[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376168][sp]you never forced her in the gun scenario either [/sp][/QUOTE]
[B]WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?[/B]
[QUOTE=Dysentery;34376181]i'm p sure pointing a gun at someone is forcing them, it's do or die at that point, quite literally[/QUOTE]
It's do or [sp]lose the relationship, too (at least in her mind, which is what we're talking about)[/sp] As I said, same type of scenario, exaggerated consequences.
its still her own choice, shes not actually being forced into doing anything
I am lost in a sea of gun metaphors that make no sense.
[QUOTE=TippZ;34376220]its still her own choice, shes not actually being forced into doing anything[/QUOTE]
^
You can say that about almost everything, it still doesn't mean you won't up in arms as you should. Just because she said "yes", it doesn't mean she wanted the action, it means she wants the system of action in which that action is incorporated into.
you can play the gun scene if you enter the correct button combinations on the main menu and have completed the hanako storyline
the combination is up down right up up down left down
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
you also have to have accessed the magic feather
Why does Hanako discussion begin jest a few hours before I finish her arc? I feel left out :saddowns:
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376021]
[sp]Unless you're saying it isn't rape because Hisao didn't know. Which is really beside the point since this argument is about whether hanako wanted the dick or not[/sp][/QUOTE]
That's exactly what I'm saying. Anything else be like saying you could claim you were raped by your toaster for willfully sticking it up your vagina, even if you secretly felt it might be a bad idea and despite being in full control. As long as you (both consenting parties in the act) remain in control of the situation, it can't qualify as rape by any standard. Awkward sexual situation that probably could and should have been avoided through proper communication? Definitely, but not rape. The gist of this is that rape is a crime, having sex with someone consenting with hidden motives isn't.
[sp]Agreed. I guess we're all using the term "rape" here very loosely. The discussion, anyway, is about whether hanako wanted the sex or if it was means to an end.[/sp]
its obvious really
Holy fuck, this is still going on!?
[editline]24th January 2012[/editline]
MountainWatcher, YOU'RE WRONG.
End of line.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376340][sp]Agreed. I guess we're all using the term "rape" here very loosely. The discussion, anyway, is about whether hanako wanted the sex or if it was means to an end.[/sp][/QUOTE]
As long as you don't call it rape/non-consensual I'm a happy camper. It is "something", but not that.
[sp]"Wanting sex" and "using it as a means towards an end" aren't mutually exclusive situations anyway. I mean, everyone has their own reasons for wanting sex; to me sex is a means of reaching pleasure as well as strengthening emotional bonds, but other people may have other reasons for sex that no one has the authority to deem "invalid". As far as the game tells us Hanako seemed to enjoy the experience save for being nervous/cautious, nothing indicates her being anything other than but happy about it in the end, really.
But as stated, the act had a sense of weirdness and confusion to it and I'm certain that was intentional on the developers part to raise some question about it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34375660][sp]And I return to my example of the gun. If I pull a gun on you and you say "yes", it's no longer rape? Shit, hold on, let me grab my rifle[/sp][/QUOTE]
no
that's a horrible analogy
stop
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376340][sp]Agreed. I guess we're all using the term "rape" here very loosely. The discussion, anyway, is about whether hanako wanted the sex or if it was means to an end.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Of course she wanted it. Only thing that might make it seem like it was forced was that she did it a bit prematurely, and with the intended purpose of keeping Hisao with her. Even so, she wanted the dick.
She'd have fucked the dude in any case.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;34376599]As long as you don't call it rape/non-consensual I'm a happy camper. It is "something", but not that.
[sp]"Wanting sex" and "using it as a means towards an end" aren't mutually exclusive situations anyway. I mean, everyone has their own reasons for wanting sex; to me sex is a means of reaching pleasure as well as strengthening emotional bonds, but other people may have other reasons for sex that no one has the authority to deem "invalid". As far as the game tells us Hanako seemed to enjoy the experience save for being nervous/cautious, nothing indicates her being anything other than but happy about it in the end, really.
But as stated, the act had a sense of weirdness and confusion to it and I'm certain that was intentional.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Fine, whether she regarded the sex as positive or negative, regardless of their consequences. And I disagree, why else would she say that she wanted sex to solidify the relationship and not merely for itself?[/sp]
MountainWatcher must have about 90% of the posts in this thread.
Get the fuck in.
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[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376658][sp]Fine, whether she regarded the sex as positive or negative, regardless of their consequences. And I disagree, why else would she say that she wanted sex to solidify the relationship and not merely for itself?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Because she knows that deep inside her heart, she craves for [sp]cock.[/sp]
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;34376726]Because she knows that deep inside her heart, she craves for cock.[/QUOTE]
Joke thief.
Are you seriously arguing about the consent of an animated character, MountainWatcher? :v:
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376658][sp]
And I disagree, why else would she say that she wanted sex to solidify the relationship and not merely for itself?[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Is that part of what sex is about though? Strengthening the relationship? Like I said, there are many reasons to have sex. And if she wants sex to strengthen the relationship, she wants the sex, no? I don't see how it could be any other way.[/sp]
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;34376726]Because she knows that deep inside her heart, she craves for cock.[/QUOTE]
yo, like
[QUOTE=Taggart;34348570]it could also be argued that she [sp]wanted the cock[/sp]
lol[/QUOTE]
thanks
[QUOTE=Taggart;34348617]because [sp]the cock[/sp] rocked her world[/QUOTE]
for stealing my joke yo
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;34376726]Because she knows that deep inside her heart, she craves for [sp]cock[/sp].[/QUOTE]
Dude spoiler tag that shit.
Hey guys, ever think that Hanako's pussy probably felt like pre-cooked bacon?
All soft and stuff?
[QUOTE=MJS_Killer;34370760]I do think that Lilly's animation wasn't as good as the others. That said, which of the animations did you guys think was the best?
For me I think it would be,
1. Shizune (Because of Misha's laughing)
2. Hanako
3. Rin and Emi (Tied because I'm not sure which of them I like better)
4. Lilly[/QUOTE]
1. Shizune
2. Rin
3. Emi
4. Lilly and Hanako
hanako's was a fucking mmd animation, fuck that
I guess.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;34376812][sp]Is that part of what sex is about though? Strengthening the relationship? Like I said, there are many reasons to have sex.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Say you're a burglar. You're poor and need to do it for food, even though it gnaws at your consciousness. You want the money, but isn't that why people rob? For money?
She wanted the consequences of the act, not the act itself. If there was an option to evade the sex and still get the closeness, she would take it.
People have sex for itself, the act itself.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Taggart;34376839]yo, like
thanks
for stealing my joke yo[/QUOTE]
Sorry bro, I'm popping in and out of this thread, so I didn't see your poasts.
[QUOTE=MountainWatcher;34376990]I guess.
[sp]Say you're a burglar. You're poor and need to do it for food, even though it gnaws at your consciousness. You want the money, but isn't that why people rob? For money?
She wanted the consequences of the act, not the act itself. If there was an option to evade the sex and still get the closeness, she would take it.
People have sex for itself, the act itself.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]There are ways to earn money besides being a burglar bro[/sp]
Mountain, your analogies suck.
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