[QUOTE=DaysBefore;32348833]No Steel Legion troops? Those are my personal favorites in the GW Line. If you have the money and really want diversity, order either some Steel Legion Guardsmen from GW or the Death Korps of Krieg from Forge World. And if you want to go with a mechanized force, nobody in the Guard is better then the Steel Legion. I really recommend them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah the Steel Legion is pretty badass, lore wise, and model wise.
[QUOTE=gufu;32348327]
2) Damn, 40k models are tinny. For some reason I always assumed them to be bigger.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much my first reaction.
Eh... I kinda wanted a Valhallan army, instead. I guess I could get it from eBay.
[QUOTE=gufu;32348923]Eh... I kinda wanted a Valhallan army, instead. I guess I could get it from eBay.[/QUOTE]
Ah, Space Soviets. Easy to order from FW, though if you're strapped for cash eBay works. Good for mass attacks, as long as you back them up with some Basilisks.
Fucking fuck I go to watch a movie and miss out on a fluff discussion.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32346271]It sounds like the Emperor has a pretty harsh existence now, is the only thing keeping Him going is His love of Humanity?[/QUOTE]
You have no idea how much of a bro the Emperor is. If there is anyone in 40k that isn't a complete douche, it is the Emprah. His ultimate goal is the survival of the human race: And for the human race to survive, the Ruinous Powers must be destroyed. Since you can't go into the warp and stab them in the face, he figured out that their power was sustained by the violence and other negative emotions of the mortal races. Thus, if complete peace was achieved, the Ruinous Powers would be powerless.
Originally he intended to further various old world religions, believing them to be the key to uniting mankind. But then he discovered that with religion, there was only violence and hatred born from it, killing in the name of one god or another, hating other religions, etc. So he said fuck that. He determined that he needed a direct approach in the future of mankind, and revealed himself. That's when he went around and basically annihilated anyone that resisted his ideals: The Imperial Truth, which is the belief in logic and reason. Religion was not tolerated in the slightest as a result.
Which is why the current Imperium is full of FUCKING HERETICS. The person who came up with the idea that the Emperor was a god (or, at least, popularized the idea) was the Primarch of the Word Bearers legion, Lorgar. He spread the idea that the Emperor was a god, to the point that one particular world openly practiced it and worshiped him as a god. Promptly the Emperor had the entire city burned to ash by the Ultramarines if I recall correctly. Lorgar was traumatized by this and that's when he turned to FUCKING CHAOS. He believed religion was necessary for humanity to survive, and if the Emperor wasn't going to be his religion, he would find another, in this case the Chaos Gods. So basically, everyone in the Imperium is taking the word of a heretic (Lorgar and his religion) over the word of the ACTUAL god-Emperor (The Emperor and his Imperial Truth).
And despite ALL of this, his people rejecting his ideals and even calling the Imperial Truth heresy after a while, he STILL sits in indescribable agony as a virtual corpse just to ensure the safety of mankind. He is not only guiding the Astronomicon, but he is also keeping the damaged Webway from consuming Terra, as well as keeping the Ruinous Powers in check. He is the ultimate bro.
Fucking love 40k fluff. There is no short version if you request one you are a heretic.
I really need to read the HH stuff. I've read all the Space Wolves books though :3 I loves me some Space Wolves.
[QUOTE=imadaman;32348219]Fire Warrior[/QUOTE]
Let's never speak of this again
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349042]Fucking fuck I go to watch a movie and miss out on a fluff discussion.
You have no idea how much of a bro the Emperor is. If there is anyone in 40k that isn't a complete douche, it is the Emprah. His ultimate goal is the survival of the human race: And for the human race to survive, the Ruinous Powers must be destroyed. Since you can't go into the warp and stab them in the face, he figured out that their power was sustained by the violence and other negative emotions of the mortal races. Thus, if complete peace was achieved, the Ruinous Powers would be powerless.
Originally he intended to further various old world religions, believing them to be the key to uniting mankind. But then he discovered that with religion, there was only violence and hatred born from it, killing in the name of one god or another, hating other religions, etc. So he said fuck that. He determined that he needed a direct approach in the future of mankind, and revealed himself. That's when he went around and basically annihilated anyone that resisted his ideals: The Imperial Truth, which is the belief in logic and reason. Religion was not tolerated in the slightest as a result.
Which is why the current Imperium is full of FUCKING HERETICS. The person who came up with the idea that the Emperor was a god (or, at least, popularized the idea) was the Primarch of the Word Bearers legion, Lorgar. He spread the idea that the Emperor was a god, to the point that one particular world openly practiced it and worshiped him as a god. Promptly the Emperor had the entire city burned to ash by the Ultramarines if I recall correctly. Lorgar was traumatized by this and that's when he turned to FUCKING CHAOS. He believed religion was necessary for humanity to survive, and if the Emperor wasn't going to be his religion, he would find another, in this case the Chaos Gods. So basically, everyone in the Imperium is taking the word of a heretic (Lorgar and his religion) over the word of the ACTUAL god-Emperor (The Emperor and his Imperial Truth).
And despite ALL of this, his people rejecting his ideals and even calling the Imperial Truth heresy after a while, he STILL sits in indescribable agony as a virtual corpse just to ensure the safety of mankind. He is not only guiding the Astronomicon, but he is also keeping the damaged Webway from consuming Terra, as well as keeping the Ruinous Powers in check. He is the ultimate bro.
Fucking love 40k fluff. There is no short version if you request one you are a heretic.[/QUOTE]
40k fluff best sci-fi fluff ever. That totally gave me a different view on the imperium of man.
Also I hope you new-to-40kers know the story of Ollanius Pius by now.
Because I'm pretty sure its required by law to know before getting into 40k.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349450]Also I hope you new-to-40kers know the story of Ollanius Pius by now.
Because I'm pretty sure its required by law to know before getting into 40k.[/QUOTE]
I have the first Horus Heresy book, but I haven't been able to finish it yet, since I have to read a lot of books for school. So I looked it up on the Lexicanum, and wow. That guy is a hero. I should really start reading the HH books though. I'm missing out on so much lore.
Also, funny conspiracy theory I found: Says that Matt Ward used to be a Necron player until he was beaten by Ultramarine Space Marines, which is where his obsession started.
[quote]Ward spends the last couple years making Space Marines the army faction to go to- the perfect badasses everyone loves. With each codex he makes them more and more ludicrous, more and more powerful till they are all the people know and care for. He lets them sit atop GW's throne of money, basking in their glory.
Then without warning, he pulls the tarp off his final project- the codex Necrons. Insanely and skubtastically blown out of proportion with pants-on-head retarded powers none can match, the Necrons shove the smurfs off their spotlight. Marine players sell out their entire armies just to afford the ridiculous prices on Ward's new bastard creation, pushing the Marines into a dark corner of neglect where ironically the Necrons once hunched imprisoned for nearly a decade.
The other writers will all unite to attempt to thwart Ward's scheme, but it will be far too late. At this point, a statue of a Necron Warrior will stand at the front of the GW HQ on the same pedestal a Space Marine once stood proudly. Ward will be jerking off to Lolicron in his fortress of solitude, now located in the middle of the Dead Sea, laughing like a little child who just cheated his way to victory in a game of Candy Land. [/quote]
Amazing.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349042]Fucking fuck I go to watch a movie and miss out on a fluff discussion.
You have no idea how much of a bro the Emperor is. If there is anyone in 40k that isn't a complete douche, it is the Emprah. His ultimate goal is the survival of the human race: And for the human race to survive, the Ruinous Powers must be destroyed. Since you can't go into the warp and stab them in the face, he figured out that their power was sustained by the violence and other negative emotions of the mortal races. Thus, if complete peace was achieved, the Ruinous Powers would be powerless.
Originally he intended to further various old world religions, believing them to be the key to uniting mankind. But then he discovered that with religion, there was only violence and hatred born from it, killing in the name of one god or another, hating other religions, etc. So he said fuck that. He determined that he needed a direct approach in the future of mankind, and revealed himself. That's when he went around and basically annihilated anyone that resisted his ideals: The Imperial Truth, which is the belief in logic and reason. Religion was not tolerated in the slightest as a result.
Which is why the current Imperium is full of FUCKING HERETICS. The person who came up with the idea that the Emperor was a god (or, at least, popularized the idea) was the Primarch of the Word Bearers legion, Lorgar. He spread the idea that the Emperor was a god, to the point that one particular world openly practiced it and worshiped him as a god. Promptly the Emperor had the entire city burned to ash by the Ultramarines if I recall correctly. Lorgar was traumatized by this and that's when he turned to FUCKING CHAOS. He believed religion was necessary for humanity to survive, and if the Emperor wasn't going to be his religion, he would find another, in this case the Chaos Gods. So basically, everyone in the Imperium is taking the word of a heretic (Lorgar and his religion) over the word of the ACTUAL god-Emperor (The Emperor and his Imperial Truth).
And despite ALL of this, his people rejecting his ideals and even calling the Imperial Truth heresy after a while, he STILL sits in indescribable agony as a virtual corpse just to ensure the safety of mankind. He is not only guiding the Astronomicon, but he is also keeping the damaged Webway from consuming Terra, as well as keeping the Ruinous Powers in check. He is the ultimate bro.
Fucking love 40k fluff. There is no short version if you request one you are a heretic.[/QUOTE]
No he is a dick. [I]Must be my son Magnus that is evil because he has powers that he got from me[/I]
The story of the Imperium is the story of the biggest dicks / idiots in the galaxy. Doesn't mean that I don't love 40k or the Imperium or anything but I think it's funny
Is it bad I don't know who Matt Ward is
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;32349531]No he is a dick. [I]Must be my son Magnus that is evil because he has powers that he got from me[/I]
The story of the Imperium is the story of the biggest dicks / idiots in the galaxy. Doesn't mean that I don't love 40k or the Imperium or anything but I think it's funny[/QUOTE]
Lets see who is evil: The Emperor's favorite child who has shown no ill effects, or the one eyed sorcerer who just killed hundreds of thousands by busting into the Emperor's chambers through the webway like the god damn Kool-aid man and looks like a fucking blood-covered daemon, not to mention that he DID, in fact, accept power from a daemon right before it happened? I think he made a good choice.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=aliendrone123;32349546]Is it bad I don't know who Matt Ward is[/QUOTE]
No stay in ignorance. STAY.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349582]No stay in ignorance. STAY.[/QUOTE]
:ohdear:
[QUOTE=aliendrone123;32349546]Is it bad I don't know who Matt Ward is[/QUOTE]
[img]http://1d4chan.org/images/e/ed/Matthew_Ward.jpg[/img]
[url]http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Matt_Ward[/url]
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349582]Lets see who is evil: The Emperor's favorite child who has shown no ill effects, or the one eyed sorcerer who just killed hundreds of thousands by busting into the Emperor's chambers through the webway like the god damn Kool-aid man and looks like a fucking blood-covered daemon, not to mention that he DID, in fact, accept power from a daemon right before it happened? I think he made a good choice.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
No stay in ignorance. STAY.[/QUOTE]
He accepted daemon powers before? Still either way this is the way the scenario seems to have played out:
Magnus: "I SEE MY BROTHERS DOING HORRIBLE THINGS I MUST WARN MY FATHER
==Soon after, on Terra==
Magnus busts through the golden throne: "OH YEAH"
Thousands die from the explosion and psychic wave
Magnus: "Dad please list-"
Emperor: "omg magnus you act like i even care time for you to die"
I mean if the Emperor is supposed to be god, and supposed to be perfect and flawless, why could he not see all of this coming? Or at the very least listen to his son
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;32349729]He accepted daemon powers before? Still either way this is the way the scenario seems to have played out:
Magnus: "I SEE MY BROTHERS DOING HORRIBLE THINGS I MUST WARN MY FATHER
==Soon after, on Terra==
Magnus busts through the golden throne: "OH YEAH"
Thousands die from the explosion and psychic wave
Magnus: "Dad please list-"
Emperor: "omg magnus you act like i even care time for you to die"
I mean if the Emperor is supposed to be god, and supposed to be perfect and flawless, why could he not see all of this coming? Or at the very least listen to his son[/QUOTE]
He did listen. In actuality they never spoke, their minds connected for a second and that's when Magnus knew the terrible consequences of his actions, but also showed the Emperor what he foresaw. The Emperor more then likely forced himself to not believe it because of his love for Horus, but his heart broke when Magnus entered. Magnus fucked up immensely and had to be punished, that much was sure. Why he didn't put much merit in Magnus' findings is up to speculation, but one can assume its the same reason why he couldn't strike down Horus until the last minute.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32349042]Fucking fuck I go to watch a movie and miss out on a fluff discussion.
You have no idea how much of a bro the Emperor is. If there is anyone in 40k that isn't a complete douche, it is the Emprah. His ultimate goal is the survival of the human race: And for the human race to survive, the Ruinous Powers must be destroyed. Since you can't go into the warp and stab them in the face, he figured out that their power was sustained by the violence and other negative emotions of the mortal races. Thus, if complete peace was achieved, the Ruinous Powers would be powerless.
Originally he intended to further various old world religions, believing them to be the key to uniting mankind. But then he discovered that with religion, there was only violence and hatred born from it, killing in the name of one god or another, hating other religions, etc. So he said fuck that. He determined that he needed a direct approach in the future of mankind, and revealed himself. That's when he went around and basically annihilated anyone that resisted his ideals: The Imperial Truth, which is the belief in logic and reason. Religion was not tolerated in the slightest as a result.
Which is why the current Imperium is full of FUCKING HERETICS. The person who came up with the idea that the Emperor was a god (or, at least, popularized the idea) was the Primarch of the Word Bearers legion, Lorgar. He spread the idea that the Emperor was a god, to the point that one particular world openly practiced it and worshiped him as a god. Promptly the Emperor had the entire city burned to ash by the Ultramarines if I recall correctly. Lorgar was traumatized by this and that's when he turned to FUCKING CHAOS. He believed religion was necessary for humanity to survive, and if the Emperor wasn't going to be his religion, he would find another, in this case the Chaos Gods. So basically, everyone in the Imperium is taking the word of a heretic (Lorgar and his religion) over the word of the ACTUAL god-Emperor (The Emperor and his Imperial Truth).
And despite ALL of this, his people rejecting his ideals and even calling the Imperial Truth heresy after a while, he STILL sits in indescribable agony as a virtual corpse just to ensure the safety of mankind. He is not only guiding the Astronomicon, but he is also keeping the damaged Webway from consuming Terra, as well as keeping the Ruinous Powers in check. He is the ultimate bro.
Fucking love 40k fluff. There is no short version if you request one you are a heretic.[/QUOTE]
The Emperor is an asshole, though it's possible that Horus was right, Emperor says plenty of shit in the Horus Heresy books; go figure he knew about Horus's betrayal long before Magnus tried to warn him. It would essentially mean he knew the scope of the Heresy and what the end result would be and that either Horus is 100% justified or he was completely wrong. The Emperor in the HH books is basically portrayed as someone separated from his Imperium, pushing people to his goals but not looking at the social impacts he was causing or the bitterness from his sons. You cannot kill the Chaos Gods and thus this was the Emperors mistake, he was over confident, Chaos Gods run on emotions and not necessarily warfare. There are just some things that make me wonder if the Emperor really was that great. He destroyed an entire world that worshiped him mistakenly by his son who demanded that it be done and has eliminated every human faction that lived peacefully with Xenos. Every single one. It's weird because he states that his Great Crusade was intended to free humans from the oppression of Aliens for mankind's survival yet there's indication that human societies were surviving without his help. In the books he comes across as a self centred egotistical megalomaniac, who has a penchant for bringing war to whoever he pleases and makes planets fold before him with an iron will to serve his own gains and not for the benefit of the imperium as a whole. The Emperor was a fool to think he could literally make the entire human race across the galaxy atheist and just pretend Chaos did not exist, he didn't give much father and son time with most of his primarch sons and thus created his own doom (or just as planned) he was completely reckless about it.
What you think of the Emperor really depends on your outlook, its not black or white. If the Emperor wasn't all "JUST KEEP MOVING, IGNORE THE CRACKS THEY'LL FIX THEMSELVES IN THE END" then it would of gone a lot better, maybe if he wasn't such a secrets whore Horus would of not been led into heresy in the first place. Emperor is nothing but another Chaos sorceror, he added absolutely nothing of benefit to mankind, scavenged technology from better civilizations than his own backward Imperium, and slaughtered entire races because, well, because maybe they were nasty to mankind during the Long Night? Who cares, kill all Xenos without provocation as a standing order.
[QUOTE=Vasili;32350385]The Emperor is an asshole, though it's possible that Horus was right[/QUOTE]
[t]http://1d4chan.org/images/c/c4/Komissar_by_kriegsmachine14.jpg[/t]
Your life. It's now worthless.
[QUOTE=Vasili;32350385]The Emperor is an asshole, though it's possible that Horus was right, Emperor says plenty of shit in the Horus Heresy books; go figure he knew about Horus's betrayal long before Magnus tried to warn him. It would essentially mean he knew the scope of the Heresy and what the end result would be and that either Horus is 100% justified or he was completely wrong. The Emperor in the HH books is basically portrayed as someone separated from his Imperium, pushing people to his goals but not looking at the social impacts he was causing or the bitterness from his sons. You cannot kill the Chaos Gods and thus this was the Emperors mistake, he was over confident, Chaos Gods run on emotions and not necessarily warfare. There are just some things that make me wonder if the Emperor really was that great. He destroyed an entire world that worshiped him mistakenly by his son who demanded that it be done and has eliminated every human faction that lived peacefully with Xenos. Every single one. It's weird because he states that his Great Crusade was intended to free humans from the oppression of Aliens for mankind's survival yet there's indication that human societies were surviving without his help. In the books he comes across as a self centred egotistical megalomaniac, who has a penchant for bringing war to whoever he pleases and makes planets fold before him with an iron will to serve his own gains and not for the benefit of the imperium as a whole. The Emperor was a fool to think he could literally make the entire human race across the galaxy atheist and just pretend Chaos did not exist, he didn't give much father and son time with most of his primarch sons and thus created his own doom (or just as planned) he was completely reckless about it.
What you think of the Emperor really depends on your outlook, its not black or white. If the Emperor wasn't all "JUST KEEP MOVING, IGNORE THE CRACKS THEY'LL FIX THEMSELVES IN THE END" then it would of gone a lot better, maybe if he wasn't such a secrets whore Horus would of not been led into heresy in the first place. Emperor is nothing but another Chaos sorceror, he added absolutely nothing of benefit to mankind, scavenged technology from better civilizations than his own backward Imperium, and slaughtered entire races because, well, because maybe they were nasty to mankind during the Long Night? Who cares, kill all Xenos without provocation as a standing order.[/QUOTE]
I've read a few Horus Heresy books and he didn't seem like an asshole. Detached, perhaps. But an asshole? Hardly. And, the warp was originally a benign place. When the Old Ones used warp energies for warfare, it changed the benign attitude to a malevolent one. Sure, they run on emotion, but it is the negative emotions that fuel the chaos gods themselves. Look at what mankind has to live alongside. 95% of alien species are hostile. Lets make an analogy: You walk into a house and are promptly bitten by rabid dogs. You escape, and enter another house. You are again mauled by rabid dogs. The third house, same thing. By the fourth house, you expect to be mauled by rapid dogs.
And the Emperor pretended Chaos didn't exist because he didn't want the temptation to be so great. His plan for peace basically involved the gods wasting away without the negative emotion they need to live. If all the mortal races didn't know they existed, and lived in near total peace, they would be fucked. If you look at the influence of daemons in the Horus Heresy books you'll notice its a lot less active as it is in the present. The sudden temptation of chaos worship has claimed so many of the mortal races that the ruinous powers are as powerful as ever.
And, did nothing to mankind? What? He united the fractured empire that it was. If not for him, humanity, in its broken state, would've been neutralized by eldar, slaughtered by orks, consumed by Tyranids, and taken over by Tau by now. And the fact that he is the only way Imperial ships can travel between stars. As for his attitude toward the Primarches: they are his genetic generals. They were not created to be attention whoring babies, they were created to be manly man generals of vast space marine armies. He loves his Primarches dearly even then, but he shouldn't have to babysit them.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32349267]Let's never speak of this again[/QUOTE]
That game made me thought the TAU were ROBOTS all along.
So here is a question - are there any Warp entities that are benign to humans?
[QUOTE=DTkach;32350526]I've read a few Horus Heresy books and he didn't seem like an asshole. Detached, perhaps. But an asshole? Hardly. And, the warp was originally a benign place. When the Old Ones used warp energies for warfare, it changed the benign attitude to a malevolent one. Sure, they run on emotion, but it is the negative emotions that fuel the chaos gods themselves. Look at what mankind has to live alongside. 95% of alien species are hostile. Lets make an analogy: You walk into a house and are promptly bitten by rabid dogs. You escape, and enter another house. You are again mauled by rabid dogs. The third house, same thing. By the fourth house, you expect to be mauled by rapid dogs.[/quote]
You don't call burning a whole city to the ground and making a Legion in its entirety to be force to kneel in the ashes of their greatest achievement, he completely shamed the Word Bearers and made them bow down before the Ultramarines, that's chaos bait right there. There was a short story called "The Last Church", Basically the last church on Earth is run by a kindly old priest who had been a thief and idealistic mercenary in his youth. Emps shows up pretty much to tell him "you are wrong and the religion that inspired you to devote the rest of your life to others is wrong and false." - going to a church with the sole express purpose of trying to win a theological debate against an old man (who's only crimes were those committed as a youth) is another dickish thing to do, although small - still the lord of assholes incarnated. In the Legion book about the Alpha Legion's decision to betray the Emperor, one of the main characters is essentially a reincarnated psyker, John something or other I think, being used by Eldar and various other 'xenos' who belong to a Council dedicated to steering the universe in the 'right' direction. John's the ultimate spy, his psychic powers involve the ability to physically and mentally assume the identity of someone else, and he can mask his presence in the warp.
One of the biggest examples of Empy's dickishness is when John meets him before Empy has even made the Primarchs or fully conquered Earth. The scene basically goes like this:
>>John is in a feast hall with Empy and a dozen dozen doze other high ranking military people
>>Empy shakes his hand and says something to the effect of "We really must discuss the options the future holds for *PEOPLE LIKE US*"
To me, this is the biggest representation of Empy's dickishness because even though he doesn't believe in gods or religion he clearly recognizes that he's better than everyone, but the part that makes him a dick is that he acts like it.
[quote]And the Emperor pretended Chaos didn't exist because he didn't want the temptation to be so great. His plan for peace basically involved the gods wasting away without the negative emotion they need to live. If all the mortal races didn't know they existed, and lived in near total peace, they would be fucked. If you look at the influence of daemons in the Horus Heresy books you'll notice its a lot less active as it is in the present. The sudden temptation of chaos worship has claimed so many of the mortal races that the ruinous powers are as powerful as ever.[/quote]
The Emperor made a pact with the Chaos Gods before his conquest even began, he used the powers of the chaos gods to create the Primarchs in promise to conquered the galaxy in the name of Chaos. Its pretty hard to hide something that exists, this is a galatic wide conspiracy you'd be plotting here, Nurgle runs on death and decay and not necessarily war, Slaanesh is pleasures and excess which again is not really war while Khorne is anger mostly and Tzeentch is change, these are core emotions and don't need war to run in. The only way you could destroy chaos is by having humanity, Eldar and other races with emotion to become extinct.
[quote]As for his attitude toward the Primarches: they are his genetic generals. They were not created to be attention whoring babies, they were created to be manly man generals of vast space marine armies. He loves his Primarches dearly even then, but he shouldn't have to babysit them.[/QUOTE]
The Emperor brought Horus up like his child, he regarded them as his sons, even Robo said he was a terrible father.
>He was a terrible father and treated half his sons like shit and even the sons he favoured resented him.
>Personally condoned the idea of destroying human civilizations that refused to join him on his crusade of eliminating everyone who was not human, even the peaceful ones who lived in peace alongside them.
>Savagely oppressed all psykers because they were dangerous doorways to the Warp. Despite being an Alpha+ psyker himself.
>let the Mechanicus be in charge of all Technological Research and Development. You know, instead of spreading it all around.
>Opens a web-way gate on HOLY FUCKING TERRA without first thinking that he should invest in some sort of Warp Insulation.
>"Forbids all psychic shenanigans that are not strictly sanctioned, acts pissy when Magnus acts out of line whilst he himself is violating reality in his basement.
My out look I think the Emperor was a fool and a terrible risk taker who was terribly naive about Chaos in general and under estimated humanities will to be religious.
Is there hope for [i]any[/i] race of sapient beings? All the major ones seem prone to war and xenophobia instead of diplomacy and cooperation.
[QUOTE=aliendrone123;32345913]On the topic of Tau, I found it sorta cool how the Ultramarines and Tau helped each other destroy the Necrons on Malbede. Although it was sorta heresy on the Marines part. (or was it? Would that be considered heresy?)[/QUOTE]
Depends on circumstances. Being a Xeno in the Imperium is not an automatic death sentence. Xenos who bow down and accept humans as the master race I believe are generally accepted, however they are hated. Though that may be pre heresy.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Vasili;32350680]Nurgle runs on death and decay and not necessarily war,[/QUOTE]
Nurgle is also the god of all because eventually everything dies or decays.
[QUOTE=Big Orca;32350740]Is there hope for [I]any[/I] race of sapient beings? All the major ones seem prone to war and xenophobia instead of diplomacy and cooperation.[/QUOTE]
Depends on your definitions.
The only races that put their money where their mouth is are Nids and Orks.
Nids have no ill intent, everybody is equal and everyone serves as best they are able.... totally in a literal fashion. They are completely amoral. The needs of the many and few are completely equal. Their goal is the subsumation of everything living into a gestalt.
Ork goals are pretty clear: find awesome stuff and use to it blow other stuff up, and the more stuff you blow up, the more awesome everything is. If you can't find someone who hates you to blow up, you blow up your friends. Pretty fool-proof, which is why Orks are literally everywhere.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=gufu;32350673]So here is a question - are there any Warp entities that are benign to humans?[/QUOTE]
Plenty, there are even some that are friendly. The warp is [b]every[/b] possibility represented in a tangible form.
[QUOTE=gufu;32350673]So here is a question - are there any Warp entities that are benign to humans?[/QUOTE]
There's the [url=http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Unfleshed]Unfleshed[/url], horrible skinless mutants that live in chaos riddled sewers on a Daemon world but that are still loyal to the emprah.
Also, this is probably old but...
[img]http://1d4chan.org/images/1/10/1267818498305.jpg[/img]
Give me a solid imperial guardsman over some namby pamby Eldar ladyboy any day.
[QUOTE=RearAdmiral;32350817]There's the [url=http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Unfleshed]Unfleshed[/url], horrible skinless mutants that live in chaos riddled sewers on a Daemon world but that are still loyal to the emprah.
Also, this is probably old but...
[img]http://1d4chan.org/images/1/10/1267818498305.jpg[/img]
Give me a solid imperial guardsman over some namby pamby Eldar ladyboy any day.[/QUOTE]
Those aren't warp entities.
[editline]18th September 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=27X;32350798]Depends on your definitions.
The only races that put their money where their mouth is are Nids and Orks.
Nids have no ill intent, everybody is equal and everyone serves as best they are able.... totally in a literal fashion. They are completely amoral. The needs of the many and few are completely equal. Their goal is the subsumation of everything living into a gestalt.
Ork goals are pretty clear: find awesome stuff and use to it blow other stuff up, and the more stuff you blow up, the more awesome everything is. If you can't find someone who hates you to blow up, you blow up your friends. Pretty fool-proof, which is why Orks are literally everywhere.
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Plenty, there are even some that are friendly. The warp is [b]every[/b] possibility represented in a tangible form.[/QUOTE]
The issue is that the four major gods of the warp have such a large dominion over the warp that it doesn't matter. Benign beings in the warp are easily outnumbered by the ones that want to have your soul.
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