personally I like the vanilla/CR campaign alot better than retribution
Hmm looks like its time to preorder Space Marine just so I can get a demo 2 days from now. I hope it's not a really short single player experience. I feel I'm kind of taking a risk here as I didn't like DoW 2 all that much.
[QUOTE=Hoboharry;31744259]How's your arm, Boba_Fett?
You're back to painting again?[/QUOTE]
Yeah, my arm is much better. I have a huge gash across my entire left elbow, but it no longer hurts, and I can move my arm without any joint pain.
Which means I have no excuse not to finish my army.
I've always liked the 40k story and setting, just not going to pay my ass off to play against super-experienced neckbeards who can kill a titan with a squig.
All in all, I have a pretty good idea of how it all goes now :
Earth is in war, people eat eachother
Mars colony formed, fuck earth and their people
Eldar aliens have a massive pain/pleasure orgy where entire planets die and have sex, leads to a new god forming in some sort oh hell reality, the thing wakes up and kills 80% of all the aliens and causes humans to get locked in place and they start eating eachother again
Emprah is formed, and kills everyone he meets to unite earth, lock is lifted, eldar still bawwing about their idiot race
Makes pact with lost colony mars who is now it's own seperate society of religious cyborg people, like the emprah because he glows nicely
Emprah creates 20 super-sons, makes a bad deal with powerful gods and they get random()'d into the galaxy
Spess mahreens created, emprah begins to take over the fucking galaxy and finds his super duper sons
Emprahs super-super son is starting to get bored of burning planets and decides to go check out this glowing spike of glowing glow
He gets chaos'd, fuck emprah and all that has to do with it, half the spess mahreens and super sons defect, galaxy burns, emprah sad panda
Many super sons and spess mahreens die, super-super son becomes unstoppable blood wrath rape machine and can kill a few million people for free time and sport
Most of the spess mahreens are too far away and the anti-spess mahreens attack earth and the emprah starts to get angry at his super-super son
Mars is like fuck that and stays out of it, their massive city machines are helping the earth, and destroying it at the same time
Emprah gets very very angry, takes a few terminators and decides to go chop his son's head off
Son's head is chopped, emprah has about 450 gunshot and melee wounds, and his lifeforce burns as bright as a firefly in ice
Decides to go take a nap in a massive throne of gold, not even meant for napping, now his forces are like "wat now" and they decide to do the one thing the Emprah told them not to - start worshipping him as a god and get all caught up in ego-trips, mass genocide, ultimate racism and random acts of heresy
Emprah rolls in his throne, it is now 41'st millenium, he is [B]still[/B] rolling, humanity is as dumb as a box of explosive rocks without him
The end
[QUOTE=bigbundie;31763437]personally I like the vanilla/CR campaign alot better than retribution[/QUOTE]
Thaddeus was a bro
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;31764445]I've always liked the 40k story and setting, just not going to pay my ass off to play against super-experienced neckbeards who can kill a titan with a squig.
All in all, I have a pretty good idea of how it all goes now :
Emprah is formed, and kills everyone he meets to unite earth, lock is lifted, eldar still bawwing about their idiot race
Spess mahreens created, emprah begins to take over the fucking galaxy and finds his super duper sons
Mars is like fuck that and stays out of it, their massive city machines are helping the earth, and destroying it at the same time
Emprah gets very very angry, takes a few terminators and decides to go chop his son's head off
Son's head is chopped, emprah has about 450 gunshot and melee wounds, and his lifeforce burns as bright as a firefly in ice
The end[/QUOTE]
Too bad 40k comes down to dice rolls and no matter how experienced it's still chance. This isn't yu gi oh or magic where someone can have a better deck and kick your ass all day
The Emperor has been around since before Christ
He makes the Space Marines before the Primarchs to help him take over the Earth (or atleast the Custodes variant)
All of Mars except 3 semi important people turn to Chaos. I'm pretty sure only one of them gets away.
The Emperor just eliminates Horus from existence. Both the warp and reality.
For a huge post like that please for the love of the Emperor and for holy Terra don't type "teh empra" and "spess mehrens." It's funny for like all of one sentence.
Question:
One of my bro's is going to gift me either Vanilla Dow 2 or CR, but I'm only going to be playing for the campaign. Which one should I ask for? Which has a longer campaign, etc etc?
[quote]The Emperor has been around since before Christ[/quote]
The Emperor probably was Christ, and if so, the Parralels would be rather ironic.
[quote]He makes the Space Marines before the Primarchs to help him take over the Earth (or atleast the Custodes variant)[/quote]
Actually he makes Thunder Warriors first, Custodes second, a more refined version of thunder Warriors, then he makes the Primarchs (who subsequently get spread across the galaxy), then the Space Marines.
[QUOTE=bigbundie;31765148]Question:
One of my bro's is going to gift me either Vanilla Dow 2 or CR, but I'm only going to be playing for the campaign. Which one should I ask for? Which has a longer campaign, etc etc?[/QUOTE]
Chaos Rising.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;31762576]Wow I played Retribution for the first time yesterday (having recently completed Chaos Rising) and it's a bit disappointing. Why the hell are chaos space marines the size of common IG troopers now?
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It also feels a lot less fun than DoW 2 or CR, as grindy as they could get.[/QUOTE]
One plus about Retribution is that it doesn't use GFWL, but i thought the campaign didn't have much effort put into it.
It would be more fun if it were different for every race, like, if you were Chaos, you'd go on a Black Crusade, if you were Orks, you'd go looting or unleashing a WAAAGH some sub-sector, if you were Imperial Guard, defend Cadia or something, if you were Eldar, you would defend some Craftworld, not really sure what would fit for Eldar, if you were Tyranids, i don't know what would fit for them either, but anyway.
For all 6 races to track down and kill [sp]Azariah Kyras[/sp] is a bit dumb.
The only race which actually had a reason to go track him down and kill him were the Space Marines.
Anyway, to me, what was great about the DoW2: Retribution Space Marine campaign was that Martellus was a squad member.
The Ork Campaign for Retribution is pretty much the best one, not because gameplay is much better, but because of the character of the orks.
[quote]The only race which actually had a reason to go track him down and kill him were the Space Marines.[/quote]
Not really, they all had reasons to track him down.
[QUOTE=bigbundie;31765148]Question:
One of my bro's is going to gift me either Vanilla Dow 2 or CR, but I'm only going to be playing for the campaign. Which one should I ask for? Which has a longer campaign, etc etc?[/QUOTE]
Chaos Rising has a longer campaign i think, but if you could, i would buy both of them.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;31765250]The Emperor probably was Christ, and if so, the Parralels would be rather ironic.
Actually he makes Thunder Warriors first, Custodes second, a more refined version of thunder Warriors, then he makes the Primarchs (who subsequently get spread across the galaxy), then the Space Marines.[/QUOTE]
Wait what how was he Jesus. I thought he was huge and more awesome than some scrawny jew. I thought he was created before written history by a bunch of psychic monks who committed suicide and formed their consciousnesses together. Why would the Emperor reveal himself for 30 years as some nitwit who would only be misinterpreted throughout history.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;31765338]The Ork Campaign for Retribution is pretty much the best one, not because gameplay is much better, but because of the character of the orks.
Not really, they all had reasons to track him down.[/QUOTE]
How so?
The only valid reason to me was Diomedes' reason to track him down.
[sp]In Chaos Rising, he found out that Azariah Kyras had fallen to the powers of chaos, so it seemed like the best reason to me.[/sp]
I know the rest of the races either wanted to save themselves/save what they had, but in the end, i think Diomedes' at least had the best reason to go after [sp]Azariah Kyras[/sp]
[QUOTE=MendozaMan;31764445]History of 40k[/QUOTE]
Actually the emperor was formed long before the fall of humanity in pre-farm society humanity.
If I recall he created a warpstorm surrounding the Sol before humans took to the stars to protect them. Humans flourised and entered a golden age of tech. And somewhere during that, you had a massive machine uprising and war which essentially led to a butlerian Djihad.
Afterwards the warp spilled out and completely isolated the pockets of humanity for a long time. The emperor then started a crusade once things began to calm down.
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[INDENT=3]Wait what how was he Jesus. I thought he was huge and more awesome than some scrawny jew. I thought he was created before written history by a bunch of psychic monks who committed suicide and formed their consciousnesses together. Why would the Emperor reveal himself for 30 years as some nitwit who would only be misinterpreted throughout history.
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He can take almost any form he wants to. Including being a female, a small scrawny man and anything else really. If he really does take the form or if it's just an illusion though remains a question.
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Wait what how was he Jesus. I thought he was huge and more awesome than some scrawny jew. I thought he was created before written history by a bunch of psychic monks who committed suicide and formed their consciousnesses together. Why would the Emperor reveal himself for 30 years as some nitwit who would only be misinterpreted throughout history.
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Shamans who's souls began to get consumed by demons of chaos instead of being reborn.
He's a vastly powerful Psyker and can look like whatever the hell he wants to. And yeah, thats one of his origin stories.
Maybe he took on the guise of Jesus to test the waters on the whole to see whether Religion would be something that could unify mankind, which it didn't. He could also be any major historical figure, Alexander the Great, Caeser, Hitler, anyone infact.
It's known that he was, definately, at one time St George.
wraith, the warpstorm that surrounded Sol was due to the birthing of Slaanesh.
Once the Warp storms abated, several thousand years later, did the Emperor unify earth and begin his crusade. Humans Flourised BEFORE the Age of Strife (aka all them warp storms), inthe Dark Age of Technology.
The Emperor was supposedly born 2000 Years BC
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;31765581]He's a vastly powerful Psyker and can look like whatever the hell he wants to. And yeah, thats one of his origin stories.
Maybe he took on the guise of Jesus to test the waters on the whole to see whether Religion would be something that could unify mankind, which it didn't. He could also be any major historical figure, Alexander the Great, Caeser, Hitler, anyone infact.
It's known that he was, definately, at one time St George.
wraith, the warpstorm that surrounded Sol was due to the birthing of Slaanesh.
Once the Warp storms abated, several thousand years later, did the Emperor unify earth and begin his crusade. Humans Flourised BEFORE the Age of Strife (aka all them warp storms), inthe Dark Age of Technology.
The Emperor was supposedly born 2000 Years BC[/QUOTE]
But what. So the Emperor got really made at money lenders in the temple and beat them out? Is this Ward's doings? This is truly testing my faith to the awesomeness of the 40k lore.
It's not been Stated directly, but it has been said that he has played as people of historical importance. Maybe he was just trying differt things and seeing how humanity would react. It's entirely possible and fits with his motives of uniting humanity, he'd have tested the waters a long time to see how best to unify mankind.
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;31765646]But what. So the Emperor got really made at money lenders in the temple and beat them out? Is this Ward's doings? This is truly testing my faith to the awesomeness of the 40k lore.[/QUOTE]
Keep in mind that the bible is a collection of stories which may or may not be true even in wh40k. Hence a lot of the actions of the emperor can be apocrypical or not had happened at all, but someone felt they looked nice on paper.
The emperor has been known to guide humanity from the background from time to time, but also being a huge dick even more often. he is essentially just a man at the end.
[quote]he is essentially just a man at the end. [/quote]
He really isn't. Plus there's another origin story/background hints that he may infact be an Old One.
Plus I've got this theory that The Emperor was just a projection and Malcador the Sigilite was the real "Emperor"
[QUOTE=Hoboharry;31765525]How so?
The only valid reason to me was Diomedes' reason to track him down.
[sp]In Chaos Rising, he found out that Azariah Kyras had fallen to the powers of chaos, so it seemed like the best reason to me.[/sp]
I know the rest of the races either wanted to save themselves/save what they had, but in the end, i think Diomedes' at least had the best reason to go after [sp]Azariah Kyras[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah the Chaos Marines had the most ridiculous excuse for [sp]killing Kyras[/sp]
"Yes Lord I shall kill this brother in chaos just because you don't like him"
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;31765840]Yeah the Chaos Marines had the most ridiculous excuse for [sp]killing Kyras[/sp]
"Yes Lord I shall kill this brother in chaos just because you don't like him"[/QUOTE]
That's Chaos for you, just because they are against the Imperium, doesn't make them buddy buddy. Brother in Chaos only really applies to Fallen Legions or Warbands, and even then, not rigidly. If a chaos marine thinks he can get ahead by screwing up another Choas guys plans, he'll go right ahead and do it.
Wasn't the Emperor born sometime around 8000BC?
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;31765911]That's Chaos for you, just because they are against the Imperium, doesn't make them buddy buddy. Brother in Chaos only really applies to Fallen Legions or Warbands, and even then, not rigidly. If a chaos marine thinks he can get ahead by screwing up another Choas guys plans, he'll go right ahead and do it.[/QUOTE]
It was still a bloody ridiculous excuse. Even the Tyranids had a better excuse.
The stories are conflicting, but yeah, I think 8kBC sounds more right, on reflection.
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;31766085]It was still a bloody ridiculous excuse. Even the Tyranids had a better excuse.[/QUOTE]
Chaos is as Chaos Does. Hell, they could do it for all sorts of reasons, thats the thing about Chaos, their actions don't have to be and aren't always predictable, logical, resonable or even make sense. ONe Marine could and would screw another Chaos marine over just because he looked at him wrong or stole a kill from him Pre Heresy.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/081620119871.jpg[/img]
Two of my sternguard veterans. The heavy bolter marine has killed way more things than he should have, which is why I keep him in the squad.
You can't really see any detail because my camera sucks.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;31766103]The stories are conflicting, but yeah, I think 8kBC sounds more right, on reflection.
Chaos is as Chaos Does. Hell, they could do it for all sorts of reasons, thats the thing about Chaos, their actions don't have to be and aren't always predictable, logical, resonable or even make sense. ONe Marine could and would screw another Chaos marine over just because he looked at him wrong or stole a kill from him Pre Heresy.[/QUOTE]
Ah, I'll keep that in mind next time I see a chaos lord trying to kill a Deamon prince.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;31766106][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/081620119871.jpg[/img]
Two of my sternguard veterans. The heavy bolter marine has killed way more things than he should have, which is why I keep him in the squad.
You can't really see any detail because my camera sucks.[/QUOTE]
You should get some paper (white) and make a half box around them, get some light from behind (preferably just slightly overhead) and have a thin fabric between the light and the models so that it isn't too overpowering. The camera doesn't look too shabby and I bet you can get a better picture if you work the light a bit. =)
They look really bland as it is though, just a few shades of some dark colour.
I love painting the Space Hulk minatures, all of the detail is so nice, although, in a few cases, there's a bit too much detail, which makes painting a pain in the arse.
You don't happen to have any pictures of your models?
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