[QUOTE=Tweevle;43741022]Ehh, "funding Valve" implies we gave them money out of charity or as a stock in their company. We didn't - we bought a product they'd made for the purposes of playing that product. They don't owe us anything more than the actual thing we bought. If you expected more than that then it's really your problem, not Valve's - they weren't selling HL as investment in their company or whatever.
The whole point of not having shareholders is they [I]aren't[/I] beholden to a bunch of people that feel entitled to tell them what to do.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It's like the notion that artists in the music industry owe their fans something through obligation. They don't. If they want to engage with fans and say 'thanks for all your support' that's great, but they don't automatically owe their fans anything. The artist did a bunch of work (either writing songs or busting their ass around the world on tour) and the fans paid money for the experience. This is the end of the transaction.
Artists have a responsibility to give their fans a [I]quality[/I] product, because they are asking money for said product. But they don't have an obligation to release any product at all if they don't want to. It's not like the fans are paying ongoing development costs to the artist.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43741096]Except the part where they mentioned trilogy/ep3 50 times in the past, I bought games in the Half-Life series fully expecting Valve to meet that outcome, and they shouldn't have ended HL2 EP2 on a cliffhanger if they didn't want that expectation, but they did and now they have to owe up to their fans. If someone went back to 2006 (2004 even, maybe even further back) and proved that the series was going to become vapour ware, and that the original fans were going to be thrown under the bus, there probably wouldn't as many sales, meaning Valve might not be swimming in cash like they are now. It's unacceptable what they are doing, and even if all that I said above didn't matter, they should have the decency of providing to their original loyal fans.[/QUOTE]
That's the risk you take in buying a product from a series that isn't finished yet. If you're buying a product only because you expect other, separate products to be released down the line, that's not really a sensible purchase to make.
Honestly, if I knew that the next instalment wouldn't arrive within the next ~7 years, I still would have bought HL2 and the episodes, because they were great products in their own right, and I expect the majority of other people would have done the same. If HL3 never gets released, I [I]still[/I] wouldn't regret buying its precursors for a second.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43739877]I am not okay with people saying we aren't entitled (as childish as it sounds), since it is Half-Life fan and Steam fans that started Valve, we are the ones that provided money to them since we liked where Half-Life was headed, we did not pay for a cliff hanger that would last 6 years with virtually no information released. If it weren't for Half-Life fans and Steam fans, Valve probably wouldn't be successful, nobody there would be rich, and Source 2? Ha, we wouldn't have even gotten to Source 1 if it weren't for us. Valve fans funded Valve because they liked Half-Life, Steam and GoldSrc/Source and wanted to see more of it, we did not fund them to throw us to the wolves and never say a word about what the people who wanted to see more of what they paid for.
Seriously, Gabe's a billionaire, who owns a business that lets him be the boss and not rely on shareholders, and guess who supplied him the cash to make this possible (Hint: The fans), we are entitled to periodic releases of anything Valve is working on, at the very least Half-Life and Source 2 since we played a major part in getting them to this stage.
Valve thinks releasing content would harm the community with all the twists and turns they make, but they are so ignorant to realise that not releasing anything and riding the hype train above and beyond has done far more damage than that ever could. I think Valve should release some information for the fans that [I] actually made them possible[/I].[/QUOTE]
funding implies that the thing you're paying for is a not-yet-realized purpose; what yall actually did was a [I]transaction[/I]
Seriously, Gabe's a billionaire, who owns a business that lets him be the boss and not rely on shareholders, and guess what made all of it possible? [I][B]their games.[/B][/I] not their soon-to-be realized plans that you guys supposedly funded
...unless you happen to have a preorder down for ep3 somewhere
We're not entitled to Episode 3, but it's pretty shitty behaviour for Valve to announce three games, release two, then dodge questions about the third one for six years while making sarcastic references to it.
[QUOTE=Juniez;43741689]funding implies that the thing you're paying for is a not-yet-realized purpose; what yall actually did was a [I]transaction[/I]
Seriously, Gabe's a billionaire, who owns a business that lets him be the boss and not rely on shareholders, and guess what made all of it possible? [I][B]their games.[/B][/I] not their soon-to-be realized plans that you guys supposedly funded
...unless you happen to have a preorder down for ep3 somewhere[/QUOTE]
Well you can go make games willy nilly and it isn't going to get you anywhere without fans, yes you are right, but Gabe and Valve don't realize how important their fans were in getting them to such high places. Honestly, I don't care about when we get HL3, but it's very ignorant of them to not clue us in on their plans, they owe us that much.
[QUOTE=supersoldier58;43742406]Well you can go make games willy nilly and it isn't going to get you anywhere without fans, yes you are right, but Gabe and Valve don't realize how important their fans were in getting them to such high places. Honestly, I don't care about when we get HL3, but it's very ignorant of them to not clue us in on their plans, they owe us that much.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
I don't care about HL3 at this point, just give me [I]something[/I] instead of "LOL HANG IN THERE" for six years.
Man, even thinking it's been 7 years makes me feel old.
What the fuck are you doing Valve. Give us something, hell give us [B]anything[/B].
[QUOTE=booster;43742885]Man, even thinking it's been 7 years makes me feel old.
What the fuck are you doing Valve. Give us something, hell give us [B]anything[/B].[/QUOTE]
"Richochet 2 just announced!!!!!!!!!!"
[QUOTE=booster;43742885]
What the fuck are you doing Valve. Give us something, hell give us [B]anything[/B].[/QUOTE]
Working on the new Source Engine version, why do you think does this thread exist?
[QUOTE=SpotEnemyBoat;43719711]Except the part where they [URL="http://www.gamespot.com/articles/half-life-2-episode-one-gold-two-dated-three-announced/1100-6151796/"]announced[/URL] a [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLkeyAa8O4g"]trilogy of episodes[/URL] to buyers of HL2.[/QUOTE]
By Christmas of 2007. Looking back, what the fuck were they smoking that they thought it could be completed that quickly.
Maybe after all these years of missing release dates we'll discover that that they have some sort of obsession with delays and the wait after EP2 is their true magnum opus.
[QUOTE=Splarg!;43746808]By Christmas of 2007. Looking back, what the fuck were they smoking that they thought it could be completed that quickly.
Maybe after all these years of missing release dates we'll discover that that they have some sort of obsession with delays and the wait after EP2 is their true magnum opus.[/QUOTE]
Nonetheless, I'm still afraid that it'll flop like Duke Nukem Forever.
[QUOTE=Antimuffin;43746685]Working on the new Source Engine version, why do you think does this thread exist?[/QUOTE]
Sure the engine is nice and all, but I want to know about Half Life. That story has been on pause for 7 years now, and I'd really like to get atleast something. New concept art for instance, or a short ARG (Knowing Valve, an ARG is inevitable.)
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The longer they wait, the higher the expectation from the fans.
Well the fact the leaked screenshot of the folder structure has both hl3 and hl3_ported suggests that originally HL3 was going to be on the Source engine, from this we can assume that the cause for the delays was
1: deciding the story would work better as a full game rather than an episode.
2: Somewhere in development some of the features or events they wanted to be in HL3 weren't possible in the Source engine, or they felt that the jump between HL2-HL3 wasn't enough to warrant putting it out on the Source engine, so of course they spent a lot of time developing Source2 so that they can put HL3 out on that.
[QUOTE=booster;43747354](Knowing Valve, an ARG is inevitable.)
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The longer they wait, the higher the expectation from the fans.[/QUOTE]
They've done the ARG just once.
The expectations have pretty much reached their peak already, they'll only fall from now on, sometimes spiking as something leaks.
[QUOTE=PHrag;43747470]They've done the ARG just once.
The expectations have pretty much reached their peak already, they'll only fall from now on, sometimes spiking as something leaks.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure they did two, with the Portal radio thing and the PotatoFoolsDay.
They've done an assload of TF2 ARGs.
Just because they've done ARGs for other games doesn't mean that they have to do an ARG for Episode 3/Half Life 3
With Adam Foster on the HL3 team I'm hoping there will be some sort of an ARG for it.
[QUOTE=Antivirus_404;43747298]Nonetheless, I'm still afraid that it'll flop like Duke Nukem Forever.[/QUOTE]
Sure it will, if you're expecting a holy grail of all games in existence. DNF was actually just a bad game, regardless of it being Duke Nukem. It was a generic shooter with horrendous load times. I wouldn't take that game if it was [I]free.[/I]
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[QUOTE=Coffee;43750019]Just because they've done ARGs for other games doesn't mean that they have to do an ARG for Episode 3/Half Life 3[/QUOTE]
But it'd be cool if they did.
Add a poster in the ep2 Lost room easteregg that says "HL3" but make it out of many bulletholes or something so somebody can't just sift through the .vpk and go "OMG GUYS HL3"
ohshit.jpg [url]http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/855b1d6d7d8e[/url]
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[url]http://hg.libsdl.org/SDL/rev/061ee02876e3[/url]
To all of the people calling ARG for Half-Life 3, didn't gabe say that they probably wouldn't bother doing something like that and just straight up make an announcement for it?
I don't have a source on it but yeah I could swear I read it somewhen in the middle of last year.
[QUOTE=lew06;43751511]To all of the people calling ARG for Half-Life 3, didn't gabe say that they probably wouldn't bother doing something like that and just straight up make an announcement for it?
I don't have a source on it but yeah I could swear I read it somewhen in the middle of last year.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't really matter if they have an ARG or not.
But I atleast really enjoyed the Portal ARGs.
What is peoples fascination with ARGs?
Christ, it's like you people have hard-ons for this unnecessary shit.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;43754160]What is peoples fascination with ARGs?
Christ, it's like you people have hard-ons for this unnecessary shit.[/QUOTE]
Builds hype the best. You're not entirely sure that it's for Half Life 3 until the end, slowly building peoples curiosity.
[QUOTE=Perhaps?;43754491]Builds hype the best. You're not entirely sure that it's for Half Life 3 until the end, slowly building peoples curiosity.[/QUOTE]
If that's the case, then does Episode 3/Half-Life 3/Whatever-they-fucking-call-it 3 really need an ARG? People are already fucking hyped because they've been waiting 7 goddamn years.
Instead of the Seven Hours War, we got the Seven Years Wait.
[QUOTE=Marcolade;43754592]If that's the case, then does Episode 3/Half-Life 3/Whatever-they-fucking-call-it 3 really need an ARG? People are already fucking hyped because they've been waiting 7 goddamn years.
Instead of the Seven Hours War, we got the Seven Years Wait.[/QUOTE]
Because it builds hype the best.
edit: Bah, what do you guys know about marketing.
[QUOTE=Perhaps?;43754762]Because it builds hype the best.[/QUOTE]
wouldn't say it builds hype the best considering lately most of the args, especially for other games, have been a series of lies and false hopes to gain attention. that and other things such as how much complexity args may have depending on who made them and for what would only appeal to a minor populace, and that the idea has simply gotten old with other game companies that have done it already.
i dont understand what a game like the next half life would need an arg for; its been widely speculated and people have been waiting for it for so long that people have forgotten that they were still waiting. i'd rather just have a random video out of no where with trailers for the game instead.
If they don't do an ARG, I want to see it just appear on the Steam store one day with 0 advertisement and see what happens.
[QUOTE=gk99;43762449]I want to see it just appear on the Steam store one day with 0 advertisement and see what happens.[/QUOTE]
i've seen this about a hundred times now
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