [I]were[/I], now they're not.[/QUOTE] The striker seems pretty good at shooting from distance and that's a shotgun.

[QUOTE=jbthekid;33718242]It seems the only thing talked about in this thread as of right now is shotguns. What about sniper rifles? I love the .50 cal and MSR. I rarely snipe though.[/QUOTE] L118 and MSR are my favourites right now. Still haven't tried the .50 cal nor the dragunov. Also sort of like the RSASS for its sound, and the AS50 only tried for a bit.

[QUOTE=dass;33718657]L118 and MSR are my favourites right now. Still haven't tried the .50 cal nor the dragunov. Also sort of like the RSASS for its sound, and the AS50 only tried for a bit.[/QUOTE] The AS50's scope is rather small. Compared to others, at least.

[QUOTE=jbthekid;33718442]I hate those people. I like sniping in Modern Warfare 3. But I can't stand the snipers that do 360 no scope 1337 trickshots across the map then you hear a 9 year old screaming "Ohhhhh!!!". I like sitting somewhere with an MSR and taking the enemy out.[/QUOTE] I pretty much hate Quick Scoping with a burning passion. The only time i'll use a sniper is when i have an ACOG attached to it. And that would be without quickdraw. I just cant really use a scope to save myself.

I picked up a sniper once, did poorly, dropped it. Never really warmed up to them in CoD. I like to keep moving.

Anyone else not able to play due to steam friends being offline :/?

i like how the so called "update" did nothing to nerf akimbo fmg's

Ok, heres one last example of how much the KSG sucks now. I fell on top of a guy, shot him right in the gut, right next to him, as if I was pushing the muzzle of the shotgun against his stomach, fired a round from the KSG with the damage proficiency, and he didn't die.