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Just played a game where it took pudge 30 minutes to buy the normal boots. He bought bottle, wand, and nothing else and just kept dying whenever he was about to have enough money. He never ganked once either..I don't even know anymore.

(this is from Reddit) Apparently people have been randoming unreleased heroes. [t]http://i.imgur.com/46LhI.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/lv0AT.jpg[/t] It breaks the game though.

[QUOTE=CowThing;34319134](this is from Reddit) Apparently people have been randoming unreleased heroes. [t]http://i.imgur.com/46LhI.jpg[/t][t]http://i.imgur.com/lv0AT.jpg[/t] It breaks the game though.[/QUOTE] It seems possible. The update said "enabled" invoker, not added, so the other heroes are probably just disabled from selection.

woops [img]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/631862291327856336/68D24081E30ED55E29B7DD72C1B1030553E1CF46/[/img]

They fixed it quickly afterwards.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;34299608]don't worry invoker's choice of skills was bigger before icefrog decided to remove about 9 spells.[/QUOTE] I think it was what, 34 before?

[QUOTE=Kendra;34321754]I think it was what, 34 before?[/QUOTE] 28

[QUOTE=Kendra;34321754]I think it was what, 34 before?[/QUOTE] 27, position of elements mattered (QWE and QEW for example gave different skills) ha, i remember back when he was released in dota my friend who was playing it back then was all like "IT'S FUKCING CRAZY"

Maybe they add the missing spells later or something? Like how they disabled Tiny's tree because of animations

[QUOTE=Dr.Scrake;34321905]Maybe they add the missing spells later or something? Like how they disabled Tiny's tree because of animations[/QUOTE] I think having a guy with 27 spells, all scalling off 3 base element-skills and giving him only 2 spells avalible at a time without replacing one with a different one was : 1. Too much compared to other guys 2. Too hard to balance properly 3. Too exploitable. (You like Tornade + EMP? Well imagine 12 more of comboes like that) Sometimes balancing a normal hero can be problem, and they usually have 4 abilities, sometimes +2 or variety of that. Invoker has 3 manageable passives, 10 skills he can cook and 2 of them can be "pre-cooked". I know Dota is the game for having very difficult heroes which take ages to master and do pay off, but 27 vs 4 is just overwhelming, both in terms of design AND gameplay value. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] I'd rather Icefrog left him with those 10 spells, which is a lot both in terms of quantity and fun, and used 17 other ones for new heroes.

I find Invoker a very interesting hero with only 10 spells, there's a great deal of variety, but I think near on 30 spells would be far too excessive. What were the other spells anyway? Unrelated: This was my first game as Invoker: [t]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9673253/Images/Screenshots/First Invoker.png[/t] What items are usually built? I just went with recommended for my first, and I scaled all elements equally because I didn't want to focus on one school of spells.

[QUOTE=Glent;34322124] What were the other spells anyway?[/QUOTE] Trying to find them atm, all I have for now is this : QQQ = Icy Path QQW = Portal QQE = Frost Nova QWQ = Betrayal QWW = Tornado Blast QWE = Levitation QEQ = Power Word QEW = Invisibility Aura QEE = Shroud of Flames WQQ = Mana Burn WQW = EMP WQE = Soul Blast WWQ = Telelightning WWW = Shock WWE = Arcane Acts WEQ = Scout WEW = Energy Ball WEE = Lightning Shield EQQ = Chaos Meteor EQW = Confuse EQE = Disarm EWQ = Soul Reaver EWW = Firestorm EWE = Incinerate EEQ = Deafening Blast EEW = Inferno EEE = Firebolt

Clockwerk + Lich is a scary lane or clockwerk + any guy with a long early stun

3 Invokers fought already, all went "Wex max first, Tornade + EMP". I know it's effective, but hell if it's not as annoying as "Cheese" in SC II .

I really hope they let us make our own heroes. It's what made DotA in the first place. How brilliant would that be?

[QUOTE=Smashman;34322783]I really hope they let us make our own heroes. It's what made DotA in the first place. How brilliant would that be?[/QUOTE] lol. "Fuck balance"

[QUOTE=Glent;34322124] What items are usually built? I just went with recommended for my first, and I scaled all elements equally because I didn't want to focus on one school of spells.[/QUOTE] Read this, if you got the time: [url]http://www.playdota.com/guides/the-omnimage[/url] It covers [I]everything[/I]

[QUOTE=Reimu;34317635][URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/708/uhhhm.png/][IMG]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5205/uhhhm.png[/IMG][/URL][/QUOTE] The thing with DR is that it's a damn good carry and very powerful. Only thing is because all you're really doing is autoattacking its not terrifically fun to play. [editline]21st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Tokagero;34322556]Trying to find them atm, all I have for now is this : QQQ = Icy Path QQW = Portal QQE = Frost Nova QWQ = Betrayal QWW = Tornado Blast QWE = Levitation QEQ = Power Word QEW = Invisibility Aura QEE = Shroud of Flames WQQ = Mana Burn WQW = EMP WQE = Soul Blast WWQ = Telelightning WWW = Shock WWE = Arcane Acts WEQ = Scout WEW = Energy Ball WEE = Lightning Shield EQQ = Chaos Meteor EQW = Confuse EQE = Disarm EWQ = Soul Reaver EWW = Firestorm EWE = Incinerate EEQ = Deafening Blast EEW = Inferno EEE = Firebolt[/QUOTE] oh god its magicka all over again

[QUOTE=Squeaken;34322979]The thing with DR is that it's a damn good carry and very powerful. Only thing is because all you're really doing is autoattacking its not terrifically fun to play.[/QUOTE] That said though being able to kite & drop in and out with demon edge is pretty exciting too. There's nothing more fun than using shadow blade to surprise a solo hero and wipe them out just when they realize they're being hit.

[QUOTE=Reimu;34323141]That said though being able to kite & drop in and out with demon edge is pretty exciting too. There's nothing more fun than using demon edge to surprise a solo hero and wipe them out just when they realize they're being hit.[/QUOTE] Viper and Drow are both the same way. I love killing the people as they try to run away. Its even better with Viper as his poison will sometimes finish them off.

[QUOTE=tyler3497;34323349]Viper and Drow are both the same way. I love killing the people as they try to run away. Its even better with Viper as his poison will sometimes finish them off.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I was actually talking to lionheart about that recently since I main Drow and he Viper. They're both also excellent mid heros, and virtually unstoppable late game.

Drow vs Silencer mid. Fuck it hurts. Unless you get shitton of regen or use Drow's silence every time he casts Curse you are pushed back and in danger of being haste-ganked.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;34324114]Drow vs Silencer mid. [/QUOTE] Just wait till you try out Viper vs him.

[QUOTE=Prism;34324259]Just wait till you try out Viper vs him.[/QUOTE] Do orbs not cancel curse?

[QUOTE=Glent;34324447]Do orbs not cancel curse?[/QUOTE] You wish. They also fixed in last patch Morphling cheating his way out of Curse with Morph.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;34324114]Drow vs Silencer mid. Fuck it hurts. Unless you get shitton of regen or use Drow's silence every time he casts Curse you are pushed back and in danger of being haste-ganked.[/QUOTE] This happens to a lot of heroes You can't use your hook early and your rot doesn't cancel it, for example silencer basically rapes pudge mid

[QUOTE=Tokagero;34324935]You wish. They also fixed in last patch Morphling cheating his way out of Curse with Morph.[/QUOTE] But you still can stop curse with Spectre's Reality, why is it even usable when her ulti isn't active

[QUOTE=OxIGeZ;34325017]But you still can stop curse with Spectre's Reality, why is it even usable when her ulti isn't active[/QUOTE] Did you report that at Dev Dota2 ?

imo silencer's curse doesnt deal that much damage early on, but the mana drain + the spammability of it quickly take their toll

[QUOTE=OxIGeZ;34325017]But you still can stop curse with Spectre's Reality, why is it even usable when her ulti isn't active[/QUOTE] I don't really understand why that's not like Lifestealer's ult, in so far as it can only be used while the ult is in use.