[QUOTE=27X;32751094]No, most IG equip is CONTEXTUALLY equivalent to modern day fighting forces.[/QUOTE]
That is, downright lethal to modern day soldiers.
[QUOTE=Cone;32746007]Everything has a machine spirit. It's actually kind of sad when you think about all the discarded weapons you find in video games.[/QUOTE]
Then...the blood ravens have a machine spirit fetish?
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
Name one modern military that can beat a fucking IG sentinel. Yeah you fucking cant.
The machine spirit is really just a low level A.I system with a very low level personality system, this is the doing of the Men of Stone who also created the Men of Iron which were envisioned by the void dragon (this is why the Men of Iron look suspiciously similar to Necrons). The Emperor beat up the Void Dragon, imprisoned him on Mars where he would send visions to the people living there, inspiring the DAoT, and later the Adeptus Mechanicus. He therefore knew about the Age of Strife and allowed it to happen because it was the only way for mankind to survive. I digress though, the A.I personality is not completely correct from the comic, they aren't really intelligent or aware.
[QUOTE=Nikota;32751901]Then...the blood ravens have a machine spirit fetish?
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
Name one modern military that can beat a fucking IG sentinel. Yeah you fucking cant.[/QUOTE]
An ICBM.
The Death Korps Of Krieg are pretty cool
[QUOTE=Salricci;32752239]The Death Korps Of Krieg are pretty cool[/QUOTE]
this is a known fact
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;32752302]this is a known fact[/QUOTE]
A regiment of Ratlings could kick their ass.
[QUOTE=Nikota;32752393]A regiment of Runts could kick their ass.[/QUOTE] BUT THEY HAVE METAL BAWXES
Ancient drawing I was working on. I still kinda like it, but it still needs work and I don't have much time to draw anymore.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/campaigntest.png[/img]
Plus I can't color for shit.
[QUOTE=Salricci;32752867]BUT THEY HAVE METAL BAWXES[/QUOTE]
I have a box for you. :downs:
[QUOTE=Salricci;32752867]BUT THEY HAVE METAL BAWXES[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Because Drunk Midgets have Metal Bawxes.
Go eat some dirt and die of malnutrition.
[QUOTE=Nikota;32753441]Yeah. Because Drunk Midgets have Metal Bawxes.
Go eat some dirt and die of malnutrition.[/QUOTE] It was just a joke,you dont got to be a dick about it
So tomorrow we're playing our yearly zombie game. It's me, Space marines, and My friend, Space marines, vs the Munchkin, Grey knights, and my other friend, Orks. What makes us have the advantage over the other side is that with the custom set up no unit can have more than 10 models in it (Screwing over orks) and no pyker powers can be used (Screwing over Grey Knights). And because the game only requires 1 troop choice I took a tactical squad (Sarge with bolter, flamer, missile launcher), A captain with a power sword, and a command squad (3 with power weapon and and plasma pistol, 1 with meltagun, 1 apothecary).
[QUOTE=Zeroarmorclo;32755025]So tomorrow we're playing our yearly zombie game. It's me, Space marines, and My friend, Space marines, vs the Munchkin, Grey knights, and my other friend, Orks. What makes us have the advantage over the other side is that with the custom set up no unit can have more than 10 models in it (Screwing over orks) and no pyker powers can be used (Screwing over Grey Knights). And because the game only requires 1 troop choice I took a tactical squad (Sarge with bolter, flamer, missile launcher), A captain with a power sword, and a command squad (3 with power weapon and and plasma pistol, 1 with meltagun, 1 apothecary).[/QUOTE]
Where do the zombies come into play?
[QUOTE=red_pharoah;32740665]How did the "tactical genius hurr" meme start?[/QUOTE]
You called.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ngJw6.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Sirdrone536;32742551]If Tyranids and Necrons Fuse, we are doomed[/QUOTE]
Undead bug machines that consume all life? [i]Only a tactical genius could stop such a force...[/i]
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;32743182]Ah, alright. Thanks for the tips. I just read someone on another forum doing something like that but I wasn't sure. I just wanted to paint and put some Carbines into the hands of a couple of Fire Warriors.
I was kind of waiting though. Because aren't the Tau getting a new codex along with Necrons, except GW isn't saying anything about it? So I thought I'd just get the new one.
Pic related.
[t]http://filesmelt.com/dl/1318425533822.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the pic, added to my endless W40k supply.
[QUOTE=Kartoffel;32743518]As it stands, GW is not working on a new Tau codex yet. And if they are, it's not going to be released for a while. The Tau Codex is still on their website.[/QUOTE]
Word from the same guy I was talking about earlier: Tau codex is due early next year.
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As awesome as this sounds I hope they don't put it in, I don't want my sweet Necrons becoming the next Grey Knights.[/QUOTE]
fuckfuckfuck I use Tyranids
[QUOTE=goon165;32749735]those are some nice relics you have there, I'd be a shame if somethi-...
[B]BLOOOOOOOOOOD RAAAAAAAAAAAAVENSSSSSSSSS![/B][/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/kENk1.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Salricci;32752867]BUT THEY HAVE METAL BAWXES[/QUOTE]
[url=http://imgur.com/XX5u4]Okay, I'm just gonna link it this time.[/url]
Unbiased match-up wall of text incoming.
[QUOTE=Vasili;32745734]
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11648828/lemanruss.png[/img]
Looks superior to me.[/QUOTE]
You do realise that 150mm frontal armour is on the level as a WW2/early Cold War era tank right? Modern day tanks have armour ranging at about 400mm in equivalent protection, and thats not even getting started on all the types of ceramic armour, ERA and other active defence systems you see. Not to mention all of the advanced systems inside. Leman Russ tanks don't even have thermal, and auspexs are frankly shit. Oh, and the gun ona regular Russ is really low velocity, judging by the barrel length, probably short ranged, compared again to modern tanks which can fire out to 3km with their regular AP type rounds, and hit up to 12km with ATMGs fired from the barrel. Many modern fighting vehicles are also nuke, chem, bio etc proof. The article mentions plasteel armour, I'm assuming thats extremely similar to modern ceramic armour. So again, 400mm>180mm
Lasguns have an effective range of about half that of modern day assault rifles (Sourced in gaunts ghosts, armour of contempt perhaps) , and while most rifles might not blow off limbs, you're not getting back up if you get hit by one any time soon. One thing they do have going for them is their ammunition, lots of shots from one power pack and you can recharge them fairly easily too.
Modern day airpower seems to trump Imperial Aviation which is WW2 style getting up close and personal with cannon/las fire, modern day jets rely more on their missiles, which can reach out and fuck you from many, many miles away. Not to mention none of the atmospheric aircraft in Imperial use would work/be able to turn in a dogfight without falling to pieces[sp]butwhogivesafucktheyreawesome[/sp]
Training? Depends entirely on the regiments deployed, but military thinking is vastly different here too. Most tactics used by IG forces other than human wave stuff is somewhat similar to early cold war/WW2 infantry tactics. Apart from the huge epic battles you see on the artworkfluff, theres not much in terms of proper combined arms going on, probably because of how the guard itself is structured with its system of regiments. Fireteams and squads are seeing a rise, integrated support etc. Modern tactics often revolve around "keep their heads down till we can shell/bomb the shit out of them". If the modern forces had air superiority, they'd be able to hurt the IG a whole load, and Hyra's aren't gonna cut it verses modern jets. Also with helicopters modern armies would have significantly more maneuverability on the field, Valkyries sort of fill out this role but you don't really see them deployed in the same way or in the same numbers that helicopters are. Also the Guard loves to promote idiots and incompetents into high ranking jobs, which doesn't do them any favours really.
Titans. Nuff' said.
The Imperium never seems to deploy maritime forces, probably because they think they're a waste of time, but until they find a way of taking out the aircraft carriers, submarines and other surface ships spewing out missiles and aircraft, they're in for a rough time trying to fight a war. I'd expect some PDFs might have a traditional navy, but you cant really take them to another planet and drop them out of orbit into an ocean. But they should because that would be fucking amazing.
And finally, artillery, for the IG seems pretty basic but hey, artillery is artillery, while most armies might field extremely advanced pieces with a plethora of shell types to do various things, I'd bet that the IG can field more of them and blow the shit out of just about anything they please. From the looks of things the Basilisk is like 150-200mms which is pretty much on par with modern day shell sizes.
If for some reason there was a modern day earth beset upon by Imperial forces, of course, they'd get fucked. But if for some reason the IG decided to face off in land combat, it wouldn't really be a steam-roll for either side. But in the end someone is gonna get virus bombed and it isnt going to be the Imperials. Probably.
So uhm. I put grass on my first model and it turned out GREAT. It sticks up straight like real grass.
But on my second it's all flat and stuck down. What did I do wrong? Too much glue or?
[QUOTE=Salricci;32753970]It was just a joke,you dont got to be a dick about it[/QUOTE]
I take pride in my use of drunk midgets. Much like Creed takes pride in a straight up fight.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;32755365]Unbiased match-up wall of text incoming.
.[/QUOTE]
150mm Armor of a fictional composite material from the future. I'm going to go ahead and say that the 150mm of this is more effective than any modern material even at 400mm.
Tactics and training is regimental subjective, generally depends on the regimental specialty and how quickly it can be reinforced.
Maritime wouldn't even matter. The Imperial Navy would have orbital control. Doesn't matter what's on the sea when you can destroy anything from space. They could easily sink aircraft carriers with a few lance strikes. Orbital strikes are slightly inaccurate, but that's why they're not used often, because they're going to destroy the target and everything around it, but if it has no tactial value or isn't needed, orbital bombardment away.
Oh and dont forget the IG/Space marines throwing weapons/explosives.
Its just a composite metal, just because its "from the future" doesn't make it more effective. Judging by what Leman Russ tanks are killed by (simple cannons, rockets etc), I'd say it's effectiveness isn't really on par with Dorchester.
And I was only comparing what could be compared. You can't compare the Imperial Navy to anything in the modern world, because nothing like it exists. Its a hypothetical conflict, like I said, in a proper war this modern force would be completely butt-fucked anyway.
One thing I didn't mention was the effect of lascannons and other high level las weaponry on modern tank armour. It would probably eat right through it, but las weaponry is also short (compared to to other modernweapons) ranged.
I just realized something. If in space marine the air was clear for a while, why didnt Titus just call in a thunderhawk? Could he literally not wait 5 minutes?
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
im talking about the part with the on rails heavy bolter shoot out.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;32755365]
You do realise that 150mm frontal armour is on the level as a WW2/early Cold War era tank right? Modern day tanks have armour ranging at about 400mm in equivalent protection, and thats not even getting started on all the types of ceramic armour, ERA and other active defence systems you see. Not to mention all of the advanced systems inside. Leman Russ tanks don't even have thermal, and auspexs are frankly shit. Oh, and the gun ona regular Russ is really low velocity, judging by the barrel length, probably short ranged, compared again to modern tanks which can fire out to 3km with their regular AP type rounds, and hit up to 12km with ATMGs fired from the barrel. Many modern fighting vehicles are also nuke, chem, bio etc proof. The article mentions plasteel armour, I'm assuming thats extremely similar to modern ceramic armour. So again, 400mm>180mm[/quote]
A well placed Leman Russ shot has been known to bring down a titan. Plasteel is terminator armour, basically and anyone can make thicker armour or longer barrel guns, does not make them technologically superior. Many modern tanks are nuke and chem and bio proof by our standards of what these are, 40k bio, chem and exterminatus weaponry are on a completely different scale as well as the fact that the life support on these tanks are only temporary compared to a Leman Russ's run-on-anything and incredibly easy to produce and can destroy a titan if need be? That's superior: firepower isn't everything, unless you believe the Tau are more advanced than the Imperium or something.
[quote]Lasguns have an effective range of about half that of modern day assault rifles (Sourced in gaunts ghosts, armour of contempt perhaps)[/quote]
Autoguns are always listed as weaker than Lasguns in Eisenhorn, Ravenor etc - even rulebooks, and most autoguns are designed like pretty much every gun out there, even a 50 cal.
[quote]The Imperium never seems to deploy maritime forces, probably because they think they're a waste of time, but until they find a way of taking out the aircraft carriers, submarines and other surface ships spewing out missiles and aircraft, they're in for a rough time trying to fight a war. I'd expect some PDFs might have a traditional navy, but you cant really take them to another planet and drop them out of orbit into an ocean. But they should because that would be fucking amazing.[/quote]
All the Imperium needs to do is call up the Imperial Navy to destroy all important enemy military positions, that is why there are no naval battles because each planet has their own navy guarding it, we can't really talk about maritime forces in the Imperium due to the fact I don't think there has every been any listed fluff about them. On your argument about jets? Ciaphas Cain hopped on board a Imperial Valkyrie and traveled to another continent on the other-side of a earth sized planet in less than 30 minuets, as I said Imperial technology may LOOK crude but its powerful and very reliable compared to modern technology.
[editline]13th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=LordLoss;32755818]Its just a composite metal, just because its "from the future" doesn't make it more effective. Judging by what Leman Russ tanks are killed by (simple cannons, rockets etc), I'd say it's effectiveness isn't really on par with Dorchester.
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there is technology today that has the ability to make fabrics and materials incredibly tough, even ways to make steel almost impenetrable.
Plasteel is mixed with ceramic materials to make terminator armour, which sounds a lot like the process for Chobham/Dorchester armour.
Longer barrels on tanks count for a lot, not due to technology but physics in general. The shorter the barrel, the less accuracy and less penetrative power the shell fired has. Hence vanquishers, long barrels.
Autoguns may have a weaker shot, but I remember in one of the GG novels, the effective range of a lasgun is about 300m, I doubt they train guardsmen how to hit at ranges like that.
I dont doubt a lucky LR shot can take out a Titan, even those have weakspots. But a battlecannon is just a very simple point and shoot cannon, nothing like the guns on modern tanks.
Which Cain book is that? I'm reading them all right now. Valkyries may be fast but like I said they don't really get deployed as much as helicopters do.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;32734036]Pretty sure most Guardsmen die hiding in a trench hoping that the chaos space marine doesn't put him on his list of things to fuck up that day.[/QUOTE]
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Think I might play more Dark Crusade. Should I play as another race? In my ~30 hours of playing I have never strayed away from spehss mareens.
[QUOTE=imadaman;32756896][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12875849/reactions/1254421.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE]
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Yes, does the Commissar gets shot, too?
[img]http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/b/bd/Imperial_eagle.jpg[/img]
Also, I'm cutting this shit out on a scroll saw in my woodshop class. My teacher saw it, and went "is this some kind of nerd Nazi thing?"
[QUOTE=imadaman;32756896][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/12875849/reactions/1254421.jpeg[/img][/QUOTE]
Reading these with the dramatical guardsmen voice from Dawn of War 1 only makes them funnier
[QUOTE=gufu;32757120][IMG]http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i446/mariiahh14/MR4.jpg[/IMG]
Yes, does the Commissar gets shot, too?[/QUOTE]
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