Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152749]There are psykers in Fallout? Oh wow [URL=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Psyker]there are[/url] Yeah that's fine nothing ridiculous there but intelligent robots fuck that!!!!!![/QUOTE] It's probably an aesthetic thing; we think of Fallout machines as big and clunky like what we see in 50's sci-fi, and having an android a'la Data in Fallout probably doesn't fit. Fact is that psykers have technically been in the game since the beginning; they've even been the recent Bethbryo titles. Still, there should probably remain a damper on the whole psychic thing, since as one of the main guys said "some of the things in the canon could bring the world to Childhood's End before you can say 'Uh, his eyes are glowing?'"; make it a rare thing that very few people actually have so that being a psyker has more impact than just being your average Eldar on a Craftworld full of Eldar.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152804]Unless of course a sealed off society of top grade scientists invented new technology or something Nah that's crazy no advancement ever [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] Oh and I think the conversation regarding the existence of micro-scale computers and shit was had a few pages back, and it seems obvious that not everything was powered by vacuum tubes[/QUOTE]that's a huge jump from "not everything was powered by vacuum tubes" to suddenly having extremely micro components needed to make an android, the reliance on fussion wouldn't even be a thing if the institute is suddenly able to make transistors & microchips easily enough that they can make so many androids that an underground movement starts wanting to free them [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] i don't really have too much of a problem with it except they look way too human for the time span they've been working with, idk it just seems sort of not fallout-y if they can make androids then all their technology within the institute would look nothing like any of the technology outside of the institute (i guess that's what they could be going for)

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;43152883]i don't really have too much of a problem with it except they look way too human for the time span they've been working with, idk it just seems sort of not fallout-y[/QUOTE] Two hundred years in the Institute of Technology playing around with new fangled robots seems pretty reasonable to invent and produce some actual new technology Yeah maybe they shouldn't be exactly human but with bright blue eyes but technology can't be co-opted pre-war tech forever, eventually people are going to go forward [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] I really find it funny that people would be upset that Fallout 4 would contain androids given that one of the most whinged about parts of Fallout 3 was that it felt like there hadn't been any actual passage of time

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152945]Two hundred years in the Institute of Technology playing around with new fangled robots seems pretty reasonable to invent and produce some actual new technology Yeah maybe they shouldn't be exactly human but with bright blue eyes but technology can't be co-opted pre-war tech forever, eventually people are going to go forward[/QUOTE]i agree but it just makes the unique technology of fallout lose it's appeal, if they can make androids they are way way beyond what we are capable of now with microchips. all of their technology would be very very very fancy, it's like a jump from caveman to modern day. [QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152945]I really find it funny that people would be upset that Fallout 4 would contain androids given that one of the most whinged about parts of Fallout 3 was that it felt like there hadn't been any actual passage of time[/QUOTE]the passage of time problem is to do with DC seeming like it's been a few years since the bombs hit, nothing to do with technology.

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;43152979]i agree but it just makes the unique technology of fallout lose it's appeal, if they can make androids they are way way beyond what we are capable of now with microchips. all of their technology would be very very very fancy, it's like a jump from caveman to modern day.[/QUOTE] Yeah and I do agree, making humans 2.0 that (relatively) fast seems pretty ridiculous, much more so if they exist in any substantial numbers.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152997]Yeah and I do agree, making humans 2.0 that (relatively) fast seems pretty ridiculous, much more so if they exist in any substantial numbers.[/QUOTE]ya, the railroad is the main problem. i guess they can do a fun location with really messed up androids that went wrong à la bladerunner

I don't mind Perlman not narrating Fallout. Personally I wouldn't really loose the Fallout experience if the opening cutscene wasn't narrated by the fellow we're used to narrating stuff. Nor the possibility of being an Android. It would help with some things. It would help disguise the Avatar power we have when playing RPGs (that thing where everything friendly and non could be blown away after a while, but we can be bullet sponges.) It could introduce the ability to upgrade our abilities or give us an excuse to roleplay leveling (as "upgrading ourselves") Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks that Perlman might not narrate FO4. But overall the one thing I care about mostly is if the game itself can still be as fun as FO3 and New Vegas. And the player talking might be cool too, especially if Bethesda could do what Saints Row does and gives us some voices to choose from. And if FO4 is moddable, and so are the voice packs, then we could have all kinds of voices for our character's to talk in!

[QUOTE=benzi2k7;43153012]i guess they can do a fun location with really messed up androids that went wrong à la bladerunner[/QUOTE] Maybe a Blade Runner parody expansion would be best? That way we could choose not to have androids if we don't want androids. So long as it isn't developed during the main development cycle; if it's developed post-release that's probably fine. Speaking of post-developed DLC (I know it's going offtopic but I feel like this is an important issue), by what definition should post-release DLC be considered post-release DLC? Should it be at if the pre-production is during the downtime when the game's gone gold, whilst the main production takes place during postrelease, or should it be that the pre-production takes place AFTER release and not a moment before? I hope that makes sense.

Fallout can have the super advanced technology come along without loosing the original aesthetic appeal. It could be played as some violent clash between the satirical exaggerated style of the old world and the new, sleeker technology being invented by the institute. It'd drive the BoS and Legion fucking nuts, if not the whole wasteland, if everybody got a glance. It'd be like a newly born, scary, alien looking monolithic new thing casting its shadow over the outdated but familiar and nostalgic wasteland. You have factions hiding in the comfortable, crispy world that they know, and factions opening their arms to and beginning to utilize whatever has been birthed in the institute.

I fucking got lost in the North Vegas Sewer, and then i finally get out then my game crashes, Fuck me

[QUOTE=U.S.S.R;43153271]Fallout can have the super advanced technology come along without loosing the original aesthetic appeal. It could be played as some violent clash between the satirical exaggerated style of the old world and the new, sleeker technology being invented by the institute. It'd drive the BoS and Legion fucking nuts, if not the whole wasteland, if everybody got a glance. It'd be like a newly born, scary, alien looking monolithic new thing casting its shadow over the outdated but familiar and nostalgic wasteland. You have factions hiding in the comfortable, crispy world that they know, and factions opening their arms to and beginning to utilize whatever has been birthed in the institute.[/QUOTE] Honestly I could actually see this big scary faction coming out of the wasteland like the Enclave were in F2. It would actually make some interesting stuff where all old factions in the series take down the Institute like a war where it would make others look child's play.

Are you guys seriously working yourselves up this much over a script that's probably fake? Or over the whole "androids/Boston" thing? Or the "ugh Bethesda is (probably) making the game" thing? With like the least amount of evidence? Fucking come on people. The last two-three pages have had the most baseless speculation and bitch-festing that I've seen in ages. It's a fucking Kotaku article, who takes this as proof? Seriously. [QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;43151929]I don't think I do at all know what it means no I do not but yeah I know Bethesda is dumb and raped muh fallout because elitism but I don't think they would do away with a tradition like Ron narrating or the PC being silent Also, the PC couldn't possibly speak. There's way too much fucking dialogue, and the conversations in bethesda games don't really work like that.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;43152007]guys I'm legit terrified it's a common fact Bethesda only makes decisions to piss ME off they're going to do it again [I]and I can't stop them[/I][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;43152059]BUT WHAT IF THEY DID FALLOUT 4 WILL FEATURE REGENERATING HEALTH TROY BAKER AS THE VAULT DWELLER DUAL WIELDING QUICK MELEE SPRINTING IT'S ALL GONE TO SHIT M8[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Dick Slamfist;43152136]I 100% believe Fallout 4 is being made. I even believe it's in Boston! I just cannot buy into that script at all, it reads awfully. Bethesda wouldn't voice the guy. I'm gonna keep saying that until I believe it.[/QUOTE] Are you on cocaine or something? Aside from the Kotaku thing, there's practically 0 evidence for any of this and yet you keep posting with complaints as if all of Bethesda is personally shitting on your lawn or something. Then there's the whole "gah I hate Boston/Bethesda/androids" thing that keeps going around. Nobody ever provides anything to back this up, it just seems to be this generally accepted thing. Obviously Bethesda is shit, right? Of course they're going to fuck it all up, I hope it's not Bethesda making it, etc. Well I don't know, does anyone here actually work at Bethesda? Can we get a confirmation on the whole "Yup, we're going to fuck it up just for you guys" thing? Because if not, I don't see why everyone continues to piss themselves over who is making the game. I highly doubt it's going to be Obsidian, but whatever. And as for the Boston thing, what the hell is wrong with Boston? The fact that it's on the East coast? The fact that it has "The Institute"? Because Fallout games [i]only[/i] work if they're set in the Southwest, right? And the whole Ron Perlman thing, are you guys really throwing a fit over who narrates it, when the actual amount of time the narration takes up in the games like like a minuscule fraction of the total time spent in the game? I mean, yeah, don't get a shitty narrator, but you guys make it sound like it's a crime against nature. And androids? [QUOTE=DaysBefore;43152945]Two hundred years in the Institute of Technology playing around with new fangled robots seems pretty reasonable to invent and produce some actual new technology Yeah maybe they shouldn't be exactly human but with bright blue eyes but technology can't be co-opted pre-war tech forever, eventually people are going to go forward [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] I really find it funny that people would be upset that Fallout 4 would contain androids given that one of the most whinged about parts of Fallout 3 was that it felt like there hadn't been any actual passage of time[/QUOTE] Seriously. Look at fucking Big Mountain - they have fucking [i]brains in tanks inside robots[/i]. I would imagine that if they were able to achieve that, then a human-looking robot is not beyond the ability of another group that has been sealed away for 200 years, presumably dedicating themselves to science. And for those who claim it's "lore-breaking", so what, like the lore hasn't already been broken several times? Wasn't there a pre-FO3 game that was so out-there that nobody likes to consider it canon? Like holy shit, sometimes it feels like you guys are allergic to change.

Lol, the survivor2299 site is now playing music... What's the point? Why must this guy continue to sever my heartstrings? edit: Er, I don't know if I'm late or not now but wasn't he supposed to release his super cool CGI trailer today?

The biggest problem with androids to me is that they just aren't that interesting in my opinion. Everyone creams themselves over Blade Runner and don't get me wrong, it is an awesome movie, but I like it more for its execution than its concepts. Androids just aren't that interesting. So what, they are basically just humans made with machinery? What makes them any different from slaves or those under the influence of mind control and what not. Were it not for the overwhelming evidence presented against it in Fallout 3, I would have assumed it was just a big hoax. The Institute is just an advanced form of slavers who indoctrinated people so heavily into subordination through hypnosis and other psychological effects that they honestly believed they were artificial humans, and that Zimmer was just bullshitting to make the whole thing seem less immoral. The key words that are used to deactivate the androids and the commands would just be like hypnosis and other techniques; they are so used to responding a certain way, being trained from birth, that they act like honest to god robots. However, the whole reconstructive surgery and android part thing does negate that a little. I mean, I suppose there always is the explanation of Pinkerton just being a batshit old plastic surgeon (which he kind of is anyways) and the part just being some random nonsense to lend credibility to the lie and get you to help the Railroad and prove to Zimmer that the android is dead (and he accepts knowing that there really isn't any android but doesn't want to reveal the secret and be hunted as a slaver). All in all, I think that would be a whole hell of a lot better than "replicated humans and crazy science shit" because it fits the lore better and, in my opinion, is a bit more clever.

as for bethesda ruining things Fallout 3 wasn't my perfect baby so I can't trust them after I was allowed to suckle from the sweet teat of New Vegas I don't want to go back to their world of no plants and irradiated water

I like how you guys think that androids would be too advanced for fallout when the entirety of Big MT exists. Also those implants in new vegas.

If they went with an android main character is only because people who played through OWB were essentially more metal than flesh by the time they left with the organ replacements and perkish implants [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] Humanoid androids in fallout isn't funny when we have things like the think tank or the robobrains or the dogs. It'd like to see more of the laer technology that was apparently supposed to replace lasers and plasma, at least two facilities, the big MT and another one were working on it. I would really want to see a fallout set in a smallish area like new Vegas where you can run around but its all connected

[QUOTE=Ardosos;43153940]I like how you guys think that androids would be too advanced for fallout when the entirety of Big MT exists. Also those implants in new vegas.[/QUOTE] I don't think they are too advanced, I just think they are fucking stupid

[QUOTE=R-money;43154251]I don't think they are too advanced, I just think they are fucking stupid[/QUOTE] Because brains in jars aren't ridiculous in comparison at all.

[QUOTE=ProffesorAssHat;43154645]Because brains in jars aren't ridiculous in comparison at all.[/QUOTE] Nor giant dogs. Or robot dogs. Or mini robots with neurotic personalities. Or Personality chips. Or laser guns. or Plasma guns. Or Robots that do everything for you. Or combat robots. Or brains in robot tanks. Or super computers. Or Suitcases that terraform the landscape. Or High radiation = Slowed age span and ugly skin. Or Cars running on fusion. Or [sp]Rich people using money to live forever[/sp]. Or A casino with mounted laser cannons. Or a giant mother fucking sun laser. Yeah I think Androids would be just fine. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] OH! I also forgot about Steamtrucks, and Orbital missles. [editline]11th December 2013[/editline] Oh dear, more stuff I forgot to add. Aliens and Alien weaponry. A fucking Eldrtich Obolisk in D.C. Fallout's version of the Necronomicon. Giant shoulder mounted tesla cannons. Shoulder mounted catapults that launch Mini nuclear bombs. People in power armor acting like Knights of olde England. Melted scientists controlling entire armies of supermen. A ghoul turning into a tree. Seriously I could keep on but I won't. Androids are not a big deal.

[QUOTE=doomevil;43153447]Honestly I could actually see this big scary faction coming out of the wasteland like the Enclave were in F2. It would actually make some interesting stuff where all old factions in the series take down the Institute like a war where it would make others look child's play.[/QUOTE] the midwestern brotherhood could make for some pretty cool enemies to be honest [video=youtube;VwvnREVigyo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwvnREVigyo[/video] [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;43153459]Seriously. Look at fucking Big Mountain - they have fucking [i]brains in tanks inside robots[/i].[/QUOTE] robobrains have been a thing since fallout 1 [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] are the media tags broken again

You know, I love how everyone rails on Bethesda's games pretty much everywhere I go, saying Skyrim and Fallout 3 suck balls, yet I see more posts about either of them then about the supposedly better games. They are worse in many aspects, yes, but Bethesda can make one hugely addicting game.

Anyone got the merc radio files? I miss that station.

[QUOTE=BananaFoam;43155070]You know, I love how everyone rails on Bethesda's games pretty much everywhere I go, saying Skyrim and Fallout 3 suck balls, yet I see more posts about either of them then about the supposedly better games. They are worse in many aspects, yes, but Bethesda can make one hugely addicting game.[/QUOTE] Hell yeah. And it's not like Fallout 3 make people think that's all Fallout is. Like me, it made me interested when I checked out the Fallout wiki and started reading pages worth of information on Fallout lore. It's like people are just grasping for small sticks to hit Beth with. I mean they have issues yeah, but that's prolly why they make their games HIGHLY moddable. So people can fix/make the game even better! All for the price of free.

[QUOTE=Zezibesh;43155020] robobrains have been a thing since fallout 1 [/QUOTE] This is what I was talking about: [t]http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110722174906/fallout/images/0/0f/ThinkTank.png[/t] [editline]12th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43155090]Hell yeah. And it's not like Fallout 3 make people think that's all Fallout is. Like me, it made me interested when I checked out the Fallout wiki and started reading pages worth of information on Fallout lore. It's like people are just grasping for small sticks to hit Beth with. I mean they have issues yeah, but that's prolly why they make their games HIGHLY moddable. So people can fix/make the game even better! All for the price of free.[/QUOTE] While I agree with you on the whole, the modding capabilities could be better. Like adding weapon animations, for example.

True on that, but on a whole we can still make Incredible mods for Fallout 3 (Terrance Starship Command) and New Vegas (Project Brazil).

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43155187]True on that, but on a whole we can still make Incredible mods for Fallout 3 (Terrance Starship Command) and New Vegas (Project Brazil).[/QUOTE] Well, Project Brazil was very big but I thought it sucked so it doesn't count. Still, I see what you're saying. Bethesda's games are easily some of the most moddable I have ever seen, although this makes them generally unstable.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;43155187]True on that, but on a whole we can still make Incredible mods for Fallout 3 (Terrance Starship Command) and New Vegas (Project Brazil).[/QUOTE] The first part so far of Project Brazil was/is really interesting, considering it's like playing a whole new game. Sure, it has it's bugs, but it's actually pretty damn amazing. And I still can't get over the intro for it: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HtgYMj_p_M[/media]

Yeah, Project Brazil looks like a really neat mod. Haven't gotten around to trying it out but from the looks of it it seems really well made. [t]http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/16/15844/Screenshot93012.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/16/15844/Perfect.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/16/15844/ScreenShot508.jpg[/t] [t]http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/16/15844/BrazilGlobeMap.jpg[/t] Also pretty ambitious (the explorable areas are marked with green circles)

I haven't played Fallout 3 in a long time. Sadly I'm on a console, so no mods for me. Hm. Is it even worth going for, or should I just dick around in New Vegas like I usually do?