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[QUOTE=Gate;34264689]i think kunkka is just annoying, and only bots seems to know where and when to use the ulti.[/QUOTE] Sniper/Zeus bots, good god.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;34264409]Sven is pubstomper 2000 Once you get Assault Cuirass, MoM and BKB, you start dishing out some serious damage[/QUOTE] Guess I got lucky by choosing Sven just out of the blue then. I'll try Juggernaut later. I have to try lots heroes just incase I don't get to play my favourite in more serious matches. :eng101: [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SnowCanary;34264762]5/7/5 Axe represent. [IMG]http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa113/flygirafda3/waht/saddowns.gif[/IMG] You guys shut me down before I could farm any late game items, I was stuck with my core.[/QUOTE] Next time don't be so ballsy :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=titopei;34264837]Sniper/Zeus bots, good god.[/QUOTE] that bastards "i will survive the gank!! :D" ->sees in buff bar: assasinate dammit!

Jugg is fun to use, but he's a bit harder of a hero. I suggest trying SK actually, since he's a tank and has his ult which fully regenerates health and mana upon death (so long as it's ready & you have 140 mana to spend). Also Snow did pretty well that round. I got ganked by him bad while soloing bot to farm when I thought the Dire were distracted. When I got Demon Edge though the battle changed hands (combined with Tinker stopping outta no where on the sidelanes).

[QUOTE=Reimu;34265153]Jugg is fun to use, but he's a bit harder of a hero. I suggest trying SK actually, since he's a tank and has his ult which fully regenerates health and mana upon death (so long as it's ready & you have 140 mana to spend). Also Snow did pretty well that round. I got ganked by him bad while soloing bot to farm when I thought the Dire were distracted. When I got Demon Edge though the battle changed hands (combined with Tinker stopping outta no where on the sidelanes).[/QUOTE] Jugg is spin2win.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34264441] Because he needs levels and some farm. It's not that he's a BAD sidelaner, it's that there are heroes that do it so much better. CM, shadow shaman, and even AA come to mind.[/QUOTE] He needs levels and farm? What the hell does Lion need more than boots and maybe a bracer? CM doesn't have a single spell that is a real stun, she slows & tangles, although the slow is multiple target, so is Lion's stun. Shadow Shaman requires a channel to hold the hero in place and can only disable 2 heroes at once while Lion can stun an ENTIRE TEAM. AA stun isn't even reliable, you counter it with boots.

[QUOTE=pvt.meh;34265414]He needs levels and farm? What the hell does Lion need more than boots and maybe a bracer? CM doesn't have a single spell that is a real stun, she slows & tangles, although the slow is multiple target, so is Lion's stun. Shadow Shaman requires a channel to hold the hero in place and can only disable 2 heroes at once while Lion can stun an ENTIRE TEAM. AA stun isn't even reliable, you counter it with boots.[/QUOTE] CM is 90% effective at level 2. That's why she's so valuable. Lion needs to max his stun and hex and needs his ult before he's better than CM at much of anything.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34261371]Spiritbreaker, bloodseeker, axe, kunkka, juggernaut, ursa, razor, zues, silencer, and in most cases lion.[/QUOTE] LOL LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you actually think spirit breaker is useless? silencer useless???????? razor useless??????????????????????????????????????????????? holy fuck i knew you were bad but i didn't know you were THIS bad lmao. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] as people keep posting, i'm figuring out who's bad and who's decent.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34265797]LOL LOL LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL you actually think spirit breaker is useless? silencer useless???????? razor useless??????????????????????????????????????????????? holy fuck i knew you were bad but i didn't know you were THIS bad lmao.[/QUOTE] Debate me then. Why are these heroes not useless?

here's how silencer is not useless: mass silence here's how razor is not useless: steals damage from carry. here's how bara is not useless: able to pub stomp effectively if the player isn't shit axe: effective pub jungle ursa: another effective pub jungle lion: easiest support in the game that's able to effectively fuck over carries bloodseeker: effective pub stomper yurnero: pub stomps, good players knows how to use his ward effectively zeus: decent spammable harass with relatively low cooldowns kunkka: wins teamfights with his ult [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] now please tell me oh master of dota how these heroes are useless and bad

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34265929]here's how silencer is not useless: mass silence here's how razor is not useless: steals damage from carry. here's how bara is not useless: able to pub stomp effectively if the player isn't shit axe: effective pub jungle ursa: another effective pub jungle lion: easiest support in the game that's able to effectively fuck over carries bloodseeker: effective pub stomper yurnero: pub stomps, good players knows how to use his ward effectively zeus: decent spammable harass with relatively low cooldowns kunkka: wins teamfights with his ult [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] now please tell me oh master of dota how these heroes are useless and bad[/QUOTE] I don't understand you. I try to be civil and debate and point out my perspective, but you continualy act like a douche and try to insult people. What is your problem?

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;34264164]1. who is he and why should i care what he thinks 2. im offering an alternative to wasting an ult so his pudge can waste a hook[/QUOTE] purge is one of the most respected players of dota as he's what you might say a "theorycrafter". he's also a (former i think?) professional. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=melonmonkey;34265982]I don't understand you. I try to be civil and debate and point out my perspective, but you continualy act like a douche and try to insult people. What is your problem?[/QUOTE] i am debating? i am being civil? stop being a baby and retort as to why you think those heroes are useless.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34265771]CM is 90% effective at level 2. That's why she's so valuable. Lion needs to max his stun and hex and needs his ult before he's better than CM at much of anything.[/QUOTE] She's barely worth calling effective when she doesn't stop the enemies spell casting, they can turn around and punch her straight in the face with a nuke, or blink away. Level 2 Lion has 2.27 seconds of near complete disable with Impale and Hex.

Finally found this thread.... Was moving it really necessary?

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34265990]purge is one of the most respected players of dota as he's what you might say a "theorycrafter". he's also a (former i think?) professional. [editline]18th January 2012[/editline] i am debating? i am being civil? stop being a baby and retort as to why you think those heroes are useless.[/QUOTE] I am in a game, hold on. And calling me "master of dota" is being a douche. This is not normal, this is not civil, and frankly this is not acceptable.

Kunka is one legit motherfucker. [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=melonmonkey;34266124]I am in a game, hold on. And calling me "master of dota" is being a douche. This is not normal, this is not civil, and frankly this is not acceptable.[/QUOTE] Classic Beardy

[QUOTE=Dwragon82997;34266206]Kunka is one legit motherfucker.[/QUOTE] Jungle Kunkka on the other hand... [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] Also, finally understand why balanar is banned very quickly. I guess I'm not much of a fan of tower diving, but damn, escaped with 20 hp when tower diving and getting 2 kills.

here's how silencer is not useless: mass silence Not a good enough reason to pick him up. The rest of his skills are not up to snuff. He's too soft and doesn't bring enough to a teamfight. here's how razor is not useless: steals damage from carry. Only if he can stay in range, but the carry can just run out, back in, and suddenly you have a hero with poor damage, poor stat growth, and no damage scaling when you could have had an actual carry. here's how bara is not useless: able to pub stomp effectively if the player isn't shit axe: effective pub jungle Not sure what this means. Axe brings almost nothing to a team that is playing seriously. ursa: another effective pub jungle Still not sure what this means. lion: easiest support in the game that's able to effectively fuck over carries Sure, if he gets mid. bloodseeker: effective pub stomper I guess I wasn't very clear. When I'm talking useful or useless, i'm reffering to groups of some skill. yurnero: pub stomps, good players knows how to use his ward effectively Again with the pub stomp thing, and good players don't pick juggernaut in serious play. zeus: decent spammable harass with relatively low cooldowns Yes, but why would you want him mid rather than NS, AA, pugna, or any of the other strong mids? Pugna does more damage with nether ward while bringing more uitility to the team. He's not "useless" per say, just comparatively so. kunkka: wins teamfights with his ult Sure, if he can land it which is terrifyingly difficult against players with a brain.

I know this isn't HoN but I play vindicator (ie carbon copy silencer) and he's super strong early game, solo lane v 2, I play passively until I get level 2 mana burn, then I dominate the lane as they'll have no mana or hp in a couple mins. Then come the free kills. He drops off a bit mid-game, but he's fine once you get push stick and treads. Late game he's a monster, supports melt in two-four hits, tankier ones will be dead in just a little bit longer. Not to mention he completely counters wombo combo initiators (Tiny, Earthshaker, Puck, Lion, Lina...) [editline]17th January 2012[/editline] All you do is talk about it on paper. Dota/Hon/Lol, things never work out like they do on paper. Are you fucking kidding me about Axe? Kunkka. Oh easy dodge ult, not with slows and other things in fights happening. Same thing about Razor, fucking slow him with Sange or something Zeus is such a strong ganker it's not even funny. OMG SRS PLAY I'M SO PRO

[quote]here's how silencer is not useless: mass silence Not a good enough reason to pick him up. The rest of his skills are not up to snuff. He's too soft and doesn't bring enough to a teamfight.[/quote] lol? silencer can plenty handle himself with a push stick midgame and all of his skills are amazing. if you know how to orb walk you can easily melt people with low hp and high armor thanks to his autocast that does pure damage. his curse is able to kill stragglers that think they can get away with low hp. his ult is 5 seconds of silence and add that with his e that's effectively an 8 second silence for the whole team. [quote]bloodseeker: effective pub stomper I guess I wasn't very clear. When I'm talking useful or useless, i'm reffering to groups of some skill.[/quote] so i guess you're a pro and you only play with other pro's right? [quote]zeus: decent spammable harass with relatively low cooldowns Yes, but why would you want him mid rather than NS, AA, pugna, or any of the other strong mids? Pugna does more damage with nether ward while bringing more uitility to the team. He's not "useless" per say, just comparatively so.[/quote] i never said i want him mid??????? [quote]kunkka: wins teamfights with his ult Sure, if he can land it which is terrifyingly difficult against players with a brain.[/quote] not that hard to land if you summon it as your team is initiating/they're initiating. [quote]Not sure what this means. Axe brings almost nothing to a team that is playing seriously. Still not sure what this means. I guess I wasn't very clear. When I'm talking useful or useless, i'm reffering to groups of some skill. Again with the pub stomp thing, and good players don't pick juggernaut in serious play. [/quote] tell me again what team you play for and what league's you've played in?

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34267179]lol? silencer can plenty handle himself with a push stick midgame and all of his skills are amazing. if you know how to orb walk you can easily melt people with low hp and high armor thanks to his autocast that does pure damage. his curse is able to kill stragglers that think they can get away with low hp. his ult is 5 seconds of silence and add that with his e that's effectively an 8 second silence for the whole team. so i guess you're a pro and you only play with other pro's right? i never said i want him mid??????? not that hard to land if you summon it as your team is initiating/they're initiating. tell me again what team you play for and what league's you've played in?[/QUOTE] You don't have to be a pro to understand the logic...

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34261371]Spiritbreaker, bloodseeker, axe, [B]kunkka[/B], [B]juggernaut[/B], ursa, [B]razor[/B], [B]zues[/B], silencer, and in most cases [B]lion[/B].[/QUOTE] AHAHAHAHAHAHA oh god wow, i do hope you are not serious.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34267272]You don't have to be a pro to understand the logic...[/QUOTE] except there is no "logic" behind your reasoning's as to why these heroes are bad because you keep thinking of that "professional level" mindset like an idiot.

melonmonkey stop trolling please

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34267290]except there is no "logic" behind your reasoning's as to why these heroes are bad because you keep thinking of that "professional level" mindset like an idiot.[/QUOTE] I explained my logic on all of them except for ursa.

I can agree with Beardy with Silencer, Bloodseeker, and Zeus. The Silence ult wins team fights if they are not auto-attackers, especially against people like Tinker, Pudge, Lion, Enigma, Venomancer, and anyone with a stun, snare, or a slow (Which is practically every hero). Bloodseeker able to silence others with the sacrifice of giving them more damage is very good for ganking, and in team fight situations he is a clutch hero that can kill everything. If you nuke him first and he manages to get a kill, you're all screwed. As for Zeus, once again massive DPS behind. If he builds shit tons of Mana/Mana Regen, he has the ability to continuously pump out damage if unchecked. Many put him mid because of the massive amount he does with his Lightning Bolt, and of course Thundergod's Wrath.

LOGIC HAHAHAHA

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34266964]here's how silencer is not useless: mass silence Not a good enough reason to pick him up. The rest of his skills are not up to snuff. He's too soft and doesn't bring enough to a teamfight. here's how razor is not useless: steals damage from carry. Only if he can stay in range, but the carry can just run out, back in, and suddenly you have a hero with poor damage, poor stat growth, and no damage scaling when you could have had an actual carry. here's how bara is not useless: able to pub stomp effectively if the player isn't shit axe: effective pub jungle Not sure what this means. Axe brings almost nothing to a team that is playing seriously. ursa: another effective pub jungle Still not sure what this means. lion: easiest support in the game that's able to effectively fuck over carries Sure, if he gets mid. bloodseeker: effective pub stomper I guess I wasn't very clear. When I'm talking useful or useless, i'm reffering to groups of some skill. yurnero: pub stomps, good players knows how to use his ward effectively Again with the pub stomp thing, and good players don't pick juggernaut in serious play. zeus: decent spammable harass with relatively low cooldowns Yes, but why would you want him mid rather than NS, AA, pugna, or any of the other strong mids? Pugna does more damage with nether ward while bringing more uitility to the team. He's not "useless" per say, just comparatively so. kunkka: wins teamfights with his ult Sure, if he can land it which is terrifyingly difficult against players with a brain.[/QUOTE] oh dear god, the dumb, it hurts.

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34267314]I explained my logic on all of them except for ursa.[/QUOTE] more than half your responses were, "WHAT'S A PUB?"

[QUOTE=melonmonkey;34261371]Spiritbreaker, bloodseeker, [b]axe[/b], kunkka, juggernaut, ursa, razor, zues, silencer, and in most cases lion.[/QUOTE] Seriously? Axe definitely has his uses and is an amazing tank, ambusher and jungler.