Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=Saza;43376337][img]http://puu.sh/65iON.png[/img] This is what I have under 'settings'. I told him to try disabling the latter two options and it resolved the issue for him - though his was a different error[/QUOTE] Yeah..didn't work out for me. Oh well, guess I'll go back to NMM.

[QUOTE=proch;43382536]Unofficially people assume FO3 is for the most part not cannon though[/QUOTE] you =/= people

No idea why they'd think that, but then again maybe it's because Bethesda wasn't able to go back to the Core Region/New California because of the issues with Interplay and the IP.

I love FO3 purely for that sweet, sweet t-45d. Sexy shit mang.

[QUOTE=ironman17;43383536]No idea why they'd think that, but then again maybe it's because Bethesda wasn't able to go back to the Core Region/New California because of the issues with Interplay and the IP.[/QUOTE] That's not the problem. The problem is that it was written so poorly that it barely fits in with the rest of the series.

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43383774]That's not the problem. The problem is that it was written so poorly that it barely fits in with the rest of the series.[/QUOTE] go cry about it (oh wait) if you don't want to accept it as canon, don't, but for gods sake stop trying to push that belief on others

So by that do you mean the storyline is trash compared to the adventures in the Core Region/New California and the Mojave, or that they messed up the aesthetic with stuff like the Institute androids?

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43383774]That's not the problem. The problem is that it was written so poorly that it barely fits in with the rest of the series.[/QUOTE] Poor writing? Sure the story wasn't as well written as the others but it isn't terrible. You feel involved with the wasteland, to a degree at least.

[QUOTE=ironman17;43383829]So by that do you mean the storyline is trash compared to the adventures in the Core Region/New California and the Mojave, or that they messed up the aesthetic with stuff like the Institute androids?[/QUOTE] Both, I imagine.

[QUOTE=Saza;43383822]go cry about it (oh wait) if you don't want to accept it as canon, don't, but for gods sake stop trying to push that belief on others[/QUOTE] What? When was I pushing my beliefs on others? You can accept Fallout 3 as canon if you want, I just don't. [QUOTE=Saza;43383822]go cry about it (oh wait)[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=proch;43382655]Someone's mad :v:[/QUOTE] You're the one pushing your beliefs on me, just because I don't count Fallout 3 as canon means that i'm "crying about it" or "getting angry" or whatever. Fallout has always been set after the rebuilding of society (or in Fallout 1's case, during the rebuilding of society, but even Fallout 1 had a lot of intact settlements), so why is everything destroyed in Fallout 3 even though it's been 200 years since the bombs dropped? If it was bombed to oblivion, why are all the buildings recognizable? Why are the big factions fighting over this patch of land that you can't even grow plants on? It's a drastic departure from the previous Fallouts and does not make a lot of sense, so I do not count it as a Fallout game. It's more like a generic post-apocalyptic story than Fallout. That doesn't mean [B]YOU[/B] have to count it as non-canon, it just means that [B]I[/B] do not because nothing makes any sense. Does that mean it's a bad game? I believe it isn't, but it's too hard to get past the barrier put up by the terrible writing when New Vegas has the same gameplay with actually good writing. I do like a lot of the ideas for settlements in Fallout 3 but none of it makes much sense. Worshipping a nuclear bomb? Interesting idea, but it's not executed as good as it could be, and it doesn't make much sense that someone would build a town around a Nuclear Bomb instead of on fertile farmland. Also the idea was done before in Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Little Lamplight/Big Town? Good ideas but once again, it doesn't make much sense. How do the children survive the Super Mutants nearby? How do they keep getting new children to come to Little Lamplight? Where do they get food and water? Also the ideas come from Vault 29 in Van Buren and the children's colony in Beyond Thunderdome. What I like about Fallout is that everything is explained and makes sense, Fallout 3 is the complete opposite. I don't regard it as a Fallout game but it still has a lot of Fallout qualities, you can regard it as a Fallout game if you want, it's not really that lore-breaking, it's just kind of cheap, in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's all bad though, T-45d is great, I like a lot of the new weapons, especially the improvised ones, it paved the way for New Vegas, the map is a lot bigger and to scale with the real world, the propaganda and ads are amazing, the radio stations are far superior to the ones in New Vegas, but I think that the negatives outweigh the positives.

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;43383834]Poor writing? Sure the story wasn't as well written as the others but it isn't terrible. You feel involved with the wasteland, to a degree at least.[/QUOTE] I dont really follow his "fallout 3 isn't canon" opinion, but you're wrong if you imply that Fallout 3's writing is at all decent its narrative falls apart as a story in its own let alone a fallout story

[QUOTE=ElectricSquid;43378763]Once the Enclave soldier was dealt with, the two paladins would get into an argument about ideology while the ranger slips out for a drink and comes back to finish off whoever remains after their inevitable fight.[/QUOTE] Yup. Plus the Ranger is most likely going to be in a bush 500 yards away with an AMR, so the paladins won't even know he's there until one of their helmets gets a third eyehole in it, and if the ranger's particularly good he could probably down all three of them. [QUOTE=Saza;43379665]you can set people as unessential though if I recall[/QUOTE] But not children. AFAIK they have to be set as unessential through a plugin because trying to do so through the console will only make them unessential for a couple frames while the engine re-essentials them.[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43382393] [sp]There are Brotherhood members on the East coast?[/sp][/QUOTE] Yup. DC's crawling with them. Literally.[QUOTE=ironman17;43383536]No idea why they'd think that, but then again maybe it's because Bethesda wasn't able to go back to the Core Region/New California because of the issues with Interplay and the IP.[/QUOTE] They think that because they're idiots who are afraid of a little change. I, for one, liked Fallout 3 and consider it a proper Fallout game. Yes it's flawed, yes it clashes with canon a few times, but it's still a damn good Fallout game.

Mmhmm; sounds like they have the Old World Blues if you ask me. Also which parts of Fallout 3 clash with the Core Region/Midwest continuities?

[QUOTE=ironman17;43384300]Mmhmm; sounds like they have the Old World Blues if you ask me. Also which parts of Fallout 3 clash with the Core Region/Midwest continuities?[/QUOTE] It doesn't really clash with the older games or New Vegas but it kind of cheapens the whole thing if you ask me. A lot of things in Fallout 3 were shoehorned in, and while they tried to make them make sense with the whole story, once again, Bethesda are quite bad writers, so it just felt like cheap ways out. (Super Mutants, Brotherhood of Steel White Knights, etc)

[QUOTE=ironman17;43384300]Mmhmm; sounds like they have the Old World Blues if you ask me. Also which parts of Fallout 3 clash with the Core Region/Midwest continuities?[/QUOTE] Im no Fallout lore buff, but from what I can tell it has a lot to do with the super mutants, enclaves and BoS' presence in the wasteland

Also, as stated earlier, why are there so many towns and people fighting over the Capitol Wasteland anyway? It's inhospitable, you can't grow food there, why would anyone want to waste their effort fighting over it? It makes sense that the Enclave would retreat there because no-one else would want to live there or fight over it, but suddenly the Brotherhood of Steel are huge and are trying to make the entire area good again? What's the point? It's going to stay shit for thousands of years until it becomes hospitable again, they should've just left and found a fertile area. Why are there so many towns in the Capitol Wasteland? Where do they get their food/water when it's practically nonexistant?

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43383995]blankquote[/QUOTE] I can't remember where exactly I read this, but the bombs were detonated higher up in-atmosphere to maximize civilian casualties. I'm not condoning the writing, but I'll accept the environment as canon. (the plot, on the otherhand, I'm not really sure about what to think) finally, I guess you're probably unaware you came off as such, but the post which you said "Fallout 3? what's that?" more or less implies you don't follow FO3 as canon and nor should anyone else (as it was said in regards to something that was established lore, someone had answered your question of lore with it and you blew that off p. much instantly)

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43384386]Also, as stated earlier, why are there so many towns and people fighting over the Capitol Wasteland anyway? It's inhospitable, you can't grow food there, why would anyone want to waste their effort fighting over it? It makes sense that the Enclave would retreat there because no-one else would want to live there or fight over it, but suddenly the Brotherhood of Steel are huge and are trying to make the entire area good again? What's the point? It's going to stay shit for thousands of years until it becomes hospitable again, they should've just left and found a fertile area. Why are there so many towns in the Capitol Wasteland? Where do they get their food/water when it's practically nonexistant?[/QUOTE] You might be thinking too deeply into it.

Say what you want, but I think Fallout 3 is great, and that's how I got into the series. Sure, the transition to Fallout: New Vegas was a bit hard, but when I got past that, I learned to appreciate both games for their intriguing atmospheres and beautifully immersive but perillous worlds. In the end, my preference goes to Fallout New Vegas, but slightly. Fallout 3 had its fair share of memorable moments.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;43384654]Say what you want, but I think Fallout 3 is great, and that's how I got into the series. Sure, the transition to Fallout: New Vegas was a bit hard, but when I got past that, I learned to appreciate both games for their intriguing atmospheres and beautifully immersive but perillous worlds. In the end, my preference goes to Fallout New Vegas, but slightly. Fallout 3 had its fair share of memorable moments.[/QUOTE] Fallout 3 was my first Fallout as well, but after I beat it I went and played the originals and loved them too. This opinion's been posted countless times, but an environment like 3's with the gameplay mechanics of NV (gunplay, reputation, etc) would be sweet the best and those are what each game has over the other.

Does anyone know of a mod that combines the GRA weapons with the vanilla ones? It bothers me to no end that there are two different types of the same weapons and I can only use the GRA mods on one of them.

Fallout 3's plot is a little hard to chew if you played the first two games and it has some plotholes for sure but I credit it for bringing the Fallout series back into the spotlight and getting a LOT of people interested into the series. If anything, I don't think we'd have had New Vegas without Fallout 3, so there's that.

ye 3's existence is pretty much retroactively justified by New Vegas [editline]2nd January[/editline] so like even if you don't like 3 then it's pretty much pointless to keep going on about it

[QUOTE=Dr.Pootis;43385176]Does anyone know of a mod that combines the GRA weapons with the vanilla ones? It bothers me to no end that there are two different types of the same weapons and I can only use the GRA mods on one of them.[/QUOTE]One of those weapon mods (WMXUE iirc) changes all Gun Runner weapons to their regular counterparts (might also buff them to GRA counterpart stats, but can't remember) so you don't end up with 2 same but different weapons requiring different mods.

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43383995] You're the one pushing your beliefs on me, just because I don't count Fallout 3 as canon means that i'm "crying about it" or "getting angry" or whatever. Fallout has always been set after the rebuilding of society (or in Fallout 1's case, during the rebuilding of society, but even Fallout 1 had a lot of intact settlements), so why is everything destroyed in Fallout 3 even though it's been 200 years since the bombs dropped? If it was bombed to oblivion, why are all the buildings recognizable? Why are the big factions fighting over this patch of land that you can't even grow plants on? It's a drastic departure from the previous Fallouts and does not make a lot of sense, so I do not count it as a Fallout game. It's more like a generic post-apocalyptic story than Fallout. That doesn't mean [B]YOU[/B] have to count it as non-canon, it just means that [B]I[/B] do not because nothing makes any sense. Does that mean it's a bad game? I believe it isn't, but it's too hard to get past the barrier put up by the terrible writing when New Vegas has the same gameplay with actually good writing. I do like a lot of the ideas for settlements in Fallout 3 but none of it makes much sense. Worshipping a nuclear bomb? Interesting idea, but it's not executed as good as it could be, and it doesn't make much sense that someone would build a town around a Nuclear Bomb instead of on fertile farmland. Also the idea was done before in Beneath the Planet of the Apes. Little Lamplight/Big Town? Good ideas but once again, it doesn't make much sense. How do the children survive the Super Mutants nearby? How do they keep getting new children to come to Little Lamplight? Where do they get food and water? Also the ideas come from Vault 29 in Van Buren and the children's colony in Beyond Thunderdome. What I like about Fallout is that everything is explained and makes sense, Fallout 3 is the complete opposite. I don't regard it as a Fallout game but it still has a lot of Fallout qualities, you can regard it as a Fallout game if you want, it's not really that lore-breaking, it's just kind of cheap, in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's all bad though, T-45d is great, I like a lot of the new weapons, especially the improvised ones, it paved the way for New Vegas, the map is a lot bigger and to scale with the real world, the propaganda and ads are amazing, the radio stations are far superior to the ones in New Vegas, but I think that the negatives outweigh the positives.[/QUOTE] If you put it into context, F3 is a badly written book/film where nothing really makes sense and your subconscious is aware something is off; "You didn't notice it, but your brain did" to quote Plinket. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvwlt4FqmS0[/media] I think this video explains it quite well.

[QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43384386]Also, as stated earlier, why are there so many towns and people fighting over the Capitol Wasteland anyway? It's inhospitable, you can't grow food there, why would anyone want to waste their effort fighting over it? It makes sense that the Enclave would retreat there because no-one else would want to live there or fight over it, but suddenly the Brotherhood of Steel are huge and are trying to make the entire area good again? What's the point? It's going to stay shit for thousands of years until it becomes hospitable again, they should've just left and found a fertile area. Why are there so many towns in the Capitol Wasteland? Where do they get their food/water when it's practically nonexistant?[/QUOTE] There's some odd implications here and there that the capital wasteland is currently going through a rather dark chapter with agriculture - there's actual farms here and there, but the only one still functioning is the brahmin ranch in the Regulator HQ. Most of them are recently abandoned or settled by hostile wildlife or raiders. Arefu used to be a larger settlement with presumably more land to farm, but several residents dismantled their shacks and left when the Family started being a trouble. If you ask me, a good way to sort out of the issue would have been to make the actual wasteland itself not quite as inhospitable as it is now. The DC Ruins can continue to be a dangerous hellhole.

Holy cocks FINALLY the Nexus pulled out the finger and let me create an account.

i liked fallout 3

i don't really mind if fo3 clashes with canon or that some people don't like it, it will always have a special place in my heart :)

I actually didn't mind Fallout 3. I just wondered, why didn't the capital have some sort of defense against bombs?