Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;43056683]Now I almost wish there was a TTW-esque mod for this kind of thing.[/QUOTE] I do too. Would help alleviate the bulletsponging issue I'm starting to get in Skyrim as enemies steadily gain HP but my crossbow stays static. GG.

I am playing hardcore mode on hard. After careful planning on how to kill the deathclaws at quarry i managed to kill them carefully. I only aggroed one at a time and then i would shoot it with my hunting rifle. But after i got to the quarry junction tower. I could just blast death to the by using grenade launcher. It was a good choke point as they would have to go back to the ramp and then run to get me. So the ones who would get to the ramp i could just throw grenades at them. I failed few times because i had to find the best way of killing them without using any mods or outside help. Also many times they would just come in groups of 2 and smack me to death.

[QUOTE=mikester112;43065501]Whatever you're smoking I don't want any part of it.[/QUOTE] Grampy Bone is very powerful you know. It helps him channel his shots and kill everyone.

So, when speaking of the "true" lore of FO... How badly does Bethesda have to change the story of FO4 to correct the wrong FO3/NV has done? Is the damage irreversible ?

NV didn't do much wrong apart from acknowledging 3 as canon

What was wrong with 3

[QUOTE=redBadger;43066779]What was wrong with 3[/QUOTE] Everything it was utter garbage Bethesda is terrible and the classics are flawless!

[QUOTE=redBadger;43066779]What was wrong with 3[/QUOTE] Just story inconsistencies and bad writing. If you don't compare it to the other games it's pretty good. I'm just a sucker for lore and shit.

[QUOTE=redBadger;43066779]What was wrong with 3[/QUOTE] My main beef with it is how they completely changed who the BoS are, and the fact that the military put a boatload of FEV virus under DC when in the first game it was hidden out in the ass end of a desert with good reason.

[QUOTE=Rents;43066812]My main beef with it is how they completely changed who the BoS are[/QUOTE] They really should have either played up the Outcast rivalry or switched the roles of the Brotherhood and the Outcasts

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43066785]Everything it was utter garbage Bethesda is terrible and the classics are flawless![/QUOTE] You're doing that sarcastically but you're actually 100% correct. The gameworld was cramped and not enjoyable, and the writing could have been surpassed by a creative four year old.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43066821]You're doing that sarcastically but you're actually 100% correct. The gameworld was cramped and not enjoyable, and the writing could have been surpassed by a creative four year old.[/QUOTE] An opinion completely unaffected by nostalgia or, well, opinions

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43066823]An opinion completely unaffected by nostalgia or, well, opinions[/QUOTE] Considering I only played FO 1 and 2 very recently for the first time - Yeah, I can't really be affected by nostalgia for the Fallout series. And, you know, the writing is objectively bad - the main plot revolves around something that would never been an issue, because water itself can't be irradiated, only sedimentary particles suspended in it, which would make filtering it a cinch And considering one of the mainstays of the Fallout series appears to be grey morality, the main quest of FO3 being black/white was like the writing of a child in comparison.

Ah your opinion is fact because you believe it to be fact, great

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067006]Ah your opinion is fact because you believe it to be fact, great[/QUOTE] Well, facts about water and radiation certainly are facts.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43067020]Well, facts about water and radiation certainly are facts.[/QUOTE] Yes they are But considering there is more to the game than the weak-Brita filter plotline I'd say that maybe it's mostly opinions!!!

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067038]Yes they are But considering there is more to the game than the weak-Brita filter plotline I'd say that maybe it's mostly opinions!!![/QUOTE] Yes, because the central plotline of an RPG is such an insignificant portion of the game.

[QUOTE=Rents;43066812]My main beef with it is how they completely changed who the BoS are, and the fact that the military put a boatload of FEV virus under DC when in the first game it was hidden out in the ass end of a desert with good reason.[/QUOTE] To put this in perspective. The BoS, when they were still military, slaughtered an entire team of scientists and [B]declared secession from the US in horror[/b] after finding out what FEV was and the kind of effects it could have. This was before the war, too. Mere days beforehand, yes, but they were still under the US's thumb. When they saw what was going down in Mariposa they were not very happy.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43067046]Yes, because the central plotline of an RPG is such an insignificant portion of the game.[/QUOTE] Or maybe that one aspect of a game can be weak, even if it's important, but other parts can be good??? And maybe people can have opinions about the game that vary and to pass those off as objective fact is stupid???

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067099]Or maybe that one aspect of a game can be weak, even if it's important, but other parts can be good??? And maybe people can have opinions about the game that vary and to pass those off as objective fact is stupid???[/QUOTE] Only part I was passing off as an objective fact was the.. you know, facts part. Where the writing is bad because it is dead wrong about an objective fact?

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067006]Ah your opinion is fact because you believe it to be fact, great[/QUOTE] he gave you a well thought out argument and all you said was "rofl opinions" please stop. There's a reason everyone is worried about Bethesda writing the next fallout, it's because they're not good at it.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43067110]Only part I was passing off as an objective fact was the.. you know, facts part. Where the writing is bad because it is dead wrong about an objective fact?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Craigewan;43066821]The gameworld was cramped and not enjoyable[/QUOTE] Objective facts [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Man in the Moon;43067121]he gave you a well thought out argument and all you said was "rofl opinions" please stop. There's a reason everyone is worried about. Bethesda writing the next fallout, it's because they're not good at it.[/QUOTE] Oooh more facts Fallout New Vegas had terrible writing and I hope they never make another game, come on guys everybody knows it's a fact

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067139]Objective facts [editline]4th December 2013[/editline] Oooh more facts Fallout New Vegas had terrible writing and I hope they never make another game, come on guys everybody knows it's a fact[/QUOTE] Do you actually have a point here or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?

[QUOTE=Rents;43067154]Do you actually have a point here or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?[/QUOTE] What? And actually construct an argument to support his opinion that isn't predicated on his opinion being special without any supporting detail? Don't be daft. I thought it should be obvious that my posts are my opinion, but apparently I was spouting facts all the time, instead of just those which I labelled as facts being the facts. (That, and you know, it is a fact that the writing in Fallout 3 is much less grey than 1, 2 and NV)

[QUOTE=Rents;43067154]Do you actually have a point here or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?[/QUOTE] Yes my point is that the people who constantly circle jerk about Bethesda being the video game version of the devil and how the classic Fallout's were vastly superior in every way are wanking off their opinions despite trying desperately to pass them off as facts [QUOTE=Craigewan;43067166]What? And actually construct an argument to support his opinion that isn't predicated on his opinion being special without any supporting detail? Don't be daft.[/QUOTE] Yeah seriously dude, Bethesda is objectively terrible in every way, if you dispute that you're a retard who doesn't deserve an opinion

Wow, I missed the part where I said Bethesda was terrible - I was agreeing they are terrible at handling Fallout. I was saying they can't write, which is my opinion (with some factual basis - e.g. The main plot of FO3, which you agreed is predicated on a false assumption), and that there were things which are definitely wrong with FO3 beyond that - in my opinion.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43067181]Yes my point is that the people who constantly circle jerk about Bethesda being the video game version of the devil and how the classic Fallout's were vastly superior in every way are wanking off their opinions despite trying desperately to pass them off as facts[/QUOTE] I think it's pretty obvious that people on the internet speak for themselves and themselves only man, calm down.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;43066962]Considering I only played FO 1 and 2 very recently for the first time - Yeah, I can't really be affected by nostalgia for the Fallout series. And, you know, the writing is objectively bad - the main plot revolves around something that would never been an issue, because water itself can't be irradiated, only sedimentary particles suspended in it, which would make filtering it a cinch And considering one of the mainstays of the Fallout series appears to be grey morality, the main quest of FO3 being black/white was like the writing of a child in comparison.[/QUOTE] Considering how dirty those rivers had been per and post war might play a faction. I mean nothing like project purity was attempted there or out west to my knowledge so basically purifying an entire river system can help a lot. See if the enclave got their way then you basically doomed much more than the CW, if the BoS got their way then they control a vital resource more or less

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;43064797]You can nearly insta-kill power armor users and I think robots if you hit them in the eyes with them. From what I've read, at least. Never tried myself, just stuck to shooting them in the eyes.[/QUOTE] Is there VATS-like aiming in Fallout 1? Also I feel like "VATS" is a reference to the vats in F1.

So when I asked about the lore.. I didnt mean to say how Bad bethesda was at making a story, Just how much DID they change from the original lore? So far im getting BoS and the Fev incident.. I also heard they messed up what the G.E.C.K was too? Any other big things in the lore that i'm missing?