Warhammer 40k: Megathread V1 - FOR THE EMPEROR - Games

[QUOTE=Joxalot;33032669]I found a friend irl that can DM a Dark Heresy. One of the previous sessions the group ended falling from something to an abandoned shaft to find themselves trapped with a nurgle demon in front of them. They all died, cept for the IG, that was too busy fighting the deamon in hand-to-sword battle because his bayonet broken on the fall.[/QUOTE] Great. Here's the current list of those who want to try out Dark Heresy: Vasili Wraithcat Fussy Zezibesh Mombasa Maximo13 - possible GM A Glitch darkrei9n Takuat Matt PL Nikota Fippe PunchedInFac Scar Slacker101 jackattack Cam00 Da_Arwin - possible GM

For what it's worth, the imperial bureaucracy is horribly inefficent (remember, it stretches over thousands upon thousands of worlds and has no standardisation) and every codex and whatever is written from an imperial POV Hell, most of what is called facts in the universe is information passed on through word of mouth and only later written down, and I assume everyone knows that information gets mixed up on the way. This explains why a Leman Russ sometimes can shrug off even the heaviest of artillery, and then sometimes even throwing a single knife on it can completely obliterate it. There will be no solid truth in WH40k, because nothing is really true there :v: I mean, the imperium doesn't even have the scientific method : How can you expect them to even see if what is said about X being right?

[QUOTE=Indyclone77;33036553]The void dragon better be alive or the fluff is ruined[/QUOTE] If the Void Dragon is dead, the Imperium will probably go into a second dark age of technology.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33035830]The problem is you keep complaining, its not like you've voiced your opinion once or twice, but multiple times and its getting obnoxious. Back in my hobby day change was accepted, may not like it but we rolled with the punches, we didn't shout and vent and cry over something we wouldn't be able to change back or continuously bitch about it. Giving Necrons a voice rather than them being another mindless legion of slaves makes them more interesting, what is interesting about robots that go around killing everyone for the pure sake of killing? The only times I'm aware of GW changing things due to public opinion, was a Dark Elf FAQ/errata mostly done by the community, which was given the thumbs up by the author of the Army Book and published in White Dwarf. And a note in the 4th ed Tyranid FAQ, which altered synapse-based ID immunity to be from st8 weapons only, which was changed back to all strength-based ID after a spontaneous storm of outrage swept through the internet.[/QUOTE] I'm okay with necrons being able to talk. I'm okay with necrons having personality. I'm okay with necrons having goals and dreams. But I'm not okay with necrons being friendly and human-like morals. The difference with this change is that not only lore is affected, but their entire atmosphere surrounding them. It's like making space marines open-minded. There have been retcons and what not, but it never changed the factions that much. Chaos is still chaos, eldar is still eldar and the dark eldar is also still dark eldar, etc. Necrons are just not what they used, heartless and soulless, as well being full of hate towards the living. Like someone said earlier, a necron lord spared a space marine in the new fluff (pictures included). Last I recall, necrons killed everything on sight without mercy or remorse. As for last line, yeah, we're DoW kiddies, and you know what, we're drawn in by the atmosphere and lore of 40k, not because of some schmancy "space" marine and what not. Anyone (who doesn't play anything 40k related) these days would look at 40k, and either say "it's cool looking" or "cheesy", while others would claim it's a ripoff. I mean really, "space marines"?. And look at the tyranids, I thought THQ was ripping off the zerg when they were making DoW2. I'd understand if you were just into 40k for the dice and games, but I find the lore very interesting and unique, despite all the unoriginal and cheesy elements. I enjoy the fluff, and knowing that necron fluff is completely overhauled in the upcoming codex means that all the following necron fluff will most likely follow it. You're better off with your dice than with us "DoW" kiddies.

[QUOTE=Vasili;33035701]There are still lots of groups in Necron society that wish to destory all life like destroyers or Necron lords in nihilist groups or what have you, Necrons have been given some variation, if you still want terminators in space then you can still play that while if you want some character then you can, its said that there are whole groups of Necrons that still behave like the 3rd edition. [/QUOTE] While I like most of the lore changes this is a horrible argument. It's the same if GW went and retconned half the primarchs into women, and made half the space marine legions into females. This would make 50% of all space marine armies according to official fluff women. But don't worry, you can still play your custom chapter made out of men only! [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Hoboharry;33037559]If the Void Dragon is dead, the Imperium will probably go into a second dark age of technology.[/QUOTE] Why would humanity start spontaneously advancing if their main inspiration for technological progress is dead?

In memory of oldcrons [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTESLdiHfHQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media]

[QUOTE=DTkach;33035764]They didn't need to change to this ridiculous degree. It pretty much has. They threw in the bit about "oh yeah some of us are like robots", and I even think they said they still obey the other Necron empires. I really fucking hate it when you people use this as a defense. Giving the Necrons a vagina does not give them character. Ignoring the fact that they are ass raping the fluff, as in viewing this like they were like this to begin with, its STILL stupid. Very poorly written fluff with inconsistency with the other races out the fucking arse. Which sucks. No shit, but I can voice my opinion, like everyone else who hates these changes. Not the first time they've changed things due to public opinion. Easily the most idiotic statement to use in a discussion/debate/whatever.[/QUOTE] So are you copypasting threads from /tg/ or did you post this exact same there

[QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037574]I'm okay with necrons being able to talk. I'm okay with necrons having personality. I'm okay with necrons having goals and dreams. But I'm not okay with necrons being friendly and human-like morals. You're better off with your dice than with us "DoW" kiddies.[/QUOTE] They aren't friendly and have human-like morals. The two pieces of fluff posted earlier sounded more like they were still Cold, fairly emotionless personalities and what they said were more like 'taunt's then them being friendly. Treating their enemies like 'friends' to taunt them. As for 'DoW kiddies' to me that sort of person is the ones who only care about the games and completely ignore anything unless it is in the games, aswell as the ones who see DoW as the 'real' W40k and think TableTop is stupid, or the ones who are only interested in W40K becuse ofthe games and think those are superiour. Not sure what he meant though.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33037577]Why would humanity start spontaneously advancing if their main inspiration for technological progress is dead?[/QUOTE] Oh, sorry, i meant Age of Strife. I thought that the Dark Age of Technology was when mankind lost a lot of it's knowledge about machines.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;33037499]People list[/QUOTE] I'm interested, but the logistical issues may be a problem (Limited net access + timezones) Still let me know if something occurs.

[QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037670]In memory of oldcrons [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTESLdiHfHQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media][/QUOTE] For fucks sake. Necrons are still like this. Some Necrons aren't, but many still are.

[QUOTE=nightlord;33037709]They aren't friendly and have human-like morals. The two pieces of fluff posted earlier sounded more like they were still Cold, fairly emotionless personalities and what they said were more like 'taunt's then them being friendly. Treating their enemies like 'friends' to taunt them.[/QUOTE] Perhaps. I hope it's same the way with the fact they trade. Here's some more leaked fluff [url]http://www.miniwargaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=67245[/url] It also comes with a summarized version. :v:

[QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037670]In memory of oldcrons [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTESLdiHfHQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media][/QUOTE] Necrons are still like this. That was a Pariah, so he was once human. Necrons might still envy/Hate the living .

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;33037755]I'm interested, but the logistical issues may be a problem (Limited net access + timezones) Still let me know if something occurs.[/QUOTE] Alright, added you to the list. So, we've got 2 possible GMs, but i'll have to talk to them first and then arrange the GMs in groups, however, i'm not exactly sure what the limit is per DH game, but if the limit could be around 4-7 players per DH game, i could possibly get everyone a position in a group.

[QUOTE=nightlord;33037773]Necrons are still like this. That was a Pariah, so he was once human.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Sorry, I just can't imagine newcrons with all the new fluff that has been leaked a rumoured. They just seem more "bright" and "alive" Here's more [url]http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page[/url]

They seem to be a lot less straight forward in their design, more complexity to their armour that isn't really needed, becoming more decorative than practical. Not a good thing, but I don't think it's something that changes them completely.

[QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037800]Yeah. Sorry, I just can't imagine newcrons with all the new fluff that has been leaked a rumoured. They just seem more "bright" and "alive" Here's more [url]http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/403994.page[/url][/QUOTE] While alot has changed, after actually thinking about it i quite like a few of the changes. The C'tan still tricked the Necrontyr into fighting for them but after they won the war the Silent King (Lords have ALWAYS still had some of their personalities left) rebelled againt the C'tan and turned their former Gods into their slaves. C'tan were immensly powerful, they aren't dead, just shards - Similiar to the Avatar of Khaine i guess. They were an entire race of aliens, they are obviously more or some who survived - E.g Void Dragon. Everything from the previous edition is still there, except Necrons now have more personality. They still hate the living, but as they are no longer mindless slaves they don't kill all of them on sight.

[QUOTE=nightlord;33037884]While alot has changed, after actually thinking about it i quite like a few of the changes. The C'tan still tricked the Necrontyr into fighting for them but after they won the war the Silent King (Lords have ALWAYS still had some of their personalities left) rebelled againt the C'tan and turned their former Gods into their slaves. C'tan were immensly powerful, they aren't dead, just shards - Similiar to the Avatar of Khaine i guess. They were an entire race of aliens, they are obviously more or some who survived - E.g Void Dragon. Everything from the previous edition is still there, except Necrons now have more personality. They still hate the living, but as they are no longer mindless slaves they don't kill all of them on sight.[/QUOTE] Yeah, maybe I need more time to adapt to the new fluff. I mean, while it's got some nice juicy bits, most of the changes are radical.

[QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037931]Yeah, maybe I need more time to adapt to the new fluff. I mean, while it's got some nice juicy bits, most of the changes are radical.[/QUOTE] There wasn't really much that could of been added to 'Mindless Slaves'.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;33037499] Maximo13 - possible GM[/QUOTE] Uh, I have no idea how to GM.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;33037962]Uh, I have no idea how to GM.[/QUOTE] Oh, i thought when you said ''I can perfectly juggle three Dark Heresy groups'', that you meant that you could GM. Sorry.

[QUOTE=nightlord;33037950]There wasn't really much that could of been added to 'Mindless Slaves'.[/QUOTE] Perhaps flesh them out little more, like right now. Necron Lords always had personality and there always more space for new kinds of necrons, with the same roles as the ones introduced in the codex. In fact, you could still keep the necrons ruled by C'tan and probably introduce most of the new fluff. The only difference would be that they still followed the C'tan.

I liked the Necrons as I first saw them. A never ending army of death.

[QUOTE=ViralHatred;33038016]I liked the Necrons as I first saw them. A never ending army of death.[/QUOTE] They still are. They're not even picking their fights any differently, unless their opponent happens to be a master of diplomacy. They're still slaves, they're still brainless, and they still rape everything. It just happens that they have new masters who are more wiling to listen - but that ain't saying much, since the Nightbringer didn't listen at all.

I can understand the hate, it be like if a certain asshole rewrote Tyranid fluff for them to being "human loving flower dancing space rapists"

[QUOTE=Sirdrone536;33038233]I can understand the hate, it be like if a certain asshole rewrote Tyranid fluff for them to being "human loving flower dancing space rapists"[/QUOTE] They'd never do that; that's what we have Eldar for.

[QUOTE=Cone;33038255]They'd never do that; that's what we have Eldar for.[/QUOTE] I would completey laugh if they re-wrote the eldar fluff to have eldar human comparable hybrids. Out of the question wasn't the Emperor really didn't have much against xeno scum?

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33037577]While I like most of the lore changes this is a horrible argument. It's the same if GW went and retconned half the primarchs into women, and made half the space marine legions into females. This would make 50% of all space marine armies according to official fluff women. But don't worry, you can still play your custom chapter made out of men only![/quote] Its not as bad as that, that's such a extreme example we very well wouldn't happen. The new lore change isn't even remotely bad, though if you're going to be in a fuss about this then very well, but the rest of us are moving on without you. [QUOTE=Oblivious1;33037670]In memory of oldcrons [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTESLdiHfHQ[/media] [/QUOTE] At that period of 40k, a talking necron was lore rape. That is the problem with kids who get introduced to the hobby through DoW, not only is the lore questionable in those games but you guys are really really not used to change. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sirdrone536;33038302]I would completey laugh if they re-wrote the eldar fluff to have eldar human comparable hybrids.[/QUOTE] In Rogue trader there was a half Eldar space marine, in old lore Eldar and Humans were compatible and could have children.

[QUOTE=Sirdrone536;33038302]I would completey laugh if they re-wrote the eldar fluff to have eldar human comparable hybrids. Out of the question wasn't the Emperor really didn't have much against xeno scum?[/QUOTE] I was always under the impression that while he didn't hate them per se, he saw the necessity of fighting Xeno influences, particularly if those Xeno influences were hostile or detrimental to his vision of a united humanity. It also helps out that I can't think of a single Xeno power that would be even remotely willing for peace with humanity. Of course there's the possibility there were a few that have since gone extinct, but aside from that the Tau hadn't even been discovered yet (and claiming they want peace can be considered a little controversial.) Still, if he did hate/mistrust Xenos it was because he saw that as the rational thing to do, as opposed to the modern Imperium's superstitious hatred of Xeno races.

Big E wanted humans to be the dominant force of the galaxy and mistrusted Xenos (after all they broke all alliances during the Age of Strife and buttfucked humanity), but small xenos empires were allowed to live within the Imperium. Mostly second-class citizens, though. [editline]30th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vasili;33038449]Its not as bad as that, that's such a extreme example we very well wouldn't happen. The new lore change isn't even remotely bad, though if you're going to be in a fuss about this then very well, but the rest of us are moving on without you.[/QUOTE] But I even said in your quote I'm fine with most of the new fluff. Just pointing out the opinion of the other side.