Warhammer 40k: Megathread V1 - FOR THE EMPEROR - Games

Well, I would assume that there are a few individual entities that try to go against the odds and powers to help someone, if only a single individual.

[QUOTE=Vasili;32350680]You don't call burning a whole city to the ground and making a Legion in its entirety to be force to kneel in the ashes of their greatest achievement, he completely shamed the Word Bearers and made them bow down before the Ultramarines, that's chaos bait right there. There was a short story called "The Last Church", Basically the last church on Earth is run by a kindly old priest who had been a thief and idealistic mercenary in his youth. Emps shows up pretty much to tell him "you are wrong and the religion that inspired you to devote the rest of your life to others is wrong and false." - going to a church with the sole express purpose of trying to win a theological debate against an old man (who's only crimes were those committed as a youth) is another dickish thing to do, although small - still the lord of assholes incarnated. In the Legion book about the Alpha Legion's decision to betray the Emperor, one of the main characters is essentially a reincarnated psyker, John something or other I think, being used by Eldar and various other 'xenos' who belong to a Council dedicated to steering the universe in the 'right' direction. John's the ultimate spy, his psychic powers involve the ability to physically and mentally assume the identity of someone else, and he can mask his presence in the warp. One of the biggest examples of Empy's dickishness is when John meets him before Empy has even made the Primarchs or fully conquered Earth. The scene basically goes like this: >>John is in a feast hall with Empy and a dozen dozen doze other high ranking military people >>Empy shakes his hand and says something to the effect of "We really must discuss the options the future holds for *PEOPLE LIKE US*" To me, this is the biggest representation of Empy's dickishness because even though he doesn't believe in gods or religion he clearly recognizes that he's better than everyone, but the part that makes him a dick is that he acts like it.[/QUOTE] That's kinda in the name. "The Emperor". Not "The President". He and the Shaman before him guided mankind subtly, but mankind continued to fuck up so he was forced to take a more active role. He isn't looking for a combined effort: he gave humanity enough chances with that, and they failed. Now its "my way or the high way". He thinks he knows best because he probably does. [quote]The Emperor made a pact with the Chaos Gods before his conquest even began, he used the powers of the chaos gods to create the Primarchs in promise to conquered the galaxy in the name of Chaos. Its pretty hard to hide something that exists, this is a galatic wide conspiracy you'd be plotting here, Nurgle runs on death and decay and not necessarily war, Slaanesh is pleasures and excess which again is not really war while Khorne is anger mostly and Tzeentch is change, these are core emotions and don't need war to run in. The only way you could destroy chaos is by having humanity, Eldar and other races with emotion to become extinct.[/quote] First, I'm calling BS on the first part. No way in hell the Emperor would make a deal with the chaos gods. Second, I'm fairly certain its said they operate on negative qualities. Death, decay, anger, excess, and change (which is both good and bad). Considering they are the master of daemons, they embody bad things, not good ones. Just because some terms fall under both good and bad doesn't mean they live off both. [quote]The Emperor brought Horus up like his child, he regarded them as his sons, even Robo said he was a terrible father. >He was a terrible father and treated half his sons like shit and even the sons he favoured resented him. >Personally condoned the idea of destroying human civilizations that refused to join him on his crusade of eliminating everyone who was not human, even the peaceful ones who lived in peace alongside them. >Savagely oppressed all psykers because they were dangerous doorways to the Warp. Despite being an Alpha+ psyker himself. >let the Mechanicus be in charge of all Technological Research and Development. You know, instead of spreading it all around. >Opens a web-way gate on HOLY FUCKING TERRA without first thinking that he should invest in some sort of Warp Insulation. >"Forbids all psychic shenanigans that are not strictly sanctioned, acts pissy when Magnus acts out of line whilst he himself is violating reality in his basement. My out look I think the Emperor was a fool and a terrible risk taker who was terribly naive about Chaos in general and under estimated humanities will to be religious. [/quote] In every story of how the Emperor found his sons, he did one thing or another to earn their respect and love. He bonded with Magnus, so it wasn't like Horus was the only one. How the Imperium worked was: offer splinter human civilizations a chance to join, or be destroyed. He oppressed psykers because they ARE dangerous portals to the Warp. He didn't trust average joes to be responsible, its why the Imperium STILL rigidly regulates psykers. Its required for the good of all. Again, its what HE thinks is best. The Mechanicus are what he knew were the best at the job. He opened the webway on Terra yes, and the entire operation was extremely careful and under control until Magnus busted into the (normally secure) Webway, exposing it to the Warp itself. It was safe until Magnus fucked up. And he forbade the use of Librarians because it was what the others wanted, and he believed it was the best action to prevent daemonic possession/general Warp dickery. He got pissed because Magnus: 1: Disobeyed his orders. 2: Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. 3: Destroyed his work to better warp travel through the empire. 4: Opened the webway under the capital of all mankind to the dangers of the Warp. You are a heretic. LIES AND MORE LIES.

[QUOTE=DTkach;32351284] In every story of how the Emperor found his sons, he did one thing or another to earn their respect and love. He bonded with Magnus, so it wasn't like Horus was the only one. How the Imperium worked was: offer splinter human civilizations a chance to join, or be destroyed. He oppressed psykers because they ARE dangerous portals to the Warp. He didn't trust average joes to be responsible, its why the Imperium STILL rigidly regulates psykers. Its required for the good of all. Again, its what HE thinks is best. The Mechanicus are what he knew were the best at the job. He opened the webway on Terra yes, and the entire operation was extremely careful and under control until Magnus busted into the (normally secure) Webway, exposing it to the Warp itself. It was safe until Magnus fucked up. And he forbade the use of Librarians because it was what the others wanted, and he believed it was the best action to prevent daemonic possession/general Warp dickery. He got pissed because Magnus: 1: Disobeyed his orders. 2: Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. 3: Destroyed his work to better warp travel through the empire. 4: Opened the webway under the capital of all mankind to the dangers of the Warp. You are a heretic. LIES AND MORE LIES.[/QUOTE] So the Emprah was a bit like "'Kay, I'm going to perfect Warp travel and insure that we never have to deal with those blasted daemons again!" Then Magnus is all like "Dad! Dad! Look at this picture I drew!" and he fucks up the whole thing. I mean, even if Magnus was telling the Emprah about the betrayal, he still fucked up royally.

[QUOTE=Cone;32351473]So the Emprah was a bit like "'Kay, I'm going to perfect Warp travel and insure that we never have to deal with those blasted daemons again!" Then Magnus is all like "Dad! Dad! Look at this picture I drew!" and he fucks up the whole thing. I mean, even if Magnus was telling the Emprah about the betrayal, he still fucked up royally.[/QUOTE] Yep, that's the gist of it. Hell, he even had in mind that Magnus himself would direct the Astronimicon (which daemons twist into saying Magnus would be a corpse on the golden throne, furthering him toward chaos) and become a center piece to the Imperium. But Magnus ruined all of it. And he didn't even yell at Magnus. When they connected, Magnus was made to understand the scope of his folly, and it broke him. He wasn't driven to despair because the Emperor was sending the wolves after him, he was in despair because he disappointed his father and cost thousands of innocent lives. He actually welcomed the destruction of himself and his legion at first, he believed it just.

So, has anyone here played Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch? Me and my friends had some really good time playing Rogue Trader over Skype. I actually liked it hell of a lot more than D&D because there's no fantasy stuff that I'm not so fond of and because Rogue Trader doesn't really enforce rules which creates very smooth and graphic (if you've got a decent DM...like me) combat. Love it.

[QUOTE=27X;32343692] Wrong. The only fanboy here is you. Necrons and Nids are as powerful as Chaos on home turf, or moreso. Nids own the logistical throughput and activation spectrum of 40K and that's not even up for debate. Necron tech is by far the best and that's not up for debate either. Raw Juju goes to Chaos in the Warp, and that's not up for debate either. There is no supreme power and everything is conditional by design, but whom has the biggest peepee in what area has been rather clearly delineated for over a decade and ain't nothin changed yet. (hint: it's not the Imperium and never has been)[/QUOTE] Go ahead and read some forums with posts from people with Tyranid avatars and Tyrianid sigs, then tell me they aren't often exaggerated. According to them, Tyranids are completely unstoppable and [B]will[/B] win no matter what. Go back and read my post, nowhere did I state they weren't a threat.

[QUOTE=Jack Trades;32351545]So, has anyone here played Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch? Me and my friends had some really good time playing Rogue Trader over Skype. I actually liked it hell of a lot more than D&D because there's no fantasy stuff that I'm not so fond of and because Rogue Trader doesn't really enforce rules which creates very smooth and graphic (if you've got a decent DM...like me) combat. Love it.[/QUOTE] I'm playing PbP DH with a really really good GM at the moment. It's so satisfying to actually finish games, as opposed to having them die. Tends to go faster that something like D&D as well.

[QUOTE=DTkach;32351284]That's kinda in the name. "The Emperor". Not "The President". He and the Shaman before him guided mankind subtly, but mankind continued to fuck up so he was forced to take a more active role. He isn't looking for a combined effort: he gave humanity enough chances with that, and they failed. Now its "my way or the high way". He thinks he knows best because he probably does. [/quote] For someone who has been with humanity from the very beginning, you'd think he'd have a better understanding of humans and whats a good idea and whats bad, he ended up doing a lot of bad things like some sort of class space Hitler and Stalin which resulted in what we have today. Either way the actions he did were pure dickery and asshole attitudes which the writers were trying to portray by representing him with certain Gods in our own history. To be honest it wasn't even humanities fault when everything fell to shit, it was the Eldars and the birth of Slaanesh. Theres no real excuse for his actions because he's pretty self aware of what he's doing. The fact that he is thousands of years old and has lived a life of different occupations, lifestyles, social status and abilities a hundred times over should indicate that he should have more experience with human nature, familial relationships and social problems than anyone else. [quote]First, I'm calling BS on the first part. No way in hell the Emperor would make a deal with the chaos gods.[/quote] They are all warp infused, the Emperor created the Primarchs by combining his DNA with the powers of the Warp. The Emperor was himself a Psyker, indeed the Psyker, and so he made pacts with Chaos to empower the Primarchs. However, the Chaos Gods learned of the Emperors plans, and that he had no intention of working toward their goals, and so stole the Primarchs away into the Warp and scattered them. There is a theory, however, that even this act was part of the Emperors pact with Chaos, a theory supported by the level of psychic wards and defences the Emperor had put in place around the genofactory in which the Primarchs were born. [quote]Second, I'm fairly certain its said they operate on negative qualities. Death, decay, anger, excess, and change (which is both good and bad). Considering they are the master of daemons, they embody bad things, not good ones. Just because some terms fall under both good and bad doesn't mean they live off both.[/quote] It says purely by definition of word what they live off; Slaanesh is the Chaos God of lust, excess, pleasure, perfection and hedonism. Khorne is the Chaos god of anger, violence, and hate. Nurgle represents morbidity, disease and physical corruption. Tzeentch is a God of Chaos who represents the vitality and volatility of change. Doesn't say they live off 'good' versions of these or 'bad' versions because that entirely depends on your opinion and definition of what you define as a pleasure or anger or vitality etc, even then a lot of the Chaos Gods core powers are pretty much universally fundamentalism for most alien races and part of life. [quote]In every story of how the Emperor found his sons, he did one thing or another to earn their respect and love. He bonded with Magnus, so it wasn't like Horus was the only one. How the Imperium worked was: offer splinter human civilizations a chance to join, or be destroyed. He oppressed psykers because they ARE dangerous portals to the Warp. He didn't trust average joes to be responsible, its why the Imperium STILL rigidly regulates psykers. Its required for the good of all. Again, its what HE thinks is best.[/quote] He bonded with a few primarchs and ignored the rest, resulting in jealousy and arrogance and bitterness towards eachother in brotherly feuding and eventually heresy. The whole primarch thing is really to do with daddy issues. [quote]The Mechanicus are what he knew were the best at the job. He opened the webway on Terra yes, and the entire operation was extremely careful and under control until Magnus busted into the (normally secure) Webway, exposing it to the Warp itself. It was safe until Magnus fucked up. And he forbade the use of Librarians because it was what the others wanted, and he believed it was the best action to prevent daemonic possession/general Warp dickery. He got pissed because Magnus: 1: Disobeyed his orders. 2: Killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. 3: Destroyed his work to better warp travel through the empire. 4: Opened the webway under the capital of all mankind to the dangers of the Warp.[/quote] The Mechanicus are a bunch of God worshiping idiots, something apparently the Emperor was against during his glory days. Not only is he an asshole but he's also a hypocrite who rules by what he likes and dislikes at the time, rather than a set of rules, he even goes against his own beliefs of anti religion for soul purpose of politics. As I said earlier, there is a theory that the Emperor knew of the heresy coming along, I mean he's the most powerful pysker in the galaxy after all and even a Eldar psyker foresaw it and tried to heed Fulgrim and his legion, so this leads to more speculation of why he caused all this shit to happen or rather let it happen, maybe he's a secret servant of Tzeentch or maybe he's really trying to ascend to Godhood after all for an actual godwin for mankind, not saying that I think that's bad, but well, Horus was right and so was his visions. Again another problem was the scale of things, the Emperor just couldn't capture all psykers in the galaxy, thats literally impossible or at least incredibly difficult, its kind of like how governments try to monitor drug trafficing in a way, the Emperor allowed psykers at one point and even had marine librarians but then decided to ban them all because he deemed unsafe and would rather keep humanity ignorant from Chaos (which is strange seeing the Emperor is now trying to hold on until humans evolve to be mini Emperors) The reason why The Imperium fell was because of the Imperial Truth and how half its forces fell to the seduction of the Ruinous powers because of the existence of daemons and gods which were denied as fabrications or lies. Building a warp gate on Holy Terra itself was a bad move, he was aware of the risks of doing so but rather just hang out in his ultra cool palace basement with a bunch of his fellow adeptus mechanicus nerds in building a giant golden toilet that breaks into the Eldar warp gate, even then the webways are not safe, some have collapsed and the fact the Emperor thought he could recreate something the Eldar didn't even know how to make (created by the Old Ones after all) was a bit of a joke. Now the Custodian guards have to fight little mini armies of daemons pouring through the warp daily right behind the Emperors throne as he barely holds back the endless wave of daemons. He was also planning for Mangus to sit on his golden toilet and run it for him, idiotic that he kept it secret from him and if he did not maybe one eye wouldn't of sent him a message in the first place and gone about other means.

I didn't know anything about Matt Ward before so I didn't really understand why people hated him so much, then I've read something: [quote]He's also responsible for the fluff in the aforementioned Codex that has caused /tg/ to announce that the Blood Angels and Necrons are totally Super Secret Pony Princess Unicorn Best Friends Forever, seeing as how Matt Ward depicts the two factions teaming up to take down the Tyranids and then peacefully parting ways afterwards. [/quote] [quote][B]Blood Angels and Necrons...two factions teaming up...peacefully parting ways afterwards. [/B][/quote] [quote][highlight]Blood Angels...Necrons...peacefully[/highlight][/quote] I reeeeeeally hope that chan wiki is fucking with me right now because [B]nobody[/B] does this to MY faction! Arghsfjshdfksdhfjsdfswdfdf!

Also everyone is forgetting that the Emperor does what is best for Humanity, and most probably sees the consequences over several thousand years. Killing any human who does not want to join the Imperium might seem extreme at first, but over the years the good balances out the bad a hundred times over.

[QUOTE=Etcetera;32351634]Tends to go faster that something like D&D as well.[/QUOTE] Definitely, W40k roleplays have really smooth combat systems. When I DM, I usually don't even roll damage though, unless it's a special enemy. I just consider the type of weapon fired and provide the most graphically pleasing effect for it. That way the game goes forward faster and everyone is happy. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [quote]Is rumored to be the one to write the Codex: Necrons. Since the Necrons managed to defeat the Ultramarines in a battle once, and the fact that Matt Ward will pretty much fuck over everything he writes about, the Necrons stood in silent horror.[/quote] Someone shoot me so I don't have to witness it myself. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [img_thumb]http://1d4chan.org/images/2/2b/FUCK.jpg[/img_thumb]

I think Chaos and Necrons are actually the biggest threats. I mean they are pretty much the only ones who can revive themselves.

[QUOTE=Antary;32352107]I think Chaos and Necrons are actually the biggest threats. I mean they are pretty much the only ones who can revive themselves.[/QUOTE] There's only two ways to effectively "kill" a Necron, destroying his Tomb Planet and then damaging him enough or having a powerful enough weapon to instantly evaporate him complete. Because when a Necron get's "downed" and he doesn't manage to repair himself, he's instantly teleported to his Tomb Planet (provided there's no Monolith available) where a bunch of Tomb Spyders is ready to repair the shit out of him.

What actually happened to the Squatters were they wiped out or just retconned?

[QUOTE=Antary;32352107]I think Chaos and Necrons are actually the biggest threats. I mean they are pretty much the only ones who can revive themselves.[/QUOTE] Chaos will always be a threat, but not as major as the Tyranids at the moment. Abaddon will never launch a successful black crusade (last time he managed to capture most of the Cadian landmass but since he's so incompetent and armless it'll be retaken). They need to get someone competent in charge. [QUOTE=Jack Trades;32351656]I didn't know anything about Matt Ward before so I didn't really understand why people hated him so much, then I've read something: I reeeeeeally hope that chan wiki is fucking with me right now because [B]nobody[/B] does this to MY faction! Arghsfjshdfksdhfjsdfswdfdf![/QUOTE] When the new Necron codex rolls around, if the rumors are true that part will actually be quite possible, as Lords will have more personality and could conceivably retreat. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Takuat;32352232]What actually happened to the Squatters were they wiped out or just retconned?[/QUOTE] Eaten by Tyranids, but basically they still exist in the fluff but only vaguely. Check out the Demiurg.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;32352380]When the new Necron codex rolls around, if the rumors are true that part will actually be quite possible, as Lords will have more personality and could conceivably retreat. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I've read the rumors but that's still completely nuts. It's like they're making Necrons into evil version of Tau and that's [B]not[/B] why I love Necrons, current codex fluff is why I love Necrons.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;32352380] Eaten by Tyranids, but basically they still exist in the fluff but only vaguely. Check out the Demiurg.[/QUOTE] GW is trying to cut out Squats from all of the fluff. Demiurg are Xeno space heretic short people, and are no true Squats. Also, finally finished the outline of my Chaos Guard Sentinel Picture. I'll post it later.

Think I'm going to start playing properly again, I stopped just before the 5th edition came out. So I'm going to have a lot of reading to do.

/tg/ always has great Ork conversion ideas How about a looted Eldar skimmer tank carried by a pile of Gretchin and has a nob on top swinging his sword in a heroic pose? Or a warboss who is obsessed with a militaristic command structure, so all his boyz wear cadian helmets and many shootas are replaced with lasguns, nobs wear commissar hats, and the warboss himself stands behind the lines smoking a cigar and wearing a massive overcoat.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;32353058]/tg/ always has great Ork conversion ideas How about a looted Eldar skimmer tank carried by a pile of Gretchin and has a nob on top swinging his sword in a heroic pose? [i]Or a warboss who is obsessed with a militaristic command structure, so all his boyz wear cadian helmets and many shootas are replaced with lasguns, nobs wear commissar hats, and the warboss himself stands behind the lines smoking a cigar and wearing a massive overcoat.[/i][/QUOTE] GET GW ON THE PHONE! WE NEED A NOVEL ON THAT!

[QUOTE=Nikota;32353164]GET GW ON THE PHONE! WE NEED A NOVEL ON THAT![/QUOTE] Back agggeess ago there was a Citadel Journal article on just that. I think the background was that the Warboss was impressed by Yarrick so he stole Yarrick's hat in a fight, and started modelling himself and his army on Yarrick. EDIT: [url]http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=24447[/url] Scroll down.

[img]http://demonwinner.free.fr/uk/2008/40k_vehicle_-_bronze.jpg[/img] My favorite Golden Daemon model (got Bronze in the UK 2008 contest in the 40k vehicle class). Techmarine dreadnought is combining two of my most favorite spess mahreen units, the dread and the techmarine.

Dread techmarine sounds like some idea you'd see for a sitcom. "One day Tech marine "X" was busy doing "X" duty and somehow became dreadnought" [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] Now his life will forever be changed.

[QUOTE=aliendrone123;32348763]And yeah, I plan on getting a Russ or something once I get all of that money back. Gonna make another trip back to that comic book store for some paints and brushes (and a codex). Anyone know good painting guides for IG?[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry, i didn't notice that line. Anyway, i suppose it would be good to get a Leman Russ or such, but just a heads up, calculate what your units cost all in all before you get one. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DTkach;32349042]Fucking fuck I go to watch a movie and miss out on a fluff discussion. You have no idea how much of a bro the Emperor is. If there is anyone in 40k that isn't a complete douche, it is the Emprah. His ultimate goal is the survival of the human race: And for the human race to survive, the Ruinous Powers must be destroyed. Since you can't go into the warp and stab them in the face, he figured out that their power was sustained by the violence and other negative emotions of the mortal races. Thus, if complete peace was achieved, the Ruinous Powers would be powerless. Originally he intended to further various old world religions, believing them to be the key to uniting mankind. But then he discovered that with religion, there was only violence and hatred born from it, killing in the name of one god or another, hating other religions, etc. So he said fuck that. He determined that he needed a direct approach in the future of mankind, and revealed himself. That's when he went around and basically annihilated anyone that resisted his ideals: The Imperial Truth, which is the belief in logic and reason. Religion was not tolerated in the slightest as a result. Which is why the current Imperium is full of FUCKING HERETICS. The person who came up with the idea that the Emperor was a god (or, at least, popularized the idea) was the Primarch of the Word Bearers legion, Lorgar. He spread the idea that the Emperor was a god, to the point that one particular world openly practiced it and worshiped him as a god. Promptly the Emperor had the entire city burned to ash by the Ultramarines if I recall correctly. Lorgar was traumatized by this and that's when he turned to FUCKING CHAOS. He believed religion was necessary for humanity to survive, and if the Emperor wasn't going to be his religion, he would find another, in this case the Chaos Gods. So basically, everyone in the Imperium is taking the word of a heretic (Lorgar and his religion) over the word of the ACTUAL god-Emperor (The Emperor and his Imperial Truth). And despite ALL of this, his people rejecting his ideals and even calling the Imperial Truth heresy after a while, he STILL sits in indescribable agony as a virtual corpse just to ensure the safety of mankind. He is not only guiding the Astronomicon, but he is also keeping the damaged Webway from consuming Terra, as well as keeping the Ruinous Powers in check. He is the ultimate bro. Fucking love 40k fluff. There is no short version if you request one you are a heretic.[/QUOTE] You should note that even though he's holding the Imperium together, he was the reason it broke apart. [editline]18th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=gufu;32348327]Alright, I got to the local hobby shop, tonight: 1) Fat Neckbeards, everywhere. In such numbers, never before witnessed by me - even 1d4 has not prepared me for this sight. But hey, at least they were friendly in explaining things, fluff and crunch related. I've got to see a beginning of a game (2 Vs 2, 750 points (I think), IG & CSM VS SM & Eldar). 2) Damn, 40k models are tinny. For some reason I always assumed them to be bigger. Now I know that official pictures of them are taken with damn good lenses. 3) Anyway, my birthday is relatively soon, so I'd like to start an IG army. I want to start with a 500 points one. I'd love to go for semi-mechanised, semi-blob army. Problem is, that store doesn't have much in the way of non-generic Cadian IG stuff (+/- Catachan).[/QUOTE] The employees at the TG/comic book store i go to are rather nice aswell, when i was about to buy Castellan Crowe, the guy at the register said 'Grey Knights, eh?' with a smile. :buddy: Though, what do you mean the models are tiny, have you never seen a model up close in person until you went to that store?

[QUOTE=Etcetera;32353193]Back agggeess ago there was a Citadel Journal article on just that. I think the background was that the Warboss was impressed by Yarrick so he stole Yarrick's hat in a fight, and started modelling himself and his army on Yarrick. EDIT: [url]http://www.the-waaagh.com/forums/?showtopic=24447[/url] Scroll down.[/QUOTE] That's actually amazing, but he really needs to wash down the skin color of the orks. They look way too bright.

[QUOTE=Vasili;32350385]The Emperor is an asshole, though it's possible that Horus was right, Emperor says plenty of shit in the Horus Heresy books; go figure he knew about Horus's betrayal long before Magnus tried to warn him. It would essentially mean he knew the scope of the Heresy and what the end result would be and that either Horus is 100% justified or he was completely wrong. The Emperor in the HH books is basically portrayed as someone separated from his Imperium, pushing people to his goals but not looking at the social impacts he was causing or the bitterness from his sons. You cannot kill the Chaos Gods and thus this was the Emperors mistake, he was over confident, Chaos Gods run on emotions and not necessarily warfare. There are just some things that make me wonder if the Emperor really was that great. He destroyed an entire world that worshiped him mistakenly by his son who demanded that it be done and has eliminated every human faction that lived peacefully with Xenos. Every single one. It's weird because he states that his Great Crusade was intended to free humans from the oppression of Aliens for mankind's survival yet there's indication that human societies were surviving without his help. In the books he comes across as a self centred egotistical megalomaniac, who has a penchant for bringing war to whoever he pleases and makes planets fold before him with an iron will to serve his own gains and not for the benefit of the imperium as a whole. The Emperor was a fool to think he could literally make the entire human race across the galaxy atheist and just pretend Chaos did not exist, he didn't give much father and son time with most of his primarch sons and thus created his own doom (or just as planned) he was completely reckless about it. What you think of the Emperor really depends on your outlook, its not black or white. If the Emperor wasn't all "JUST KEEP MOVING, IGNORE THE CRACKS THEY'LL FIX THEMSELVES IN THE END" then it would of gone a lot better, maybe if he wasn't such a secrets whore Horus would of not been led into heresy in the first place. Emperor is nothing but another Chaos sorceror, he added absolutely nothing of benefit to mankind, scavenged technology from better civilizations than his own backward Imperium, and slaughtered entire races because, well, because maybe they were nasty to mankind during the Long Night? Who cares, kill all Xenos without provocation as a standing order.[/QUOTE] All we can say is that he had good intentions but bad methods, i suppose. [QUOTE=Antary;32352107]I think Chaos and Necrons are actually the biggest threats. I mean they are pretty much the only ones who can revive themselves.[/QUOTE] Chaos can revive themselves? I noticed how [sp]Eliphas had been revived in DoW2: Chaos Rising[/sp], but i didn't know that Chaos could revive themselves. So, care to tell how it works? Does Nurgle fill you with some plague-infested flies in order to 'heal you' or such? [QUOTE=thrawn2787;32349729]He accepted daemon powers before? Still either way this is the way the scenario seems to have played out: Magnus: "I SEE MY BROTHERS DOING HORRIBLE THINGS I MUST WARN MY FATHER ==Soon after, on Terra== Magnus busts through the golden throne: "OH YEAH" Thousands die from the explosion and psychic wave Magnus: "Dad please list-" Emperor: "omg magnus you act like i even care time for you to die" I mean if the Emperor is supposed to be god, and supposed to be perfect and flawless, why could he not see all of this coming? Or at the very least listen to his son[/QUOTE] If anything that's pissed me off about the Emperor, it's how he was an absolute ass to Magnus, i mean really, he sends Leman Russ to destroy the Thousand Sons homeworld (and honestly, if you read about the Thousand Sons, it's like they get their asses handed to them in every battle, which sucks.) and didn't even heed Magnus's warning about Horus becoming a traitor.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;32355195]Chaos can revive themselves? I noticed how [sp]Eliphas had been revived in DoW2: Chaos Rising[/sp], but i didn't know that Chaos could revive themselves. So, care to tell how it works? Does Nurgle fill you with some plague-infested flies in order to 'heal you' or such? [/QUOTE] Well, Eliphas was brought back via the power of plot, but what I assume he meant is that Daemons, like Necrons, simply return to their home (the warp, in this case), to gather their strength before returning, eventually, to kill more things.

Also Khayos gods can revive people, apparently.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;32355195] Chaos can revive themselves? I noticed how [sp]Eliphas had been revived in DoW2: Chaos Rising[/sp], but i didn't know that Chaos could revive themselves. So, care to tell how it works? Does Nurgle fill you with some plague-infested flies in order to 'heal you' or such? [/QUOTE] As a being of the warp you arent 'dead' when slain in the materium, you are just banished. As long as you are some sort of Warp being you are pretty much immortal unless destroyed in the Warp, and even then you aren't completely erased (Unless you are Horus).

Something about their souls going into the warp and if they don't eat them then they can just live in the warp until they are summoned or whatever.