[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33558377]Blowing a mans arm off, is, imo a bit too much writer over eagerness, given that it conflicts between that and pencil/small holes in people.[/QUOTE]
From what I've been able to understand of lasguns throughout various books, they have a sort of charge selector or some shit that can change the intensity of a shot at the cost of the energy in the power packs. Y'know, like a show powerful enough to blow off a man's arm at maximum charge or something, but as with all things in WH40K, the downside is that there's a chance of the power pack/lasgun exploding.
[QUOTE=D-Roy;33560551]From what I've been able to understand of lasguns throughout various books, they have a sort of charge selector or some shit that can change the intensity of a shot at the cost of the energy in the power packs. Y'know, like a show powerful enough to blow off a man's arm at maximum charge or something, but as with all things in WH40K, the downside is that there's a chance of the power pack/lasgun exploding.[/QUOTE]
This is true, from all of my reading. I've heard of it going from just simply stunning a man or knocking him over to killing him outright or blowing off limbs, at the cost of fewer shots. Pretty sure that's hot Hotshot packs work. More bang, fewer shots.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33543619]And the ability to spit acid that can eat through most metals.[/QUOTE]
Wait, what? I hope you have a link to that because that's awesome.
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;33550980]Tyranids are shit in space[/QUOTE]
Imagine having the ship you're on, orbiting a planet, being eaten as you sit on the toilet.
And rippers going up the pipes and eating your asshole out.
[QUOTE=joost1120;33551280]Halo is a lot more advanced technology wise though.[/QUOTE]
Actually, no, it isn't. Humans have barely started working plasma weaponry in Halo, still sticking with small and weak fleets that could only take a hit or two. The shields on a Spartan pale in comparison to the Space marines and the raw materials are also quite different (weaker) than a Space Marine's too.
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[QUOTE=Joazzz;33557453]Well, there's at least one tactical genius...[/QUOTE]
[img]http://i.imgur.com/ngJw6.gif[/img]
The idea of a lot of small weak fleets sounds a better than having a few big strong fleets.
Sure, a space marine's armour is better, but it's not as advanced as the armour and shield of a spartan. Then again, you're right on the plasma part.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33558831]Just because they don't have to, doesn't mean they wouldn't, Remember their Armour is almost nearly a relic to them, so they'd do what they could to minimise the risk of damaging it. Lasguns aren't actually all that powerful (despite some authors describing them as such), they're used because they're easy to mass produce and easy to make the ammo for (and recharge the ammo etc) and less cumbersome, Sparta MA5B's would be equivilant of about an Autogun, which can penetrate Marine armour, if it hits the right spots, in joints, etc etc.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps the most accurate way to scale a Marine to a Spartan is by comparing them to the regular human soldiers in their respective universes. In Warhammer 40,000, Guardsmen are little more than meatshields, whereas in Halo, the average human soldier is much more "useful" by comparison. Although the Halo marine is practically the same, if not worse than the average guardsman, they hold significantly more value in the Halo universe, indicating that, although their numbers are limited compared to those of the Imperium, the odds they face are substantially less dangerous and suicidal.
Indeed, whereas your average Spartan is probably worth close to twenty to maybe even fifty men, your average Astarte is worth anywhere from several hundred to a thousand, depending on the author. Some admittedly overzealous authors have even proclaimed that a marine may be worth even a million guardsmen. This can be even further supported by the fact that there has been fluff written about lone Space Marine companies liberating entire hostile planets by themselves, pitting a few dozen Astartes against hundreds of thousands of armed soldiers, and yet still coming out on top.
A more arguable debate would be comparing a Spartan to an Imperial Guard Stormtrooper or a Cadian Kasrkin.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;33560660]This is true, from all of my reading. I've heard of it going from just simply stunning a man or knocking him over to killing him outright or blowing off limbs, at the cost of fewer shots. Pretty sure that's hot Hotshot packs work. More bang, fewer shots.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but with Hotshots, there's no selection, its essentially all high powered, mostly used in Sniper Lasguns and of course, Hell guns/Hot Shot guns
[quote]Wait, what? I hope you have a link to that because that's awesome.[/quote]
Betchers Gland:
Phase 17: Consists of two identical glands, implanted either into the lower lip, alongside the salivary glands or into the hard palette. The gland works in a similar way to the poison gland of venomous reptiles by synthesizing and storing deadly poison, which the Marines themselves are immune to due to the gland's presence. This allows a Space Marine to spit a blinding contact poison. The poison is also corrosive and can even burn away strong metals given sufficient time.
[quote]Sure, a space marine's armour is better, but it's not as advanced as the armour and shield of a spartan. Then again, you're right on the plasma part. [/quote]
Space Marine Armour is fucking advanced, probably moreso than Spartan Armour.
Just look at this shit
[img]http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/63/Mk6corvuscompositiom.JPG[/img]
Albeit the backpack at least has changed a lot with Retcons etc etc.
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33560762]
A more arguable debate would be comparing a Spartan to an Imperial Guard Stormtrooper or a Cadian Kasrkin.[/QUOTE]
Spartan would win in that case.
[QUOTE=joost1120;33560742]The idea of a lot of small weak fleets sounds a better than having a few big strong fleets.
Sure, a space marine's armour is better, but it's not as advanced as the armour and shield of a spartan. Then again, you're right on the plasma part.[/QUOTE]
If you're talking about the Spartan suit having a UI interface, then I'll just have to laugh. First of all, the's no need for that, second of all space marines DO have it built into their helmets and Dreadnaughts. If you're not talking about that, then I have no idea what you're saying because if it's stronger doesn't that mean it's more technologically advanced or did Halo's humans fuck up in their priorities?
Bonus picture:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1Kr74.jpg[/img]
space marines have an extremely advanced display in their helmets
read the horus heresy books and you'll find that out
Yeah, probably something along the lines of this
[t]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/5/57064/1356334-ss0056_1280x720_zps_interstellarmarines_concept_interface_headsupdisplay_001.jpg[/t]
Thats not a Space Marines HUD, bu tI can imagine it being similar.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33560795]Spartan would win in that case.[/QUOTE]
Don't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. Stormtroopers are taken from birth, mind-wiped, given powerful augmentations and carapace armor, and shoved into conflicts that make Reach look like a skirmish. Not only are their weapons stronger, but the vast majority of them have been through nothing but front-line combat against foes dozens of times more sadistic and brutal than the Covenant.
I'll admit, the Spartans probably have better augmentations and shielding, but the Stormtroopers have experience, better technology and essentially mindless devotion to their cause.
Space Marine have a targeter, map display, squad monitor (With vital signs and such), various sensor mode and vision enhancement, damage indicators, and then other things I currently don't remember.
Basically their helmet displays tons of tactical information to them.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;33560915]Yeah, probably something along the lines of this
[t]http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/5/57064/1356334-ss0056_1280x720_zps_interstellarmarines_concept_interface_headsupdisplay_001.jpg[/t]
Thats not a Space Marines HUD, bu tI can imagine it being similar.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media]
[QUOTE=mastermaul;33561092][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media][/QUOTE]
Meh, that really doesn't hold up to fluff.
Side note: I think my couch has developed the ability to fart, because it's starting to stink in here.
[QUOTE=biodude94566;33560296]Try adding a space. :downs:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/g6kLw.png[/img][/QUOTE]
You clearly didn't understand that he was being sarcastic, and same with all the people who voted zing...
Jesus christ how do you people live?
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;33560992]Don't be so quick to jump to that conclusion. Stormtroopers are taken from birth, mind-wiped, given powerful augmentations and carapace armor, and shoved into conflicts that make Reach look like a skirmish. Not only are their weapons stronger, but the vast majority of them have been through nothing but front-line combat against foes dozens of times more sadistic and brutal than the Covenant.
I'll admit, the Spartans probably have better augmentations and shielding, but the Stormtroopers have experience, better technology and essentially mindless devotion to their cause.[/QUOTE]
Squad of spartans, equal number of guardsmen, give them that leader that inspires furious charge + counter attack. Outfit them with power weapons.
If the spartans charge into them the spartans lose, if the guard charge into the spartans the spartans lose.
Make your move.
[QUOTE=suppertime;33561266]You clearly didn't understand that he was being sarcastic, and same with all the people who voted zing...
Jesus christ how do you people live?[/QUOTE]
Sometimes it's easy to mix up stupidity and sarcasm on the internet, no need to insult me over it.
As well, I thought zing was for when you zinged someone, not when you got zinged?
[QUOTE=biodude94566;33561374]Sometimes it's easy to mix up stupidity and sarcasm on the internet, no need to insult me over it.
As well, I thought zing was for when you zinged someone, not when you got zinged?[/QUOTE]
Yes it is, but you didn't zing him, he was being sarcastic
[QUOTE=mastermaul;33561092][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktNc6GVItU[/media][/QUOTE]
That wasn't a space marine HUD. I think it was a skull probe. Seeing as how it didn't really react to anything other then looking.
[QUOTE=suppertime;33562134]Yes it is, but you didn't zing him, he was being sarcastic[/QUOTE]
So I misunderstood him. It happens from time to time, no need to get on my case about it.
So a question outside of the fluff debate, I've pinned down the reason that my white spray is sandy in texture. It's the air humidity. The only problem is, I don't know if the air is too humid or not enough. It could just be the atmosphere around here, I've been spraying in the sun, on 20C-30C days, and the white has been the same, but it's rained recently, so maybe that a better time than when it hasn't. I've got a can of Army Painter White Primer, which according to a lot of people is high quality, so that can't be it.
[QUOTE=Dejarie;33563539]So a question outside of the fluff debate, I've pinned down the reason that my white spray is sandy in texture. It's the air humidity. The only problem is, I don't know if the air is too humid or not enough. It could just be the atmosphere around here, I've been spraying in the sun, on 20C-30C days, and the white has been the same, but it's rained recently, so maybe that a better time than when it hasn't. I've got a can of Army Painter White Primer, which according to a lot of people is high quality, so that can't be it.[/QUOTE]
Make sure that you're pointing the nozzle directly at the models. I was getting a poor prime job, and then the guys at GW noticed that the nozzle on my can is tilted so you can't aim it the can straight at the models.
[QUOTE=DeVotchKa;33557718]Exactly. Marines can supposedly shrug off pulse weaponry from the Tau armory, Tyranids evolved to be completely immune to it and both Tyranid and Marine weapons could be considered more primitive but are far more effective.[/QUOTE]
What? Tyranids are immune to Tau pulse weapons? where did you get this from?
[QUOTE=Scar;33558596]Ok, well
Guardsmen squad (without commisar) vs. Halo Marine squad.
Who do you think would win? My dosh is on the Guardsmen[/QUOTE]
I'd say the Marines. They're a bit smarter, faster-moving, and assuming there's at least one dude with a Battle-Rifle, someone is going to get head-shotted.
And that's assuming the Guardsmen don't fall apart without a Commisar. Though whether their armor could be penetrated by Halo's weaponry is up to debate, but if anyone gets lucky and hits them in a spot that isn't armored they're as good as dead.
I think they're a bit too similar to compare, really. The only difference is one has lasers and might simply call a truce if any of them feel a bit heretical that day, and the other has regular guns and is compartively less stupid.
[QUOTE=Kevinsevenalt;33562260]That wasn't a space marine HUD. I think it was a skull probe. Seeing as how it didn't really react to anything other then looking.[/QUOTE]
Skull probes don't have feet and chances are Relic didn't want to show off their crap low res bolters from up close.
The Guardsmen would win.
Their Lasguns are far stronger than the Battle and Assault-rifles of the Halo marines and their armor can withstand simple bullets.
[QUOTE=Fussy!;33564063]The Guardsmen would win.
Their Lasguns are far stronger than the Battle and Assault-rifles of the Halo marines and their armor can withstand simple bullets.[/QUOTE]
But, assuming we're talking about Cadians, they don't wear armor over everything. Hit between the pads, they're just as easy to kill as anyone else.
Plus, it depends on what the Marines are outfitted with. If they had BR's they could probably hit between the armor fairly easily, and if they had snipers there'd probably be a few casualties from the force behind the bullet alone.
Assault Rifles would spray over most of the Guardsman, so at the least he's being riddled with bullets to the torso and biceps. And shotguns might penetrate the armor altogether if it were fired close enough.
And even if none of their weapons could penetrate their armor, there's always grenades and, failing that, just hide behind something and stab them in the back as they go past.
It all falls down to what equipment the teams have, and who is leading them. The only real way to find out who would win would be a flat-out simulation, but obviously that's not going to happen.
[QUOTE=nightlord;33563988]What? Tyranids are immune to Tau pulse weapons? where did you get this from?[/QUOTE]
It's not all of them but one fleet that fought the Tau and evolved fast enough to be resistant to Tau Pulse Weapons, Hive Fleet Gorgon
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
[quote]Gorgon's cycle of adaptation began again, and soon Hormagaunts and Termagants were deployed with close to total immunity to Pulse rifle fire. These creatures overrun the main settlement of Sha'draig, forcing Shas'el Vorcah to withdraw his forces to the mountains. The Tau, in response to the creature's resistance to their current weaponry, sent Stealth Teams to recover the Kroot rifles from Pechallai's fallen defences and distribute them amongst Vorcah's surviving Fire Warriors. The enemies responses to each other continued, with the Tau racing to develop new technology and weapons and the Tyranids breeding new biological creatures with ever more suitable adaptions. At one point Gorgon spawned Hormagaunts and Gargoyles with chameleonic hides to blend in with their surroundings, making them all but hidden to the Tau except for their Battlesuit sensors. [/quote]
[QUOTE=Cone;33564181]The only real way to find out who would win would be a flat-out simulation[/QUOTE]
We must contact NASA at once!
[QUOTE=Konigstiger96;33564218]It's not all of them but one fleet that fought the Tau and evolved fast enough to be resistant to Tau Pulse Weapons, Hive Fleet Gorgon
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline][/QUOTE]
That is stupid. Why not Tyranids immune to Lasguns or bolters next as they encounter them more often?
[QUOTE=nightlord;33564343]That is stupid. Why not Tyranids immune to Lasguns or bolters next as they encounter them more often?[/QUOTE]
Apparently, this fleet evolved hyper fast or something as compared to other fleets and it's pretty small a fleet
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
And it's destroyed
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
[quote]Hive Fleet Gorgon was a Tyranid Hive Fleet which invaded the Tau Empire in 899.M41. It was relatively small compared to other Hive Fleets, but it was exceptional for its ability to quickly adapt on a biological level to new circumstances of battle. Gorgon in fact manifested more bioform varieties than any other Hive Fleet. This rapid pace of adaptation may have been unique to Gorgon, or it may have been a response to conflict with the Tau, a race who are also highly flexible and adaptable but on a technological level. Gorgon was destroyed in 903.M41 by the combined forces of the Tau and the Imperial Guard.[/quote]
[editline]4th December 2011[/editline]
[quote]Tau had learnt that Gorgon's rapid adaptation was forcing it to rely on smaller, less complex organisms able to be quickly bred and so it had relatively few larger creatures. [/quote]
Spartans and space marines either die quickly and numerously, or can take on a whole army of everything and anything depending on how the fluff warrants.
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