Was checking the Lexicanum because I never really understood and never got to imagine how a hive fleed would look like
Holy mother of god the tyranids are freaking stupid look at those bio ships!
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What if the Emperor stop dying out and the Imperium of Man get some serious technological help from the Omnissiah?
Tzeentch planned that as well?
While Khorne rages in the background.
[QUOTE=Joxalot;32405086]Was checking the Lexicanum because I never really understood and never got to imagine how a hive fleed would look like
Holy mother of god the tyranids are freaking stupid look at those bio ships!
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What if the Emperor stop dying out and the Imperium of Man get some serious technological help from the Omnissiah?
Tzeentch planned that as well?
While Khorne rages in the background.[/QUOTE]
If something happens, you can bet your boots Tzeentch planned it to. The only possible exception to this is the Emprah, solely because he's fucking awesome and at this point it'd be weird if he was anything less than a special rule to take into account.
So I guess anything big happening to the universe [I]would[/I] be planned for - just Tzeentch would be fucked anyway, since the Emprah can kill anything.
The Emperor is Tzeentch
[QUOTE=Joxalot;32405086]What if the Emperor stop dying out and the Imperium of Man get some serious technological help from the Omnissiah?
Tzeentch planned that as well?
While Khorne rages in the background.[/QUOTE]
The Void Dragon would not help the Imperium.
And the Emperor is a god-like being. The Chaos Gods are ACTUAL GODS. Even if he came back and learned to shit bullets he wouldn't be able to kill them. In the warp they are invincible and eternal.
[QUOTE=Joxalot;32405142]The Emperor is Tzeentch[/QUOTE]
[B][U]HERESY[/U][/B]
Not necessarily.
If the Nids Nec or Orks were to somehow win, Chaos is fucked; no amount of Tzeentch lying about his creation/embodiment will change that.
But the emperor would continue his quest in spreading peace and harmony throughout the galaxy, therefore weaking them.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32405215]The Void Dragon would not help the Imperium.
And the Emperor is a god-like being. The Chaos Gods are ACTUAL GODS. Even if he came back and learned to shit bullets he wouldn't be able to kill them. In the warp they are invincible and eternal.[/QUOTE]
He'd find some way to do it. He's more immune to damage than Duke Nukem, smarter than Einstein, and faster than yo momma. I'm sure that would help a great deal, if he could tell everybody to stop being xenophobic and instead to be entirely atheistic.
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[QUOTE=Joxalot;32405248]But the emperor would continue his quest in spreading peace and harmony throughout the galaxy, therefore weaking them.[/QUOTE]
[U][B]Just as planned.[/B][/U]
[QUOTE=Cone;32405257]He'd find some way to do it. He's more immune to damage than Duke Nukem, smarter than Einstein, and faster than yo momma. I'm sure that would help a great deal, if he could tell everybody to stop being xenophobic and instead to be entirely atheistic.[/QUOTE]
Immune to damage? Horus, Chaos' chosen mortal, nearly killed him. What do you think a manifestation of an actual chaos god would do?
Also, the Imperium wasn't xenophobic until after he was entombed and began thinking of him as a god.
Okay, so someone answer me this
[sp]Not only did Captain Titus have direct contact with the warp, but he decided the best course of action would be to take the impossibly powerful warp artifact [I]directly into Ultramarines space for storage.[/I] What, does he think the fucking Ultramarines wouldn't use it? The Ultramarines whose chapter master [I]wields fucking daemonic weapons taken from the corpse of a chaos lord?[/I]
I'm totally on fucking Leandros' side. Titus is arrogant, prideful, and powerful. If he wasn't controlled by Matt Ward's invisible puppet strings from beyond, he probably would fuck things up eventually. What if it did exactly what Titus said it might do, and when the Librarian came in contact with it it opened a portal to the warp, or corrupted his soul or some other warp wizardry?
Even if you think the Inquisition fucked up, at least they know what the hell it is. At least they might know how to destroy it or how to store it. Or hell, maybe even use it. It seemed pretty damn useful to me, besides the whole attracting daemons thing.
And even then, if you REALLY don't want the Ordo Xenos to have it, give it to a different branch of the Inquisition. I'm pretty sure the incorruptible Grey Knights could use a super powerful warp power source.[/sp]
Okay, rant over.
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[QUOTE=DTkach;32405277]Immune to damage? Horus, Chaos' chosen mortal, nearly killed him. What do you think a manifestation of an actual chaos god would do?
Also, the Imperium wasn't xenophobic until after he was entombed and began thinking of him as a god.[/QUOTE]
1. That was because Horus [I]was[/I] empowered by all of the forces of chaos. And even then it only worked because the Emperor didn't fight back.
2. Nope. They pretty much always hated the xenos.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32405277]Immune to damage? Horus, Chaos' chosen mortal, nearly killed him. What do you think a manifestation of an actual chaos god would do?
Also, the Imperium wasn't xenophobic until after he was entombed and began thinking of him as a god.[/QUOTE]
1. He wasn't fighting back, it took all the Chaos Gods to wound him - whilst he's standing still, mind you - and even if there he were able to be wounded, he [I][B]fucking hates[/B][/I] Chaos. I'd imagine his seething rage would help him an awful lot, as well as the fact that humanity's basically fucked without him. So that would probably help a lot.
2. I know, that's what I was saying. If he was risen, then he could re-direct them.
[QUOTE=Fussy!;32393737]The only 30 survivors of the first possession in the Eye of Terror.
30 out of a entire company survived possession and were "chosen" by Lorgar and their Daemon guide.[/QUOTE]
Corax killed a large majority of them at the Drop Site Massacre, so now there are very few, perhaps even a single-digit number of these First Heretics
Corax whipped them good, hm?
This was on /tg/:
[QUOTE]By very nature, Khorne is self destructive. Khornite, caring not from where the blood flows and being axe crazy maniacs will, when denied an enemy for any reason kill themselves in fits of teamkilling. A notable trait of being dead is an inability to kill other people, thus meaning less blood is spilt in in his name. Ergo, Khorne is his own worst enemy and his forces suffer due to any delay. [/QUOTE]
My mind is full of fuck.
The question then becomes can you serve Khorne better in your death than you would in life. Will your brutal and bloody death give him more power than you could ever provide in life? He has self destructive elements but there is far more to build him up than there is destroying him, it is the risk of being the blood god but he is doing rather well really.
Also if I was to follow Chaos there is no doubt it would be Khorne. Maybe not a fanatically devout follower but most certainly following him more than anyone else.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32405467]The question then becomes can you serve Khorne better in your death than you would in life. Will your brutal and bloody death give him more power than you could ever provide in life? He has self destructive elements but there is far more to build him up than there is destroying him, it is the risk of being the blood god but he is doing rather well really.
Also if I was to follow Chaos there is no doubt it would be Khorne. Maybe not a fanatically devout follower but most certainly following him more than anyone else.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't he get less blood from directly killing people, though? If they're dead, it's not like they can get back up again. Once they're dead, that's a skull in his throne - so would it not make more sense to be less a god of war, but a god of slow, methodical torture?
For a god, he's awfully inefficient.
Slahneesh isn't efficient, either - the more people suffer/enjoy, the more they get used to it. But there is a certain limit, where they finally unable to suffer/enjoy no more, thus causing hem (Slahneesh) to loosen.
[QUOTE=gufu;32405580]Slahneesh isn't efficient, either - the more people suffer/enjoy, the more they get used to it. But there is a certain limit, where they finally unable to suffer/enjoy no more, thus causing hem (Slahneesh) to loosen.[/QUOTE]
That's more efficient than just getting the one skull, compared to the many things someone can feel before they become bored of it. In fact, that's why I proposed the torture approach in the first place - if you're after blood, then you can get a lot and farm it before the victim dies from the pain.
[QUOTE=Cone;32405532]Wouldn't he get less blood from directly killing people, though? If they're dead, it's not like they can get back up again. Once they're dead, that's a skull in his throne - so would it not make more sense to be less a god of war, but a god of slow, methodical torture?
For a god, he's awfully inefficient.[/QUOTE]
Because it's not about pain, it's about death and destruction and combat. Skulls are already a renewable resource with humans multiplying faster than you can kill them so what does it matter if they aren't a constant source.
Tzeentch is weak and relies on subterfuge to achieve anything with his minimal power, Slaanesh ruins himself from vanity poisoning his own power, Nurgle only survives from resilience being his core power. Khorne may be foolish and lacking in a long term plan but he is the greatest of all of them and is the muscle and drive of chaos without which there would be no chaos.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;32405602]Because it's not about pain, it's about death and destruction and combat. Skulls are already a renewable resource with humans multiplying faster than you can kill them so what does it matter if they aren't a constant source.
Tzeentch is weak and relies on subterfuge to achieve anything with his minimal power, Slaanesh ruins himself from vanity poisoning his own power, Nurgle only survives from resilience being his core power. Khorne may be foolish and lacking in a long term plan but he is the greatest of all of them and is the muscle and drive of chaos without which there would be no chaos.[/QUOTE]
There would undoubtedly still be killings, just not as many.
And Tzeentch is all-powerful - just not as powerful as he thinks. That's how you stop him.
[QUOTE=Cone;32405598]That's more efficient than just getting the one skull, compared to the many things someone can feel before they become bored of it. In fact, that's why I proposed the torture approach in the first place - if you're after blood, then you can get a lot and farm it before the victim dies from the pain.[/QUOTE]
What would empower the gods more? A Slaanesh cultist fucking himself with a dragon dildo, a Nurgle cultist replacing his vital organs with maggots, a Tzeentch cultist slightly changing the way things are done or a Khorne cultist slaughtering everyone they can. The power Khorne gains from death is far greater than anything the other gods gain so there being more people having sex than killing one another is made up for by the ones killing each other pleasing the gods far more.
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[QUOTE=Cone;32405621]There would undoubtedly still be killings, just not as many.
And Tzeentch is all-powerful - just not as powerful as he thinks. That's how you stop him.[/QUOTE]
Tzeentch knows the past and the present but knows little of the future. He stumbles in the dark with plans within plans shifting things slightly so they may change something in the future.
You stop him by doing the unexpected and wrecking as many plans as you can. You cannot destroy all of them, but you can still fuck him up.
[QUOTE=Cone;32405331]1. He wasn't fighting back, it took all the Chaos Gods to wound him - whilst he's standing still, mind you - and even if there he were able to be wounded, he [I][B]fucking hates[/B][/I] Chaos. I'd imagine his seething rage would help him an awful lot, as well as the fact that humanity's basically fucked without him. So that would probably help a lot.
2. I know, that's what I was saying. If he was risen, then he could re-direct them.[/QUOTE]
Could the Emperor strike down Horus if he wasn't holding back? Yes. But that doesn't mean Horus couldn't kill him, he could. And Horus is debateably less powerful then various Greater Daemons, let alone their patron gods. So he is strong, but he is not invincible.
[QUOTE=DTkach;32405738]Could the Emperor strike down Horus if he wasn't holding back? Yes. But that doesn't mean Horus couldn't kill him, he could. And Horus is debateably less powerful then various Greater Daemons, let alone their patron gods. So he is strong, but he is not invincible.[/QUOTE]
He's very, very strong. Not invincible, but who is in such a [B]GRIMDARK[/B] age? He's also very, very smart, very, very fast, and generally as unstoppable as an FPS protagonist.
I don't think Chaos stands a chance if he's ressurected. Hell, if he wasn't so skeletal, you could probably just lop off one of his arms and swing it about randomly, that's bound to do some damage.
Debating the ->rational<- effectiveness of the Chowss Gawds is pretty null.
1. They're literal gods.
2. They're ALL fucking boxoffrogsbatshit crazy, including Tzeentch.
The emperor by way of rage-fit made the gods shit their pants and flee, including Khorne.
No small feat.
Not sure if that would extend to home turf absolutism.
you're dumb.
@cone
[QUOTE=Joxalot;32405142]The Emperor is Tzeentch[/QUOTE]
THATS WHAT HE WANTS YOU TO THINK!
[QUOTE=Hoboharry;32397321]As unclean as it is to be a follower of Nurgle, i think he's still the best Chaos god.
Which brings up the subject, who's your favorite Chaos god?[/QUOTE]
Tzeentch > Khorne > Slaneesh
Tzeentch as long as I won't get fucked up and turn into a horror
Khorne's pretty cool; Pretty cool armors and weapons, the actual downside is the fact that you'll get transformed into a mindless rambo.
Slaneesh is "O.K", as long as you don't have any business with it's daemons (I mean like...it's a herm...but like in a totally not functional way...)
But all that stuff's heresy and all, you all should go and burn in a purging fire.
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Also I need some god damn inspiration with my marines, I've got 3 "regular" tactical mehreens unpainted, 3 legion of the damned units and a Dark Angels company master.
I had this crazy "inspirational rush" few months ago and managed to paint few detailed marines.
Oh and I don't play the tabletop (I know the rules and stuff, but I never found any company to play it with), so I just paint. :zoid:
[QUOTE=valiant nbd;32405833]you're dumb.
@cone[/QUOTE]
If you want your insults to be effective, you have to know what a reply button is. You apparently don't.
shutup
@cone
[QUOTE=Funguzz;32406644]Tzeentch > Khorne > Slaneesh
Tzeentch as long as I won't get fucked up and turn into a horror
Khorne's pretty cool; Pretty cool armors and weapons, the actual downside is the fact that you'll get transformed into a mindless rambo.
Slaneesh is "O.K", as long as you don't have any business with it's daemons (I mean like...it's a herm...but like in a totally not functional way...)
But all that stuff's heresy and all, you all should go and burn in a purging fire.
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Also I need some god damn inspiration with my marines, I've got 3 "regular" tactical mehreens unpainted, 3 legion of the damned units and a Dark Angels company master.
I had this crazy "inspirational rush" few months ago and managed to paint few detailed marines.
Oh and I don't play the tabletop (I know the rules and stuff, but I never found any company to play it with), so I just paint. :zoid:[/QUOTE]
Put some plasticard and green stuff on them, make some t4c71c00l tactical marines.
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