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[QUOTE=Maximo13;30255955]Wait, so there's both Psykers and "Mages" in the W40K Universe? Because it seems a bit fucking stupid for the Emperor to ban sorcery yet train psykers if there wasn't normal magic too.[/QUOTE] I believe that "Mages" are from the Warhammer universe.

[QUOTE=Antary;30255997]I believe that "Mages" are from the Warhammer universe.[/QUOTE] I don't know what you mean, but what I mean is that why would the Emperor ban sorcery if he is allowing training of Psykers. Aren't Psykers considered sorcerers in W40K?

What about Eldar warlocks and witches?

Psykers are "mages"essentially.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;30256084]I don't know what you mean, but what I mean is that why would the Emperor ban sorcery if he is allowing training of Psykers. Aren't Psykers considered sorcerers in W40K?[/QUOTE] As far as I know magic does not exist in WH40k, only in Warhammer. In 40k Psykers pretty much have powers like mages, but are psykers, though some people might call them wizards/mages/whatever (I'd imagine it can happen on not very civilized/advanced agricultural worlds).

[QUOTE=acds;30256867]As far as I know magic does not exist in WH40k, only in Warhammer. In 40k Psykers pretty much have powers like mages, but are psykers, though some people might call them wizards/mages/whatever (I'd imagine it can happen on not very civilized/advanced agricultural worlds).[/QUOTE] Then that means that the Emperor allowed Psyker training yet banned Psykers using their powers. He seems pretty retarded.

HERETICAL WITCHES, THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE. Bloody psykers rolling nines all the time. [editline]5th June 2011[/editline] Also sorcerers aren't exactly psykers as far as I know. Someone else who's better on fluff might be able to resolve this. I think they used different kinds of psychic foci and heresy to channel their powers. Also, chaos has sorcerers, spess mehren librarians are psykers. Just to give an example.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;30247624]In Chaos Rising, you can notice your squadmates talking about some 'dark secret' of the chapter. Could it be that they're referencing the fact that the Thousand Sons are their ancestors? Also, in what way are the Thousand sons ancestors to Blood ravens? Through gene-seed? Cloning?[/QUOTE] The most likely thing is a Traitor Legion Successor. The Bloods ravens are just a very mysterious chapter. Also something happened on Cyrene, that was also bad for the chapter (Thule Mentioned the secrets of Cyrene). Lot's of stuff from other chapters goes missing and ends up in the hands of the Blood ravens. [quote] -=Dawn of War=- Captain Gabriel Angelos mentions "the secret of Cyrene" in a transmission to Thule, who is entombed in a Dreadnought. Whether this is in reference to information from the Blood Ravens Astartes article or something else entirely is unknown. After the exterminatus of Cyrene, a piece of the planet's crust was made into a part of power armour suit. A weapon belonging to the Doom Eagles was discovered embedded in the body of an Alpha Legionnaire in the aftermath of the Tartarus campaign. It is unknown how it got there. A murdered Inquisitor was discovered near a Blood Raven fortress on Cyrene Secundus. It stands to reason he was killed by the Blood Ravens. The pistol used by Gabriel Angelos to kill Isador was discarded and later recovered by his battle brothers. The Chapter had prepared a special suit of power armour for Librarian Isador Akios before he fell to Chaos. Some claim it is cursed. Honorius Trythos Dreadnought of the 3rd company was killed on Tartarus. Sgt. Matiel was killed by Sindri in the final battle. Sgt. Tanthius is mentioned several times. It should be noted that a scout also named Tanthius was killed on Tartarus by Sindri. Unknown whether this was a retcon by relic or delibrate mistake. A Blood Ravens strike force returned to Tartarus a year after it was engulfed by a warp storm to retrieve Honorius Trythos. -=Winter Assault=- The Blood Ravens come into possession of a Missile Launcher dubbed "Unerring Thunderbolt" by IG General Sturnn. It should be noted that it was the Ultramarines, and not the Blood Ravens, who fought on Lorn V. -=Dark Crusade=- A heavy bolter belonging to the 3rd company and used against the Alpha Legion on Tartarus is later used against the Word Bearer's stronghold Deimos Peninsula by the 2nd company. Davian Thule lead the Blood Ravens to victory against the Necrons in their Catacombs. There he fought the Necron Lord and the Nightbringer. It was also here he lost his eye to the alien menace. Davian Thule reads records pertaining to the Blood Raven's past. He is clearly disturbed by them, has them destroyed and falls out of favour with the Chapter's command. Blood Ravens also fought and defeated the Tau, Word Bearers, Imperial Guard and Orks. A powerfist holding an "ancient tome of terrible knowledge" was discovered on Kronus. A journel fragment belonging to one of the men of the 1st Kronus Liberators describes the sound of a particular bolt pistol as "sound of doom itself stalking our men." Techpriests were disturbed by the destruction wrought upon the Imperial Guard vehicles at the hands of Blood Raven heavy weapons. A Heavy Bolter of particular renown used against the 1st Kronus Liberators is said to emit the death cries of all those Guardsmen killed by it. Sergeant Karolus, and a number of Space Marines, are stranded behind Tau lines after their Thunderhawk crash. They destroy an entire Hunter Cadre before being safely extracted. -=Soulstorm=- The Kaurava campaign is considered a shame upon the history of the Blood Ravens. Captain Boreale and near half the chapter were destroyed in the fighting. The Blood Ravens saw action against the Tau. One noted battle was a raid conducted against the Tau by the 9th company that saw 30 tanks and Crisis suits destroyed. Sgt. Damon of the 4th company, veteran of Kronus, would later go on to fight in the Kaurava campaign. -=Dawn of War 2 Retribution=- Governor General Lukas Alexander was killed at Victory Bay by the Blood Ravens. His powerfist was recovered from his body following the battle. -=Misc=- The Blood Ravens have a number of relics that date back to the Horus Heresy or before. It is unknown why this is. The Blood Ravens have been mistaken to be a second founding of the Blood Angels but this is false. Some say the Blood Ravens are propagating these rumours. The Blood Ravens have been rebuffed several times for naming relics after other Chapter's heroes. Whether this is due to hubris or a more sinister motive is unknown. Blood Ravens have named various relics after other Chapters without their approval, often causing some bad blood - known relics named after: Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Crimson Fists, Salamanders, Imperial Fists. Some whisper that this is intentional misdirection by the Blood Ravens to throw doubt on their origins One of the oldest Relics the Blood Ravens have is an ancient Terminator Teleport Pack - some question how a relatively young chapter possesses a device that dates at least back to the Great Crusade No Blood Raven has ever set foot on Terra, or gotten closer to it than Mars in recorded history Blood Ravens assisted the Ultramarines in a battle against one of the tendrils of Hive Fleet Leviathan. Ultramarines gifted them a blessed armour Tarkus fought the Necrons on Kronus, and earned his Terminator honours by holding off a Tomb Spyder with nothing but a frag grenade held in a vulnerable joint. This held it off long enough for them to collapse the catacombs (Dark Crusade) Tarkus has visited Vulkan, of the Salamanders chapter. The Salamanders were so impressed by his faith, they gifted him a relic flamethrower When the Blood Ravens destroy the Necrons it says that they remove the Imperial Skull from their suits and change it to the Necron Skull. Kinda sad that we don't see this in DoW2. [/quote]

In the books Tanthius was a Terminator sergeant. Huh Also I can't remember any mention of him in the original DOW. [editline]5th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=cyclocius;30256781]Psykers are "mages"essentially.[/QUOTE] Mages use "magic" Psykers use the warp.

I'm speaking in general terms, if you look at a wizard they have super-natural abilities. Psykers do also, it just comes from a different source. To all intents and purposes it's the same thing.

[QUOTE=cyclocius;30258313]I'm speaking in general terms, if you look at a wizard they have super-natural abilities. Psykers do also, it just comes from a different source. To all intents and purposes it's the same thing.[/QUOTE] Psykers are basically just the W40k version of Mages. Instead of using magic they use the Warp. They would call a Female Psyker (E.g Eldar) a Witch.

I'm really looking forward to Dark Millenium, hope they can bring the scale of Warhammer 40K to it, I saw titans in the trailer, so it's looking good so far.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;30257050]Then that means that the Emperor allowed Psyker training yet banned Psykers using their powers. He seems pretty retarded.[/QUOTE] After the council of Nikea, the Emperor Forbade Space Marines from using their psyker powers, sometime after his enthronement, it was changed. As for psykers in general, it's not really known what happened to them Pre heresy (presumably the sisters of Silence picked them up in their black ship) but after the heresy, Psykers are hunted down by the Inquisitorial Black ships and either fed to the astronominican, made into astropaths, made into inquisitors or just imprisoned or killed. As for the difference between Sorcery and Psykers, Psykers just use the warp for powers, Sorcerers use rituals, pacts and daemons for their powers.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30258790]As for the difference between Sorcery and Psykers, Psykers just use the warp for powers, Sorcerers use rituals, pacts and daemons for their powers.[/QUOTE] The Daemons exist only in the warp, that means Sorcerers draw their power from the warp, to an extent.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;30259035]The Daemons exist only in the warp, that means Sorcerers draw their power from the warp, to an extent.[/QUOTE] The difference is in the methodology. Psykers draw directly from the warp, Sorcerers also do this, but the way they do it isn't direct, they invoke rituals and pacts and stuff.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;30259058]The difference is in the methodology. Psykers draw directly from the warp, Sorcerers also do this, but the way they do it isn't direct, they invoke rituals and pacts and stuff.[/QUOTE] Do these rituals and pacts enable a Sorcerer to draw more power from the Warp? Or are they using these methods to gain favor from Tzeentch?

Generally the first, though also Generally Sorcerors follow Tzeentch, because he's pretty much the god of that.

is it possible for sorcerers and witches in the warhammer universe to be possessed/ taken over by demons? I heard a theory somewhere that the warhammer universe was actually a planet isolated by a warp storm or something in the 40k universe

[QUOTE=larrylumpy;30260758] I heard a theory somewhere that the warhammer universe was actually a planet isolated by a warp storm or something in the 40k universe[/QUOTE] Yeah it's a pretty common theory, which is probably true. Both have the same Chaos gods, they have similar races (although still fundamentally different), and most importantly they both have quite a few creatures in common (Slann for example exist in WH40k too and both are reptilian, the 40k ones being more evolved and the fantasy ones being basically toad-like, which would make sense if the fantasy is a planet in the Warp)

back in RT it was

[QUOTE=larrylumpy;30260758]is it possible for sorcerers and witches in the warhammer universe to be possessed/ taken over by demons?[/QUOTE] Yes. In fact, every time a psyker rolls a nine on damage dice (which is a ten-sided dice), he has a 9% chance to be possessed as a daemonhost. In Dark Heresy, that is.

Daemons. Daemons everywhere.

[QUOTE=Hoboharry;30259212]Do these rituals and pacts enable a Sorcerer to draw more power from the Warp? Or are they using these methods to gain favor from Tzeentch?[/QUOTE] Well imperial psykers are also able to use supernatural entities in some ways to refine their use of the warp. Just take the imperial tarot as an example. Admittedly it seems that this entity is either the emperor or somehow tied to him and they will most likely use it somewhat different to a chaos sorceror. [quote] Yeah it's a pretty common theory, which is probably true. Both have the same Chaos gods, they have similar races (although still fundamentally different), and most importantly they both have quite a few creatures in common (Slann for example exist in WH40k too and both are reptilian, the 40k ones being more evolved and the fantasy ones being basically toad-like, which would make sense if the fantasy is a planet in the Warp) [/quote] There's old WHF books that allow you to take mutations like a fused lascannon to your body and others. It was actually official by the old fluff that WHF was a part of WH40k I think. But GW retconned that out. Under the old system, it was a popular theory that Sigmar was one of the lost primarchs for instance.

40k is better until WHF gets space locusts and zombie robots.

tombkings

NO! TOMB KINGS ARE NOT NECRONS! The Tomb Kings of Nehekhara are the victims of the Great Sorcerer Nagash, they awoke from their tombs to a land of the dead. Their kingdom was reduced to a shadow of its former self. So they rebuilt, it took many years but they rebuilt their civilisation and zealously defend it from those who would take it from them. They've been known to allow explorers and travellers into their cities, to teach them of the fall of their Empire, even allowing some to live with them. They are NOT, in a Ward-ian arse-fucking off the fluff, imbued with a hatred for all living life :argh: If Anything, the Necrons are becoming the Tomb Kings and the Tomb Kings have become the old Necrons.

[QUOTE=cyclocius;30265052]NO! TOMB KINGS ARE NOT NECRONS! The Tomb Kings of Nehekhara are the victims of the Great Sorcerer Nagash, they awoke from their tombs to a land of the dead. Their kingdom was reduced to a shadow of its former self. So they rebuilt, it took many years but they rebuilt their civilisation and zealously defend it from those who would take it from them. They've been known to allow explorers and travellers into their cities, to teach them of the fall of their Empire, even allowing some to live with them. They are NOT, in a Ward-ian arse-fucking off the fluff, imbued with a hatred for all living life :argh: If Anything, the Necrons are becoming the Tomb Kings and the Tomb Kings have become the old Necrons.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing they turned into skeletons after bathing in that cursed river in their homeland?

What is the name of the chapter that suffers from some kind of high-tech insomnia and does exterminatus duties? I remember they fucked up pretty badly in one exterminatus and managed to turn a whole world to Nurgle by accident.

[QUOTE=Konigstiger96;30273929]What is the name of the chapter that suffers from some kind of high-tech insomnia and does exterminatus duties? I remember they fucked up pretty badly in one exterminatus and managed to turn a whole world to Nurgle by accident.[/QUOTE] I thought only inquisition could do exterminatus.

[QUOTE=Antary;30274763]I thought only inquisition could do exterminatus.[/QUOTE] Nope, Astartes can do Exterminatus too, although only their biggest ships are capable of doing so, although it's usually with Inquisition Sanction, inact most Exterminatus are probably done by Astartes at the request of the Inquisition, though if ti needs doing right away they can and do.