[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33551851]They travel via normal space, and their gravity-fling or w/e they use to travel between systems isn't effective in short range travel. Imperial ships can essentially do delayed teleports via warp travel where the Tyranids can't touch them. Just snipe them from afar. But then again, is there a single military commander in 40k with a brain?[/QUOTE] Incorrect.
[b]On the topic of Sparans versus ACTUAL spehss mehrines[/b]
Spartans die 1 shot to power weapons.
Marines usually don't.
If you're going to tell someone they're wrong, at least explain why.
EDIT:
[QUOTE=suppertime;33557528][b]On the topic of Sparans versus ACTUAL spehss mehrines[/b]
Spartans die 1 shot to power weapons.
Marines usually don't.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, actually, they do. Power weapons being Thunderhammers, Power Fists, Lightning Claws and power/force swords/axes/what have you, all of which can kill a marine with one shot.
[QUOTE=acds;33555391]Not even close. Flashier and shinier for sure though.[/QUOTE]
I'd say laser weapons are more advanced than automatic mini rocket launchers.
More advanced doesn't equal better though. =)
[QUOTE=Dick Tracy;33557674]More advanced doesn't equal better though. =)[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Marines can supposedly shrug off pulse weaponry from the Tau armory, Tyranids evolved to be completely immune to it and both Tyranid and Marine weapons could be considered more primitive but are far more effective.
[QUOTE=joost1120;33557612]I'd say laser weapons are more advanced than automatic mini rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Except that all Guardsmen are armed with laser weapons, and it is strongly implied and shown that Bolters are very much stronger.
[QUOTE=joost1120;33557612]I'd say laser weapons are more advanced than automatic mini rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
Get hit with a lasgun somewhere nonvital, you'll probably live, get hit by a bolter somewhere nonvital, you're probably dead.
[QUOTE=joost1120;33557612]I'd say laser weapons are more advanced than automatic mini rocket launchers.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33555277]Uh, no, In Halo plasma weapons are dangerous to even spartans (as long as the shields are down) and extremely dangerous to unarmoured humans.
How the armour works in Space Marine is for gameplay, it isn't canon whatsoever, the only thing that'd come close, would be a Rosarius/Iron Halo wielding Chaplain/Captain/Sergeant. And no , Marines can't take a face full of bolt rounds and shrug it off, not even close.
While I do agree that the Space Marine wins, I think you're heavily underestimating the other side. Spartan Shields would pretty much screw up Bolt rounds, since they'd either deflect or end up exploding ON the shield or around it, rather than penetrating the armour and then exploding inside the target.[/QUOTE]
A bolter would be very effective against a Spartan even if it didn't explode inside the target. As a matter of fact, Spartans, like most humans, are vulnerable to small arms fire, whereas a regular Space Marines have been proven to be all but invulnerable such things. A standard lasgun, for example, is capable of blowing off a man's arm with a single shot, but lacks sufficient power to even penetrate a standard power armor breastplate.
In Halo, the 14.5x114mm round used in the standard Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is capable of downing both Spartans and Elites alike with a single round, even with their energy shields.
Guys. I was talking about Halo vs Warhammer 40k.
And I was talking about a spartan laser versus a bolter. Not a lasgun.
Blowing a mans arm off, is, imo a bit too much writer over eagerness, given that it conflicts between that and pencil/small holes in people.
Also, it depends just what the shield does to the rounds shot at t thats important too, does it just squash them flat (like when they hit kevlar/solid wall) or, due to the shape of it, does it deflect them, if so, yeah sure, it wouldn't be able to take too many rounds, but the main point of the bolter would, effectively, be rendered null.
But really, the damage they'd do is pointless arguing, because if it was spartan vs marine, both would be making use of available cover and such. It'd be, practically a stalemate, but then, the marine wouldbe trying to get in close, which is where his strengths would really play out.
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[QUOTE=joost1120;33558316]Guys. I was talking about Halo vs Warhammer 40k.
And I was talking about a spartan laser versus a bolter. Not a lasgun.[/QUOTE]
Bolter wins, puerely for the fact that it ranges from Single shot, to semi to fully automatic, better ammunition capacity and much faster firing weapon.
OF course, I could always just bring up a lascannon too.
[QUOTE=suppertime;33557372]It implied that the imperium of man is a dogshit grimdark society to be apart of. You can damn well bet that if an Ork did what Titus did, he'd be a warboss. This is why orkz are the biggest and the strongest.[/QUOTE]
In my case today, evidently not, as I was smashed by this guy with Salamanders :v:
My boys got jammed behind a wrecked battlewagon, my Kans were blown up in the first turn by deepstriking twinlinked (Vulkan He'stan) combi-meltas in a Sternguard squad and my Flash Gitz were outperformed by Ard boys. To top it off I was paired with this guy that had obviously been playing for a very long time. and had brung an army that was practically built for mob smashing. He had a Land Raider Redeemer, 2 Land Speeders with with HF and lightning claw Termies. I take back my comment a month ago about Melta's being shit. I now need to experiment and find out how to field a crap ton.
Back to Space Marines.
Ok, well
Guardsmen squad (without commisar) vs. Halo Marine squad.
Who do you think would win? My dosh is on the Guardsmen
Size of each squad?
Also, the mission where you have to escort some titan crewman in Dawn of War: Winter Assult is incredibly frustrating and annoying. Does anyone know any tips [sp](or cheats)[/sp] ?
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;33558600]Size of each squad?[/QUOTE]
Dunno, 12 each (?)
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33558377]Blowing a mans arm off, is, imo a bit too much writer over eagerness, given that it conflicts between that and pencil/small holes in people.
Also, it depends just what the shield does to the rounds shot at t thats important too, does it just squash them flat (like when they hit kevlar/solid wall) or, due to the shape of it, does it deflect them, if so, yeah sure, it wouldn't be able to take too many rounds, but the main point of the bolter would, effectively, be rendered null.
But really, the damage they'd do is pointless arguing, because if it was spartan vs marine, both would be making use of available cover and such. It'd be, practically a stalemate, but then, the marine wouldbe trying to get in close, which is where his strengths would really play out.[/QUOTE]
The Marine wouldn't have to take cover from anything short of a missile launcher or a Spartan laser. The rest of the Spartan arsenal would be, at best, a little less powerful than the standard lasgun.
Although the Elite energy sword might stand a chance against a Tactical marine, it's effectiveness has yet to be measured. It is able to kill infantry fairly easily, but, against certain things, such as Hunters or armored vehicles, it has been shown to be utterly ineffective.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33558255]A bolter would be very effective against a Spartan even if it didn't explode inside the target. As a matter of fact, Spartans, like most humans, are vulnerable to small arms fire, whereas a regular Space Marines have been proven to be all but invulnerable such things. A standard lasgun, for example, is capable of blowing off a man's arm with a single shot, but lacks sufficient power to even penetrate a standard power armor breastplate.
In Halo, the 14.5x114mm round used in the standard Anti-Material Sniper Rifle is capable of downing both Spartans and Elites alike with a single round, even with their energy shields.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, try that shit on Legendary.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33558690]The Marine wouldn't have to take cover from anything short of a missile launcher or a Spartan laser. The rest of the Spartan arsenal would be, at best, a little less powerful than the standard lasgun.
Although the Elite energy sword might stand a chance against a Tactical marine, it's effectiveness has yet to be measured. It is able to kill infantry fairly easily, but, against certain things, such as Hunters or armored vehicles, it has been shown to be utterly ineffective.[/QUOTE]
Just because they don't have to, doesn't mean they wouldn't, Remember their Armour is almost nearly a relic to them, so they'd do what they could to minimise the risk of damaging it. Lasguns aren't actually all that powerful (despite some authors describing them as such), they're used because they're easy to mass produce and easy to make the ammo for (and recharge the ammo etc) and less cumbersome, Sparta MA5B's would be equivilant of about an Autogun, which can penetrate Marine armour, if it hits the right spots, in joints, etc etc.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpUywziQYQ8[/media]
Heavynought is the best thing in the history of forever.
I got Space Marine in the autumn sale and my major complaint so far is why isn't there more chaos?
They are 10x more fun to fight than orks.
[QUOTE=Cone;33551019]Plot armor, bro.
But, putting that aside, it's time to get seriously meta; think for a minute why Master Chief wins everything. It's not because of skill - I've known people who sucked at multiplayer but completed the game on Legendary - but because, no matter the situation, he has an infinite amount of time to attempt to win, because, as far as he's aware, the only thing he sees is himself winning on the first try rather than him dying ten times trying to.
He's the fucking Ubermenschen. He has, literally, all the time in the world with which to perfect himself, and he can never truly die because, well, once he dies, the killer - and everyone else - stops existing until he comes back and beats him.
Of course, that's all gameplay mechanics, but I guess it's just some quantum shit that stops him from ever dying, ever. Unless he written to die, in which case someone with an equal level of skill and unkillability will abruptly show up in the universe and, when [I]he[/I] inevitably dies, [I]his[/I] killer stops existing.
He literally can never be stopped unless you're God, and maybe even then it isn't really God but just [b]THE HOLY EMPEROR WHO EVEN IN DEATH IS TENFOLD STRONGER[/b] than the real God. And now I have a creeping suspicion that gonna get killed by an imperial assassin.
Oh, yeah. I just turned SPARTANs against Space Marines into quantum mechanics.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;33559183]I got Space Marine in the autumn sale and my major complaint so far is why isn't there more chaos?
They are 10x more fun to fight than orks.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://puu.sh/9SbR[/img]
Argh christ, its still not on steam.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;33557579]If you're going to tell someone they're wrong, at least explain why.
EDIT:
Yeah, actually, they do. Power weapons being Thunderhammers, Power Fists, Lightning Claws and power/force swords/axes/what have you, all of which can kill a marine with one shot.[/QUOTE]
Marines can be hit with a power weapon and still live, feel no pain, etc etc etc.
Also dat armor save.
Also marines have two hearts. Master chef only has ONE.
2 > 1
Ergo
Spehss > Space
[editline]3rd December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;33559074][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpUywziQYQ8[/media]
Heavynought is the best thing in the history of forever.[/QUOTE]
Honestly, that original video is so cool, seeing that terrible edit (like seriously put some god damn effort into it next time) just makes me sad.
Decent idea, terribly executed. Emperor would not approve.
And replacing "waaagh" with "buuurp" not cool.
Well at least spartans can use stairs.
Space marines will have to settle with elevators.
[QUOTE=ChilColdCoolaid;33559581]Well at least spartans can use stairs.
Space marines will have to settle with elevators.[/QUOTE]
Break down the building, floor by floor, until the desired floor IS ground floor.
[QUOTE=suppertime;33559453]Marines can be hit with a power weapon and still live, feel no pain, etc etc etc.
.[/QUOTE]
Only ones with an Invulnerable save (meaning supremely tough armour) can maybe survive against power weapons, Invul saves are the ONLY way to not be insta killed by power weapons, Feel No Pain doesn't work with Power Weapons. Power Weapons also don't allow armour saves, so no matter how good your armour is, if you get hit by it, your armour doesn't save you.
I can not enjoy [url=http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51806]The Shape of the Nightmare to Come[/url] because the idea of that armless bastard (you know the one) actually accomplishing something is way too silly.
[QUOTE=gamerman345;33559414][img]http://puu.sh/9SbR[/img]
Argh christ, its still not on steam.[/QUOTE]
Try adding a space. :downs:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/g6kLw.png[/img]
Adding a space works for me and I'm in the UK also so...yeah, add a space.
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