[QUOTE=Feuver;34155298]I have to strongly disagree.
Sex scenes in most arcs are just pushed in there so that there is sex.
For an example, in Hanako's arc, [sp]You didn't even kiss her yet and you're actually having sex with her.Plus the fact that you abused of her more than anything, it's not very fucking romantic. [/sp]
For another example, in Shizune's arc, [sp]There is almost no romantic evolution between shizune and Hisao, and they just start fucking at random. [/sp]
Sex in Katawa Shoujo is nothing more than to appeal the masses. It does not help the story in any way. Emi's arc is the shameless example of that.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree. Sex in the VN is here to drag the readers down and to make them aware of the gravity and seriousness of the situation.
The sex scenes serve a vital purpose in the closure and form of the relationship, they're there for emotional punctuation as well as characterizing the story. Emi's [sp]nonchalance fully fits and shapes her arc[/sp]
[QUOTE=The Calzone;34155356]I disagree on Hanako's. [sp]After the scene, Hanako directly says to Hisao that she had sex with him so that he would stop thinking of her as a daughter figure that he needed to protect, and would think of her more as a girlfriend. She said she was sick of everyone treating her like that. So yeah I thought it was handled pretty well.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]It still felt extremely forced to me. The sex was pretty bad, but okay, I'll admit it was essential for the story to end up as dramatic as it did.[/sp]
I there there is a certain level of titillation to the sex scenes, unless cumming on burn scars is a metaphor for something.
god damn AUTOMERGE
[QUOTE=Hiurst;34155363]It's cool that you're honest about it and aren't going to lie just to further your argument.
There's nothing wrong with porn anyway[/QUOTE]
Nobody else is lying, he just has a different opinion.
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155298]
Sex in Katawa Shoujo is nothing more than to appeal the masses. It does not help the story in any way. Emi's arc is the shameless example of that.[/QUOTE]
I have to say it actually did further the story in Emi's because [sp]it put you into the position of having a shallow relationship with no deeper meaning, which Hisao wanted to beyond. Emi was just using it to keep Hisao close without having to be close to him emotionally.[/sp]
Even the scenes that seem to be there just for the hells of it define the characters, as [sp]it's more casual with Emi and Lilly while it only happens once with Hanako and Rin[/sp]
[editline]11th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=chonks;34155438]I have to say it actually did further the story in Emi's because [sp]it put you into the position of having a shallow relationship with no deeper meaning, which Hisao wanted to beyond. Emi was just using it to keep Hisao close without having to be close to him emotionally.[/sp][/QUOTE]
The whole point of Emi's story was physical closeness v. emotional closeness
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155298]I have to strongly disagree.
Sex scenes in most arcs are just pushed in there so that there is sex.
For an example, in Hanako's arc, [sp]You didn't even kiss her yet and you're actually having sex with her.Plus the fact that you abused of her more than anything, it's not very fucking romantic. [/sp]
For another example, in Shizune's arc, [sp]There is almost no romantic evolution between shizune and Hisao, and they just start fucking at random. [/sp]
Sex in Katawa Shoujo is nothing more than to appeal the masses. It does not help the story in any way. [B]Emi's arc is the shameless example of that.[/B][/QUOTE]
Ya, but it was worth it. Just for that face:
[IMG]http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5678/emiv.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34155415]I completely disagree. Sex in the VN is here to drag the readers down and to make them aware of the gravity and seriousness of the situation.
The sex scenes serve a vital purpose in the closure and form of the relationship, they're there for emotional punctuation as well as characterizing the story. Emi's [sp]nonchalance fully fits and shapes her arc[/sp][/QUOTE]
There is a lot of other ways to bring gravity and seriousness than the sex. Especially when some sex scenes could've completely been avoided. I feel like the sex is a certain lack of character, finding no better words or actions to define they are in love but just go into some sort of sex-crazed moments, in a one-month relationship no less.
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155479]There is a lot of other ways to bring gravity and seriousness than the sex. Especially when some sex scenes could've completely been avoided. I feel like the sex is a certain lack of character, finding no better words or actions to define they are in love but just go into some sort of sex-crazed moments, in a one-month relationship no less.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's different for other paths, but Shizune's path took place over the entire school year.
[QUOTE=Banned?;34155498]Maybe it's different for other paths, but Shizune's path took place over the entire school year.[/QUOTE]
Sex is bad tonsil hockey forever
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155479]There is a lot of other ways to bring gravity and seriousness than the sex. Especially when some sex scenes could've completely been avoided. I feel like the sex is a certain lack of character, finding no better words or actions to define they are in love but just go into some sort of sex-crazed moments, in a one-month relationship no less.[/QUOTE]
True, the time-window was pretty short. I don't know why, it fits some characters and stories, not all of them.
However, what do you suggest, honestly? The only way I see of having the two involved in something more than more emotional A is this. Sex is a pretty big step and is a complete change of events. To have it presented like this forces you to appreciate the relationship.
[QUOTE=Banned?;34155498]Maybe it's different for other paths, but Shizune's path took place over the entire school year.[/QUOTE]
But I didn't really feel that in Shizune's arc you really had developed any feelings for Shizune.[sp] You talked to her a bit, then talked mostly to her family, Misha, and then at the very end, near the end of the school year, you finally are able to know Shizune better, the sex wasn't even really brought up between the two character.[/sp]
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34155529]True, the time-window was pretty short. I don't know why, it fits some characters and stories, not all of them.
However, what do you suggest, honestly? The only way I see of having the two involved in something more than more emotional A is this. Sex is a pretty big step and is a complete change of events. To have it presented like this forces you to appreciate the relationship.[/QUOTE]
Well, the only way I could represent it in a good light would be to do it like Clannad, but sadly, I'm kidding myself here. Clannad didn't have a single sex scene, and the characters rarely even talked about sex. However, Clannad is extremely long and focuses on friendship/relationships, without the use of the sex to represent a big step. Sometimes, just admitting your love is a step, then going through the obstacles of life with a loved one can make all the difference.
So, I will have to remove my statement that the sex in Katawa Shoujo was pretty useless. It did serve in a few arcs as a turning point in character development, but otherwise, I still feel like it was really forced because I didn't know the character enough when it happened. There was no real emotional involvement in the thing, or well, I couldn't feel any.
[QUOTE=Banned?;34155498]Maybe it's different for other paths, but Shizune's path took place over the entire school year.[/QUOTE]
So did Lilly's
[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;34155594]So did Lilly's[/QUOTE]
No, it took only half the school year.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;34155622]No, it took only half the school year.[/QUOTE]
True. [sp]In Lilly's arc, you missed the second event (tunabata or something like that?)
In Shizune's arc, you admit your love during that event.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155536]There was no real emotional involvement in the thing, or well, I couldn't feel any.[/QUOTE]
[sp]that was the point in emi's[/sp] but in all the other ones it was pretty important to the story. maybe not so much after the second or third time with lilly, by that time we got that there was love there.
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;34155656][sp]that was the point in emi's[/sp] but in all the other ones it was pretty important to the story. maybe not so much after the second or third time with lilly, by that time we got that there was love there.[/QUOTE]
[sp]The blindfold scene was pretty important[/sp]
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;34155656][sp]that was the point in emi's[/sp] but in all the other ones it was pretty important to the story. maybe not so much after the second or third time with lilly, by that time we got that there was love there.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I just have too high standards.
I just like very deep characterisation, and just having sex with any character while I only know key features of them seems like just dismissing any sort of relationship with them. My immersion, I guess.
Rin took over a whole school year. Emi's did, too.
[editline]11th January 2012[/editline]
You do a bring a point in that last post, though
For the argument AGAINST in the case of Shizunes arc, and I do agree that her arc is the weakest and most uninteresting, I do have to counter that
[sp]Even though the first sex scene (that is pre-Misha) seems out of place and unecessary, to me it just furthered Shizune as being a person who needs to be in control and uses other people. I mean she kept him bound the whole time[/sp]
Anywho, I would say that this game has erotic parts, but something can be erotic without being pornographic, atleast in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155685]Maybe I just have too high standards.
I just like very deep characterisation, and just having sex with any character while I only know key features of them seems like just dismissing any sort of relationship with them. My immersion, I guess.[/QUOTE]
I think that you're just comparing it too heavily to Clannad
Not a whole year, in the story, you have like 2 semesters, like, mid-term exams and final exams.
Shizune ends after the whole year. Emi's and Rin's end after the first semester.
[QUOTE=Jund;34155673][sp]The blindfold scene was pretty important[/sp][/QUOTE]
that scene was important yes but [sp]the bathtub scene wasn't, we just had sex not 5 minutes ago[/sp]
[QUOTE=Jund;34155709]I think that you're just comparing it too heavily to Clannad[/QUOTE]
Sorry, can't help it. Clannad was the best Slice of life I've played. :v:
Katawa Shoujo was still a good VN none the less, I just don't really agree as to why the sex was used.
As I said earlier, I'm sorry about saying the sex had no importance, because in some arcs it was very important.
I didn't particularly found Lilly scenes to be emotional. There really was a banality with Lilly. (I love you, let's have sex thing of a jig). On the other hand, Rin's scenes actually were. Not just for the act, but for the build-up and what came afterward.
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155722]Not a whole year, in the story, you have like 2 semesters, like, mid-term exams and final exams.
Shizune ends after the whole year. Emi's and Rin's end after the first semester.[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck has mid-term exams?
[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;34155727]that scene was important yes but [sp]the bathtub scene wasn't, we just had sex not 5 minutes ago[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Same could be said for anal lemons[/sp]
Rin's scene was all for the up-and-down thing, to further stimulate the confusion part. One day you're sure it's over, the other, you're fucking her.
[QUOTE=Will Wright;34155742]I didn't particularly found Lilly scenes to be emotional. There really was a banality with Lilly. (I love you, let's have sex thing of a jig). On the other hand, Rin's scenes actually were. Not just for the act, but for the build-up and what came afterward.[/QUOTE]
What I think is that Lilly depicts a certain normality and calm of a real relationship. Rin's path goes much much deeper into the character of Rin and [sp]really hits you hard as you try to understand her while she can't even understand herself.[/sp]
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34155751]Who the fuck has mid-term exams?[/QUOTE]
I do, I go at College :v:
[QUOTE=Feuver;34155771]What I think is that Lilly depicts a certain normality and calm of a real relationship. Rin's path goes much much deeper into the character of Rin and [sp]really hits you hard as you try to understand her while she can't even understand herself.[/sp]
[editline]10th January 2012[/editline]
I do, I go at College :v:[/QUOTE]
I thought term was a semester, not the whole year.
[QUOTE=Will Wright;34155742]I didn't particularly found Lilly scenes to be emotional. There really was a banality with Lilly. (I love you, let's have sex thing of a jig). On the other hand, Rin's scenes actually were. Not just for the act, but for the build-up and what came afterward.[/QUOTE]
Personally I think it just added to her character, as it's something that you wouldn't expect her to enjoy (like how she enjoys alcohol)
Even though she puts on a sophisticated, mature appearance, she uses it to hide a lot of things from others
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