$50 to gain small chance of being stationed on a planet with better lasguns
Dark Millenium should have have traveller-like chargen.
"Right, roll on table 7-2 to see what skill you gain."
"Oh, you're dead. Pity. Start from scratch, then."
[SUB]Yes yes, MMORPGs don't use random chargen.[/SUB]
[QUOTE=biodude94566;33159679]12:57 PM - Candy Biu: So yesterday I learned that GW employees can be ridiculously fun people.
12:58 PM - Candy Biu: You know that Necrons just came out, right?
12:58 PM - Candy Biu: Well, the updated ones.
12:58 PM - Candy Biu: So they have a new ability/attack/weapon.
12:58 PM - Candy Biu: Called the Tachyon Arrow.
12:59 PM - Candy Biu: Infinite Range, S10, AP1, Large Blast, Pinning (iirc)
12:59 PM - Candy Biu: Usable once per game
12:59 PM - Candy Biu: So the employees decided, since it's infinite range, they're going to attack other stores' games.
1:00 PM - Candy Biu: So they called up other GW stores in the area, asked if they had any games going. Yeah? Good. Any vehicles? Cool. We're attacking them with Tachyon Arrow, roll to hit... hits. Roll to pen... pens. Roll for damage... 6. Whatever we just attacked is dead.[/QUOTE]
You still need line of sight, don't you?
MMO's with monthly payments are dying off now.
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Especially with GW2 effectively educating a large audience of people that it costs very little to actually run and look after servers through maintenance and is really just a giant cash cow for game companies.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33164320]You still need line of sight, don't you?[/QUOTE]
Stop ruining our fun! :v:
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33164320]You still need line of sight, don't you?[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/b3SvL.png[/IMG]
Problem?
[QUOTE=mercurius;33164478][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/b3SvL.png[/IMG]
Problem?[/QUOTE]
AS YOU KNOW MOST OF OUR BATTLE-BROTHERS ARE IN SPACE, READY TO PROVIDE LINE-OF-SIGHT
[QUOTE=Vasili;33164343]MMO's with monthly payments are dying off now.
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Especially with GW2 effectively educating a large audience of people that it costs very little to actually run and look after servers through maintenance and is really just a giant cash cow for game companies.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather pay a monthly fee and gain all the content in the game than pay for new shit all the time, even if monthly payment costs more.
Guess what happened to two messages requesting a clean-up of the warhammer40k wiki
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Oh the good new is the Lead admin did replace a few pictures as per suggestions
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[quote]I am aware of the fan-made art on this wiki; I authorised it. This wiki has always made use of and patronised fan art and will continue to do so. I am aware some dislike fan-made art and I understand your point of view on the matter; however, I do not share it, nor do most of our editors or administrators. Most of the pictures you highlighted I and many others like, including of the Imperial Guardswoman which I specifically allowed to remain in place to showcase a completely different style of art work for the universe, in this case anime. I have now removed that picture and replaced it with one of the ones you offered, as it has proven more controversial than I had hoped. However, we long ago made the decision to use fan-made art as we believe that "canon" does not include only official art. If you find this too deviant from what you define as canon, I perfectly understand that view, but again do not share it. Multiple artistic interpretations of the Warhammer 40,000 universe have always been a lively part of the hobby and we have chosen to showcase some of this artistic expression here. We can agree to disagree on whether the use of only official art is canon, but we have chosen to use fan-made art as well as fan-made models and miniatures to display certain aspects of the world and that will not be changing. In the case of certain alien species or other artefacts of the universe, when there is no official art for them, I am happy to make use of the artistic license and creations of others if such exist to serve as place holders or to display certain concepts with the fresh eyes of a different style than the standard Gothic works of official art; if those creations are later superseded by an official rendering or determined to not be within the realm of possibility even within the bounds of artistic license, they will be replaced.
As to the wiki "being made better through concerted effort" frankly, this wiki was resurrected from the dead by the already quite concerted efforts of people who have dedicated hundreds of hours of their time free of charge to bring it to its current state. While certainly I agree there is always room for improvement, and we are always engaged in such an effort as is the nature of all wikis, I do not agree with your suggestion as being an improvement and find this wiki, in my admittedly biased opinion, to be already simply the best repository for Warhammer 40k information on the Internet and one that will only grow better with time using our current policies.
My suggestion would be if if you find this unpalatable, then you should patronise the Lexicanum, as they are a wonderful wiki that is more well-established and has many more pages than this effort and whose guidelines may be more in line with your own vision for a Warhammer 40k wiki. Thanks for taking the time to raise your concerns. Montonius 10:07, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
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depends how often that new content comes out, I'd expect it would take anywhere from 6 months+ for new content but we'll see how it goes
[QUOTE=thrawn2787;33159059]Anyways was gone for a dayish. Time to defend why "the new necron codex sucks" and not "herp derp matt ward." even if he didnt have a hand in this it still sucks
The necrons went from being bad ass mindless metal zombie-esque horde to intelligent Egyptian robots with free will. How the fuck did they overwhelm the c'tan? Makes no fucking sense, imo was better when C'tan were god like that basically ate each other to death (except for the last 4). Transports kind of ruin the whole shamblers thing. I don't mind the Egyptian atheistic but the fluff was completely raped.[/QUOTE]
No it was not. They still have no emotions, and it's just the Lords who have some free will like they always have. Nothing has changed regarding that. They have always had an Egpytian asthetic.
The C'tan were never 'gods'. They never made much sense, they were like Warp Gods (powerful) but outside of the Warp - which meant they weren't indestructable. They were just powerful aliens. Fielding their Gods was like a Chaos army having one of the Four Chaos gods fighting for them.
Transports have not ruined anything, now you have hordes of necrons (possibly silently) floating towards you.
It is better.
Just tell him that they could add a [fan art] tag or w/e if it's not official art
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33165946]Just tell him that they could add a [fan art] tag or w/e if it's not official art[/QUOTE]
That's what i just did. I have no problem with using fan art, it's just the ones that give wrong information.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/FO8hq.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=nightlord;33165936]No it was not. They still have no emotions, and it's just the Lords who have some free will like they always have. Nothing has changed regarding that. They have always had an Egpytian asthetic.
The C'tan were never 'gods'. They never made much sense, they were like Warp Gods (powerful) but outside of the Warp - which meant they weren't indestructable. They were just powerful aliens. Fielding their Gods was like a Chaos army having one of the Four Chaos gods fighting for them.
Transports have not ruined anything, now you have hordes of necrons (possibly silently) floating towards you.
It is better.[/QUOTE]
See, that was the thing about the C'tan. It was never really clear what the Nightbringer or the Deceiver were, if they were more abstract forces like the Chaos Gods or actual physical beings. Really from what I remember the C'tan on tabletop were basically "shards", like what we have now. Except now they're piss weak, but that's another topic.
What bothers me is the change in relationship between the C'tan and the Necron. It just feels like the C'tan were made to be really fucking stupid and a lot weaker than before.
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But seriously, Trazyn is fucking boss. His stats are pretty weak, but he's nigh undestructable since he gets extra lives.
So he gets a 3+ armor save, a 5+ RP save, and then a 2+ revival save once he dies. Meaning he can possess the body of a Necron Lord, Cryptek, or Lychguard.
Best part? He doesn't give a kill point until you [I]actually[/I] kill him. So take him and a full squad of Lychguard with dispersion shields and watch the enemy tear their hair out with rage.
Oh, and he's a scoring unit.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33167280]See, that was the thing about the C'tan. It was never really clear what the Nightbringer or the Deceiver were, if they were more abstract forces like the Chaos Gods or actual physical beings. Really from what I remember the C'tan on tabletop were basically "shards", like what we have now. Except now they're piss weak, but that's another topic.
What bothers me is the change in relationship between the C'tan and the Necron. It just feels like the C'tan were made to be really fucking stupid and a lot weaker than before.[/QUOTE]
The C'Tan were massively buffed in lore. I can recite some powers when I get home if you want. They were far stronger than the old C'Tan. Of course, the shards are a lot weaker but they also work much better on TT and in comparison to old fluff. In oldcron fluff C'tan were being banished with meltabombs and shit, but it makes much more sense to think that they were only shards of their true self.
And there's still room in the fluff for full-powered C'tan to be running around somewhere. Outsider (not mentioned in new codex tho) and Void Dragon come to mind. Nightbringer and Deceiver were sharded, though.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33167387] In oldcron fluff C'tan were being banished with meltabombs and shit,.[/QUOTE]
That's just one specific case, the Nightbringer and, unsuprisingly, the Ultramarines, somehow a lone captain managed to scare a C'tan that is/was so terrifying it pretty much became the embodiment of death for most species and left its mark in their psyche, just by threatening to collapse a piddly cave on it.
[quote]and Void Dragon come to mind.[/quote]
Unless things have drastically change, Void Dragon is doing no wandering at all, slumbering in the Noctis Labyrinth after the Emperor owned it so badly in Medieval times.
[QUOTE=ForgottenKane;33159801]That's fucking GENIUS![/QUOTE]
It's also kind of like the time my GW employee launched a Deathstrike at another GW, and blew something up. The other GW retaliated by launching Roks.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33167387]The C'Tan were massively buffed in lore. I can recite some powers when I get home if you want. They were far stronger than the old C'Tan. Of course, the shards are a lot weaker but they also work much better on TT and in comparison to old fluff. In oldcron fluff C'tan were being banished with meltabombs and shit, but it makes much more sense to think that they were only shards of their true self.
And there's still room in the fluff for full-powered C'tan to be running around somewhere. Outsider (not mentioned in new codex tho) and Void Dragon come to mind. Nightbringer and Deceiver were sharded, though.[/QUOTE]
Oh please. It makes no sense that the C'tan can be destroyed by something they fucking created, with no penalties beyond "and a lot of necrons died".
That's like the Ultramarines beating up the Emperor.
And I thought that the C'tan fielded by the oldcrons were always "aspects" rather than actual manifestations?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33167469]Oh please. It makes no sense that the C'tan can be destroyed by something they fucking created, with no penalties beyond "and a lot of necrons died".
That's like the Ultramarines beating up the Emperor.
And I thought that the C'tan fielded by the oldcrons were always "aspects" rather than actual manifestations?[/QUOTE]
They were legitimate manifestations I believe. Which is why they were so fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33167436]Unless things have drastically change, Void Dragon is doing no wandering at all, slumbering in the Noctis Labyrinth after the Emperor owned it so badly in Medieval times.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, but if he's still around (and I seriously hope so) he's probably not one of the semi-dead ones. Big E beating up just a shard of a C'tan would be pretty lame.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33167469]Oh please. It makes no sense that the C'tan can be destroyed by something they fucking created, with no penalties beyond "and a lot of necrons died".[/QUOTE]
They were considerably weakened by the war effort, and I don't think it's inconceivable that the Necrons made use of the occasional non-psychic weapon the Old Ones might have used against the C'tan. And they weren't destroyed.
Also, how is it not a big penalty that a lot of Necrons died? They can't create new ones, so they're essentially a (another) dying race. Sure, they probably can make new Warriors from humans and shit (if I recall correctly) but every Lord lost is lost forever, they can't replace him. At least Eldar can have kids.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33168365]Lord lost is lost forever, they can't replace him.[/QUOTE]
he can just repair himself/get repaired in the tombs
[QUOTE=Konigstiger96;33165521]Guess what happened to two messages requesting a clean-up of the warhammer40k wiki[/QUOTE]
Yeah but... why would anyone go there?
[QUOTE=Vasili;33164343]MMO's with monthly payments are dying off now.
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Especially with GW2 effectively educating a large audience of people that it costs very little to actually run and look after servers through maintenance and is really just a giant cash cow for game companies.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't say that MMOs with monthly payment are dying off, just look at Runescape or WoW (okay, WaR is dying out, i'll give you that), but anyway how else will the company make a profit off of their MMO?
People are not willing it subscribe to more than one or two MMOs at a time, and most MMO-inclined people already play WoW.
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Besides, people seem to quit WoW for the flavor of the month MMO and then crawl back.
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[QUOTE=Matt PL;33168658]he can just repair himself/get repaired in the tombs[/QUOTE]
Unless he is [I]actually[/I] lost. It can still happen, and it happened during the War in Heaven.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33168365]Well yeah, but if he's still around (and I seriously hope so) he's probably not one of the semi-dead ones. Big E beating up just a shard of a C'tan would be pretty lame.
They were considerably weakened by the war effort, and I don't think it's inconceivable that the Necrons made use of the occasional non-psychic weapon the Old Ones might have used against the C'tan. And they weren't destroyed.
Also, how is it not a big penalty that a lot of Necrons died? They can't create new ones, so they're essentially a (another) dying race. Sure, they probably can make new Warriors from humans and shit (if I recall correctly) but every Lord lost is lost forever, they can't replace him. At least Eldar can have kids.[/QUOTE]
Yet the codex makes it abundantly clear that if all of the Necrons in existence were fully awakened they would be able to conquer the galaxy with ease.
So not only is that not a big penalty, it's not a penalty at all.
And being fractured into shards and then imprisoned is about as destroyed as you can get bro.
Old Ones, Krork and Eldar at their peak could overwhelm the galaxy too, and the Necrons fought against them. So yes, the Necrons used to brawl in a whole different league back when they were united and allied with the C'tan. But they're not united, they're split into opposing dynasties with different goals and such. They're not allied with the C'tan either, and are pretty much shitting their pants over the thought of some of them escaping their destruction. Fighting the C'tan drained them of their former strength so much that the Eldar, Krork, and other races created by the Old Ones were a great threat to them now so they decided to wait it out.
It is a penalty when there is as much Necron infighting as fighting with other races. Unless the Silent King starts reuniting them under his command & control system or w/e they won't ever be united again either. And the Silent King thing is a win condition for the Necrons, and every race has one.
The shards are capable of uniting again, otherwise the Necrons wouldn't be trapping them. I assume their prisons can be opened from the outside. If a couple shards of, say, the Deceiver managed to find each other they would start seeking out the others until the entity was complete.
You know, there's one thing i like about the new Necron lore and that's because seeing as the C'tan are gone and the Necrons have ''changed their ways'', there's one less major threat to the Imperium.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;33163800]You know that Exterminatus load out posted here earlier? Where the guy was a devastator with fast stomp + furious stomp?
Well I tired that out while using a plasma cannon and it works surprisingly well, I had most of the kills on my team, if not second most, the guy at the top was an assault marine and he only had ten more kills than me.
For the most part I didn't even have to fire the cannon, except if my team-mates were getting swamped I'd fire a charged blast in their general direction.
After the first arena the tactical and our second assault switched to devastator and began stomping too.
We made it to wave 19 but then I had to quit (the call of pizza is the greatest summons a man can have.) but still, the "stompy marine" load out is more effective that i could have ever imagined.[/QUOTE]
Sir. It is not "stompy" It is [i]angry stompy[/i] and if you utilize its mysteries without angry marine colors, you are practicing [i]heresy.[/i]
[QUOTE=Vasili;33164343]MMO's with monthly payments are dying off now.
[editline]7th November 2011[/editline]
Especially with GW2 effectively educating a large audience of people that it costs very little to actually run and look after servers through maintenance and is really just a giant cash cow for game companies.[/QUOTE]
GW2 isn't an MMO in the traditional sense as you tend to have fairly small locations where larger amounts of players meet. The majority of the stuff is instanced for small groups which are run locally p2p.
I think right now the bigger f2p push is due to all the freemium games more than anything.
[QUOTE=Hoboharry;33169794]You know, there's one thing i like about the new Necron lore and that's because seeing as the C'tan are gone and the Necrons have ''changed their ways'', there's one less major threat to the Imperium.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Some of the stuff in the codex outlines even bigger and nastier threaths to the imperium in the form of actually good infiltrators.
So right now in a sense you can have a planet with a secret chaos cult, a secret genestealer cult and which has a necron mind control infestation.
And as the C'tan go, it's completely possible that neither the Dragon or Outsider were shattered. The Dragon might have escaped wounded only to meet the big E and the outsider might have managed to build the dyson sphere before hand, which the necrons couldn't breach. But he probably can't get out either.
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