Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=Vasili;43574591]NCR are the same government that ended the old world; "If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows." They're incompetent, grossly expansive, corrupt, bureaucratic, slow, can't defend their roads or boarders properly and they want to tax you to hell over anything. Out of the main 3, House is the best choice if you want pure honesty with his intentions, and he seems to actually care about bringing humanity out of the old world and into the new via consumerism. After all, you need money to build new civilizations and what better way to do that with gambling, Fallout IKEA and robots.[/QUOTE] Except the American Government abandoned most of their democratic tendencies before the war.

Since we're talking about ENBs, what do you think of mine? [IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/703983393924858677/8BAA18EFC4D9DCF5D9E1B8E3388A6DD3B0D70944/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037317398905/15251085810DC1A0B28F284B00BF242C5B4B7F24/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365235263/CFAC7D8C585C9DE54EED28EE5743BE133BD3D916/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966491585/708616B8E6151558AA964387A73D0D4C4FEA9DDA/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365246495/AF461A867EEA905709C61A6C7CC5E5B8557F181E/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966567156/80DD80CA6757D59DA5FEFC87F8B435BEAB80F55F/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG]

Also the pro-NCR endings are always the ones that are considered canon, I think it would be the same for New Vegas when the next game comes around. If the NCR are even addressed since it will be (hopefully) be on the east coast if made by Bethesda.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;43574880]Since we're talking about ENBs, what do you think of mine[/QUOTE]That's actually pretty damn good, where'd you get it?

[QUOTE=Cone;43574821]House is only trying to rebuild civilization because he wants to control it in every way possible, forever. and plus, think about this: when Caesar dies, the Legion collapses because they have no way of replacing him - there's no democratic process, no political opponents, and no proteges or understudies who can run the Legion in his place. now apply that to House and see how far his regime would get. that's why the NCR can't be stopped, and every other major faction can be. they have a functioning system for selecting new leaders, so if you take out one then they just replace him quick as a flash. if House died, what happens to humanity's chances of survival? the entire species resting on the continued survival of one man is not a functioning system, it's a narcissist in a very precarious situation.[/QUOTE] Legion turning back into tribals? Well, with how the Courier dealt with the Fiends and the Legion (if you're on his side), its not much of a problem. That, and he's quite good with dealing with tribals by himself especially with a robot army that not even the NCR wanted to oppose by the end. House is a dictator that only cares for humanities progress into the stars, if you have ever listened to why he does things, and I've yet to catch him out lying or being dishonest with his intentions. He's a man stuck in a box with nothing to do but rebuild the world rather than look back on the past. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Tripp;43574897]Also the pro-NCR endings are always the ones that are considered canon, I think it would be the same for New Vegas when the next game comes around. If the NCR are even addressed since it will be (hopefully) be on the east coast if made by Bethesda.[/QUOTE] Since when? When you finish the NCR quests you're just given a medal and a pat on the back, great.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43574984]Legion turning back into tribals? Well, with how the Courier dealt with the Fiends and the Legion (if you're on his side), its not much of a problem. That, and he's quite good with dealing with tribals by himself especially with a robot army that not even the NCR wanted to oppose by the end. House is a dictator that only cares for humanities progress into the stars, if you have ever listened to why he does things, and I've yet to catch him out lying or being dishonest with his intentions. He's a man stuck in a box with nothing to do but rebuild the world rather than look back on the past. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] Since when? When you finish the NCR quests you're just given a medal and a pat on the back, great.[/QUOTE] [url]http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_endings[/url] [url]http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_2_endings[/url]

The way I see it. Though the NCR isn't that great in the Mojave, They're quite decent out west at least, the only reason why they're doing kind of meh there is because the rangers are being used as garrison troops rather than skirmishers, because of the general being incompetent. I see the NCR as a sort of decent power. The closer there is to one at least. If not New Arroyo which everyone seems to forget about.

We can't rely on that to determine what can be considered canon endings for future games involving the NCR, otherwise it takes away from the experience of knowing no matter what you do some slug like corrupt 'democracy' will always win with its colonial mentality because its the developers/fan favourite. The way I can see it going is the Mojave and New Vegas become a independent neutral City State.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43575119]We can't rely on that to determine what can be considered canon endings for future games involving the NCR, otherwise it takes away from the experience of knowing no matter what you do some slug like corrupt 'democracy' will always win with its colonial mentality because its the developers/fan favourite. The way I can see it going is the Mojave and New Vegas become a independent neutral City State.[/QUOTE] I don't care much really for the "Democracy" ideals they have. To me it's more that they're a lesser evil. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] I quoted democracy since each president always has several successive terms.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43575106]The way I see it. Though the NCR isn't that great in the Mojave, They're quite decent out west at least, the only reason why they're doing kind of meh there is because the rangers are being used as garrison troops rather than skirmishers, because of the general being incompetent. I see the NCR as a sort of decent power. The closer there is to one at least. If not New Arroyo which everyone seems to forget about.[/QUOTE] What we see in the Mojave is the result of NCR greedy expansionist need for resources. They're over stretched and thinned out, unable to protect caravan roads, camps or barracks around the area. The general in charge is trying his up most to be on a defensive strategy and blobbing his army the best he can at the dam without much consideration for the home fort. Espionage, sabotage and raiders from Legion or others like Fiends are rife and its only because of the Couriers (if you so pick NCR or House) that they can even remotely stable themselves in the region for a time.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43574984]Legion turning back into tribals? Well, with how the Courier dealt with the Fiends and the Legion (if you're on his side), its not much of a problem. That, and he's quite good with dealing with tribals by himself especially with a robot army that not even the NCR wanted to oppose by the end. House is a dictator that only cares for humanities progress into the stars, if you have ever listened to why he does things, and I've yet to catch him out lying or being dishonest with his intentions. He's a man stuck in a box with nothing to do but rebuild the world rather than look back on the past.[/QUOTE] my point is that putting the entire species in the hands of one (very self-obsessed) guy is extremely dangerous, quite a lot more so when that guy also literally wants to conquer the world and live forever. it's a very unnecessary and very unappealing gamble that you're taking for the sake of an authoritarian autocrat with a god complex, just because he's honest about how mental he is. and like Ulysses says, House will stick your face on a robot's screen sooner or later. if he wants to keep you around, he's going to have to - he wants immortality. and by the time he's killed you or stuck you in a tube, his honesty is going to look a lot less valuable.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43575119]We can't rely on that to determine what can be considered canon endings for future games involving the NCR, otherwise it takes away from the experience of knowing no matter what you do some slug like corrupt 'democracy' will always win with its colonial mentality because its the developers/fan favourite. The way I can see it going is the Mojave and New Vegas become a independent neutral City State.[/QUOTE] I never said that I consider it canon, I just said that Bethesda/anyone else who develops Fallout will.

[QUOTE=Vasili;43575175]What we see in the Mojave is the result of NCR greedy expansionist need for resources. They're over stretched and thinned out, unable to protect caravan roads, camps or barracks around the area. The general in charge is trying his up most to be on a defensive strategy and blobbing his army the best he can at the dam without much consideration for the home fort. Espionage, sabotage and raiders from Legion or others like Fiends are rife and its only because of the Couriers (if you so pick NCR or House) that they can even remotely stable themselves in the region for a time.[/QUOTE] Home front is fine. Only reason that Mojave is pretty mediocre is because of them unproperly using resources. They hold up in forts and have rangers out instead of settling the lines at actual strategic areas. I'd say that if it weren't for the treaty with house, it'd be slightly different. Them having to defend the strip instead of having a more mobile force. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] And you settle a lot of that in the NCR quests. Things like basing the snipers on the river instead of at a garrison in camp mccaren. The ranger situation, etcetc.

[QUOTE=Cone;43575176]my point is that putting the entire species in the hands of one (very self-obsessed) guy is extremely dangerous, quite a lot more so when that guy also literally wants to conquer the world and live forever. it's a very unnecessary and very unappealing gamble that you're taking for the sake of an authoritarian autocrat with a god complex, just because he's honest about how mental he is. [/QUOTE] So what if he wants to live forever? The guy is a genius who created robco and much of the technology around Fallout, now he's a man in a box who hasn't got anything better to do than to build and give people what they want. I'd rather have a dictator who was going to send me to the stars instead of a impeding democratic system.

He can't though. He doesn't have the ability to and the main thing about the chip is that it upgrades weapons. If he had the ability to, he could have coded it himself with the 200 years he had. [editline]17th January 2014[/editline] And again, the NCR is actually stable. They're only unstable on the frontiers. That being a result of them slowly pushing and allocating resources differently. Key point being most of the Veteran Rangers in Mexico rather than the warfront.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43575348]He can't though. He doesn't have the ability to and the main thing about the chip is that it upgrades weapons. If he had the ability to, he could have coded it himself with the 200 years he had.[/QUOTE] That's why he needs man power, he can't do everything by himself, that's why he has you to help him. Its not like he has his own factory in his club that can shit out a chip, roll itself to the legions camp and plug itself into the mainframe and upgrade his robots.

It didn't need the legion camp. There were two consoles and he gives this as exposition. One in the camp, one in the lucky 38.

I don't recall there being two consoles?

House could probably do quite a bit on his own if he took control of a securitron, like he does in his ending.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;43574880]Since we're talking about ENBs, what do you think of mine? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/703983393924858677/8BAA18EFC4D9DCF5D9E1B8E3388A6DD3B0D70944/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037317398905/15251085810DC1A0B28F284B00BF242C5B4B7F24/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365235263/CFAC7D8C585C9DE54EED28EE5743BE133BD3D916/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966491585/708616B8E6151558AA964387A73D0D4C4FEA9DDA/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365246495/AF461A867EEA905709C61A6C7CC5E5B8557F181E/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966567156/80DD80CA6757D59DA5FEFC87F8B435BEAB80F55F/1024x576.resizedimage[/t][/QUOTE] Holy hell, looks good AND manages to keep the same feeling as vanilla NV? I want it. It also has true blacks (and whites as far as I can tell). That's rare for ENB. I hate when most ENB creators wash out the images.

[QUOTE=Hatley;43575541]House could probably do quite a bit on his own if he took control of a securitron, like he does in his ending.[/QUOTE] I don't think he really has any desire to He's a obsessive playing Fallout Sim City.

Before it starts the house always wins part 2, he goes on to explain the two consoles thing.

I really don't remember him talking about two consoles.

[QUOTE=Loadingue;43574880]Since we're talking about ENBs, what do you think of mine? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/703983393924858677/8BAA18EFC4D9DCF5D9E1B8E3388A6DD3B0D70944/1024x576.resizedimage[/t] [IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037317398905/15251085810DC1A0B28F284B00BF242C5B4B7F24/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365235263/CFAC7D8C585C9DE54EED28EE5743BE133BD3D916/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966491585/708616B8E6151558AA964387A73D0D4C4FEA9DDA/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702858037365246495/AF461A867EEA905709C61A6C7CC5E5B8557F181E/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG] [IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/702859018966567156/80DD80CA6757D59DA5FEFC87F8B435BEAB80F55F/1024x576.resizedimage[/IMG][/QUOTE] I need this so badly right now.

Berserk Secruitrons are creepy [img]http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110727143659/fallout/images/8/86/BerserkSecuritron.png[/img]

[QUOTE=Vasili;43575683]I really don't remember him talking about two consoles.[/QUOTE] I just got finished talking to him about it. Before he gives you the House always wins part 2, he mentions that the only two consoles are in the lucky 38 and the fort.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43576091]I just got finished talking to him about it. Before he gives you the House always wins part 2, he mentions that the only two consoles are in the lucky 38 and the fort.[/QUOTE] As I recall I think he needs you to go to the camp do activate the robots there, as he cannot do it remotely from the Lucky 38.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;43574944]That's actually pretty damn good, where'd you get it?[/QUOTE] I made it myself, I could upload if needed. I'll take some more time to refine it though, because I've been playing F:NV with it for over 80 hours, and I've been modifying and adjusting it the whole time. [QUOTE=ClarkWasHere;43575555]Holy hell, looks good AND manages to keep the same feeling as vanilla NV? I want it. It also has true blacks (and whites as far as I can tell). That's rare for ENB. I hate when most ENB creators wash out the images.[/QUOTE] I also love the fact that it adds dynamic shadows, though very short in range. That makes a noticeable difference though. You can see some of it in the first and third picture.

Apparently I cant load New Vegas with NVSE anymore, keep getting this "Application Load Error P:00000065432" :suicide: Cant even load it through steam, rip

-snip, automerge fail-