Warhammer 40k: Megathread V1 - FOR THE EMPEROR - Games

Contrary to popular belief. Yellow and Blue do not make green. They make puke.

[QUOTE=gamerman345;33542900]Lets see: Spartan >Random people kidnapped at birth >Armour has shields which struggle to absorb primitive plasma weaponry >Assault rifle fires bullets >Awkwardly designed plasma sword thats just as likely to cut your own arm off >Gravity hammer Space Marine >Selectively bred from the best soldiers in the Imperium >Ceramite armour >Bolter fires explosive shells >Power weapons >Thunder Hammer >Power fist >Assault pack >Terminator armour >Has the ability to field everything from bolt pistols to plasma cannons >Uses psychic powers drawn from 40k hell Obviously, the Spartan is superior here.[/QUOTE] Your first point on marine benefits definitely does not apply. Marines are not bred from the best soldiers, they aren't even bred. And the members that they are selected from are usually barbarians, strong will to live, probably physically a bit less healthy than earth type planets due to lack of nutrition and loads of survival ability. Not the same skillset as a good soldier make. All those are forced fed into them neurally during conversion though.

[QUOTE=mercurius;33543485]Even if a space marine would lose all his weapons and armour... he still has faith.[/QUOTE] And his shield [video=youtube;vTnFsuFSKVg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTnFsuFSKVg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL[/video]

[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ARyCHIqabVY/TNV_3gSlvCI/AAAAAAAABJU/QCmOnMgUhl0/s1600/building-the-swarm.jpg[/IMG] Well, I say!

Are those Necron carnifexes?

I've been playing this game on my ipod called battle nations. It's like Farmville meets 40k almost. [img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/bucephalusbb/IMG_1284-1.png[/img] Not entirely but there's a lot of inspiration in the art (obvious russes and Krieg guardsmen above) and you spend a lot of times getting orders from "The Emperor" and his cronies. Almost feel bad for playing a Farmville clone with a tacked on combat element but there's a certain charm to it.

[QUOTE=gamerman345;33542900]Lets see: Spartan >Random people kidnapped at birth >Armour has shields which struggle to absorb primitive plasma weaponry >Assault rifle fires bullets >Awkwardly designed plasma sword thats just as likely to cut your own arm off >Gravity hammer Space Marine >Selectively bred from the best soldiers in the Imperium >Ceramite armour >Bolter fires explosive shells >Power weapons >Thunder Hammer >Power fist >Assault pack >Terminator armour >Has the ability to field everything from bolt pistols to plasma cannons >Uses psychic powers drawn from 40k hell Obviously, the Spartan is superior here.[/QUOTE] That's pretty one-sided. One-on-one a Space Marine would obviously win, I'm not doubting that. But Spartans were not random people kidnapped at birth, they were selected quite clearly actually. Each one would have grown to be an exceptional person, work high up in a planetary government, a very high-profile artist, or a high-up military commander. I'd imagine if a Spartan nominee was made into a space marine he'd be above average. Oh, and the plasma sword is an alien ceremonial weapon with emphasis on skilled usage in duels. That Space Marine part is very selectively chosen as well. Not all of them have jump packs, psychic powers, power fists or thunder hammers. Especially termie armor is exceedingly rare. [editline]3rd December 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=RayvenQ;33543619]And the ability to spit acid that can eat through most metals.[/QUOTE] I'd imagine the helmet has to be removed to do that, though.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33548109]I'd imagine the helmet has to be removed to do that, though.[/QUOTE] Do you question the will of The Emperor's chosen?

[QUOTE=mastermaul;33548174]Do you question the will of The Emperor's chosen?[/QUOTE] That being said, every space marine above the lowest rank, never seems to wear his helmet. Also the whole "my face is my shield" thing, fits my "Honour studs are actually lodged bullets" theory quite nicely.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33548109]That's pretty one-sided. One-on-one a Space Marine would obviously win, I'm not doubting that. But Spartans were not random people kidnapped at birth, they were selected quite clearly actually. Each one would have grown to be an exceptional person, work high up in a planetary government, a very high-profile artist, or a high-up military commander. I'd imagine if a Spartan nominee was made into a space marine he'd be above average. Oh, and the plasma sword is an alien ceremonial weapon with emphasis on skilled usage in duels. That Space Marine part is very selectively chosen as well. Not all of them have jump packs, psychic powers, power fists or thunder hammers. Especially termie armor is exceedingly rare. [editline]3rd December 2011[/editline] I'd imagine the helmet has to be removed to do that, though.[/QUOTE] But even with none of the special gear the Space Marine still has his Ceramite armour and a [b]bolter.[/b] One shot and the Spartan would be knocked on his arse or blown to smithereens.

I didn't argue against that.

[QUOTE=gufu;33546529][IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ARyCHIqabVY/TNV_3gSlvCI/AAAAAAAABJU/QCmOnMgUhl0/s1600/building-the-swarm.jpg[/IMG] Well, I say![/QUOTE] Those are awesome. Where is that picture from?

Well, I dunno about the Space Marines, but an Adeptus Custodes would crubstomp a Spartan

[QUOTE=Scar;33549539]Well, I dunno about the Space Marines, but an Adeptus Custodes would crubstomp a Spartan[/QUOTE] No, Space Marines would rape Spartans. A Custodes would be genocide.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;33549652]No, Space Marines would rape Spartans. A Custodes would be genocide.[/QUOTE] What about a Space Marine scout though? Spartan would stand a bit more of a chance then.

[QUOTE=nightlord;33549954]What about a Space Marine scout though? Spartan would stand a bit more of a chance then.[/QUOTE] Bolter.

Better yet Bolt Sniper :v:

[QUOTE=gamerman345;33549286]But even with none of the special gear the Space Marine still has his Ceramite armour and a [b]bolter.[/b] One shot and the Spartan would be knocked on his arse or blown to smithereens.[/QUOTE] Except, you know, Spartans have shields, Medium range would be a draw, as Bolts wouldn't really be able to penetrate the shield and the marine would just laugh off regular fire from the spartan, but Marines like to get up close, which is when the Marine wins. Against a Scout, a Spartan would probably win, as scout armour is nowhere near as good as Astartes Armour.

I reckon it'd be [I]somewhat close[/I] but the Marine would win nine times out of ten. If it were a truly exceptional Spartan, like, say, Six, and Master Chief (plus his buddies who didn't die horribly on Reach), I can see it being a draining fight, but only a bit harder to win that a fight with a pair of Hunters. That said, it's not even clear if a Spartan could actually damage the Marine with anything less than some [I][B]very[/B][/I] surgical strikes and spamming grenades, but they've been known to do things on the field most Marines normally die doing. I'm fairly certain we'll never know, but for now we'll just say the Marine would mostly win unless they were dealing with the more elite Spartans, in which case it would be very draining for both parties but the Spartan would ultimately come out on top.

Sergeants would be exceedingly vulnerable No helmet, no shields. A 7.62x51 probably wouldn't take one out but a sniper would.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33550507]Sergeants would be exceedingly vulnerable No helmet, no shields. A 7.62x51 probably wouldn't take one out but a sniper would.[/QUOTE] Or a rocket. Or a shotgun. Or, if you were really lucky and still had all four limbs by the time you got up to him, you might be able to gouge his face a bit with a sword, and perhaps just stab him directly in the brain if you got up to the eye sockets. Plus, we haven't even considered Plasma weaponry. At the very least, it'd melt the Marine's aquila a bit, and if you were really really lucky, it might wear down a spot on his armor enough to let regular bullets punch through.

If we're going to pose the question, "Could Master Chief beat a space marine?" I think it's more fair to ask "Could Master Chief beat Vulkan He'stan?"

MC is a named character so that's a pretty hard question

You know, i was only skimming this thread, but i read spartans and i was thinking 300 spartans, half clothed with shields thinking "how the [I]hell[/I] do they think they would beat a space marine?"

I read this thread and I thought; "Why the hell are they waving their 40k boners in a Universe that isn't 40k?"

[QUOTE=cyclocius;33550830]I read this thread and I thought; "Why the hell are they waving their 40k boners in a Universe that isn't 40k?"[/QUOTE] Somebody had a few friends who were saying that SPARTANs could beat anyone in any game ever, and he started countering with all the shit Space Marines can do. And then we started legitimately wondering who would win, since SPARTANs are pretty cool and good at shooting things.

Next fight: ME reaper versus Tyranid hive ship?

Tyranids are shit in space

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;33550627]If we're going to pose the question, "Could Master Chief beat a space marine?" I think it's more fair to ask "Could Master Chief beat Vulkan He'stan?"[/QUOTE] Plot armor, bro. But, putting that aside, it's time to get seriously meta; think for a minute why Master Chief wins everything. It's not because of skill - I've known people who sucked at multiplayer but completed the game on Legendary - but because, no matter the situation, he has an infinite amount of time to attempt to win, because, as far as he's aware, the only thing he sees is himself winning on the first try rather than him dying ten times trying to. He's the fucking Ubermenschen. He has, literally, all the time in the world with which to perfect himself, and he can never truly die because, well, once he dies, the killer - and everyone else - stops existing until he comes back and beats him. Of course, that's all gameplay mechanics, but I guess it's just some quantum shit that stops him from ever dying, ever. Unless he written to die, in which case someone with an equal level of skill and unkillability will abruptly show up in the universe and, when [I]he[/I] inevitably dies, [I]his[/I] killer stops existing. He literally can never be stopped unless you're God, and maybe even then it isn't really God but just a written in God who is as powerful as the reall God wants him to be. And now I have a creeping suspicion that I've actually died loads of times before. Oh, yeah. I just turned SPARTANs against Space Marines into quantum mechanics.

[QUOTE=Cone;33550465]I reckon it'd be [I]somewhat close[/I] but the Marine would win nine times out of ten. If it were a truly exceptional Spartan, like, say, Six, and Master Chief (plus his buddies who didn't die horribly on Reach), I can see it being a draining fight, but only a bit harder to win that a fight with a pair of Hunters. That said, it's not even clear if a Spartan could actually damage the Marine with anything less than some [I][B]very[/B][/I] surgical strikes and spamming grenades, but they've been known to do things on the field most Marines normally die doing. I'm fairly certain we'll never know, but for now we'll just say the Marine would mostly win unless they were dealing with the more elite Spartans, in which case it would be very draining for both parties but the Spartan would ultimately come out on top.[/QUOTE] But if you're taking a super spartan, then it should fight against a super space marine too. Master Chief versus Leman Russ or Kaldor Draigo.