Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44382684]Eh, I find the Legion icky and nonsensical. I don't see how anyone could think of them as a viable future for the Mojave. It's not built to last.[/QUOTE] It would have made a whole lot more sense if Caesar was using violence and barbarism to get shit done but actually used it as a cover to bring proper civilization to the wasteland, as a sort of necessary evil. I mean, just think about how awesome of a quest that would've been : - Everyone talks about how Caesar's legion is the worst thing ever. People get crucified, towns get burned, morale gets thrown to the ground. - If you don't seek the legion on your own, you are eventually brought to them. Either Way, you are greeted by Lanius who's a proper badass and a massive fucking psychopath. - You get tasks like killing bandits, stopping caravans, getting intel on spies, etc. You are given free range on how you treat those issues which means you can either burn everything to the ground like a psycho or be a bit more kind. If you're not a basic brute who kills everything, you get Caesar's attention. - Depending on whether you were completely merciless or a bit smarters you either get more stuff from Lanius or Caesar directly summons you, and he fills you in on his plan which involves using the legion as a scary presence to push off the greedy NCR and help the local settlements create their own authority, basically using the Legion as a distant threat and a reminder of "if you fuck up, we're coming to your home and we're taking everything in charge" until people can actually handle their own shit. - From this point on you can either forward Caesar's plan, or follow Lanius' more direct approach and continue being a violent asshole. - Eventually, Lanius confronts Caesar on his growing mercy, and you have to make a choice between agreeing with Lanius and murdering Caesar, turning the Legion into an actual destructive force, or help Caesar and boot off/kill Lanius. Either way, the Legion drastically changes.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44382684]Eh, I find the Legion icky and nonsensical. I don't see how anyone could think of them as a viable future for the Mojave. It's not built to last.[/QUOTE] The Legion just looks like a gang of very numerous, organized, and batshit raiders to me. Not really sure what's supposed to be appealing about them.

The game needed to have a clearly evil group to contend with the otherwise gray/grey morality

New Vegas has a fucking terrible approach to the evil side. There's basically no reward for being bad, it eliminates most of the followers from the game, and removes easy access from basically 90% of the interesting locations in the world because they're NCR oriented or filled with NCR people.

[QUOTE=Krinkels;44382621]What are you talking about? I don't remember [sp]space combat[/sp] in Zeta. I mean, there are a ton of boring hallways that are technically in space, and there's that part where you [sp]zap a bitch[/sp] with the big laser but there was something else, wasn't there?[/QUOTE] [sp]The end of the DLC has you hijacking the ship and fighting off another alien mothership while also fighting off boarding parties. It's really effing fun IMO.[/sp][QUOTE=Uncle Bourbon;44382712]no, you just press a button over and over again[/QUOTE] Well what else do you expect the captain to do?

I was looking in my screenshots and found a few of one of my old characters. [t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/612755607777015655/D92B2923693400E7868C88814A3F2F68433FAE42/[/t] [t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/612755607781611169/42F4216EFF4CCB5C88FED72C20F565183E5E5401/[/t] [t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/594747728590835572/CBF080D2FC3C42F6933581E0C0E05184D9836E08/[/t] The only thing I remember of him were the chem induced rampages.

All you'd need is a Duke Nukem outfit mod. Since we're posting old screenshots, have some more. [t]http://i.imgur.com/68cj17t.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/6Ye2nKq.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/k5up9wo.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/miXg2Zr.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/WvPb8IV.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/8OCIWGI.jpg[/t] This fucker popped into Victor's shack. I literally jumped.

[QUOTE=StoneRabbit;44383312] Since we're posting old screenshots, have some more. [t]http://i.imgur.com/miXg2Zr.jpg[/t] [/QUOTE] Jesus christ...

[t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/612756299013413727/F416BE193334EB5DAE8A725ADFF16C50BA40982C/[/t]

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44382987]New Vegas has a fucking terrible approach to the evil side. There's basically no reward for being bad, it eliminates most of the followers from the game, and removes easy access from basically 90% of the interesting locations in the world because they're NCR oriented or filled with NCR people.[/QUOTE] Another issue was that there was no legion-controlled settlements in the game. They wiped out Nipton and Searchlight rather than capture them, if Nipton and Searchlight had been actual legion-controlled merchant towns then maybe playing legion might have been worthwhile since you'd actually be able to see the benefits of legion society first hand, and have a few town/cities to go to where you don't get shot at. The legions doctrine for war makes them seem more like an army of raiders rather than an army that's actually trying to capture and hold human resources, seems like killing an entire town would be in poor interest for an army that's supposed to be capturing slaves. Could have been cool to go to searchlight and nipton, see the towns walled up and defended by legion snipers, dead raiders and powder gangers strung up outside, and actually go inside the towns to see legion society at work with tax-free merchants and slaves and whatnot.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44382987]New Vegas has a fucking terrible approach to the evil side. There's basically no reward for being bad, it eliminates most of the followers from the game, and removes easy access from basically 90% of the interesting locations in the world because they're NCR oriented or filled with NCR people.[/QUOTE] I generally have decided to always play a Legion character simply because I find their lack of appeal amongst players to be appealing. Generally, you're meant to be a bit of an NCR infiltrator when working with the Legion, as a few particular things require you to have a respectable amount of NCR fame to even get access to. Nevertheless, the idea is to pretty much get whatever needs to be done that isn't a direct slap to the face of the Legion, then you're free to anything harsh against the NCR when you're sure you haven't missed anything. As for companions.. I actually disagree. I pretty much followed Caesar's orders to the letter, and I was able to keep virtually all the companions I wanted. You just need a bit of ingenuity figuring out how to keep certain companions like Veronica, and even Arcade. I think I was even able to get Boone for a while by fooling him with an NCR uniform, but then I killed him anyway, because I hate Boone. You can be an entirely pro-legion character and the only person you're absolutely guaranteed to always lose is Arcade, who will follow you up until the point where you're retaking the dam, then he'll leave regardless. And of course, Cass is easy, because she's karma based, and New Vegas does everything it can to give you good karma, in fact, I have to work really hard to even get even the slightest amount of negative karma. As for rewards.. Believe it or not, the drop boxes you get near Cottonwood Cove are probably the absolute best faction reward in the entire game. They contain an absolutely absurd amount of ammunition for virtually all types of weapons, most ironically for energy weapons, so you're certainly well-stocked if you do play a Legion character.

the legion should have been indians would be kinda fitting

[QUOTE=Notanything;44383960]As for rewards.. Believe it or not, the drop boxes you get near Cottonwood Cove are probably the absolute best faction reward in the entire game. They contain an absolutely absurd amount of ammunition for virtually all types of weapons, most ironically for energy weapons, so you're certainly well-stocked if you do play a Legion character.[/QUOTE] The problem is you're locked into a legion play. Legion is a shit faction so nobody cares if they get declared "enemis eternalis" or whatever the pretentious latin name it is, so you can just keep playing except you have legion assassins after you. The second NCR declares you a terrorist, the remainder of your playthrough is essentially that of a terrorist since you're shot at by most of the settlements in the game. Admittedly going full scale war against the NCR is pretty fun, but it's basically all there is to do when playing legion. It's a lousy and railroadey faction and it clearly needed more development time

I also really wish there had been more legion-affiliated locations in the game. On one hand, you could basically count all of the Legion areas in the game: There's the Fort, Cottonwood Cove, Nelson, a safehouse, and a couple of encampments. Aren't the Legion supposed to be a legitimate threat to the NCR in terms of numbers?

Yeah, the game would've been a lot better if you could actually go east of the dam.

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;44384066]The problem is you're locked into a legion play. Legion is a shit faction so nobody cares if they get declared "enemis eternalis" or whatever the pretentious latin name it is, so you can just keep playing except you have legion assassins after you. The second NCR declares you a terrorist, the remainder of your playthrough is essentially that of a terrorist since you're shot at by most of the settlements in the game. Admittedly going full scale war against the NCR is pretty fun, but it's basically all there is to do when playing legion. It's a lousy and railroadey faction and it clearly needed more development time[/QUOTE] Honestly, once you do the few quests that actually are worth doing for the NCR, it matters very little once they declare you a terrorist. There is usually always very little for me to do left at that point besides exploring the wastes and killing stuff, that being labeled a terrorist actually gives me more stuff to kill, and ends up expanding what I was doing in the first place anyway. It's not like you're absolutely locked out of every interesting settlement. I can certainly get into the smaller towns without complete hostility on the way to New Vegas, the strip itself, Freeside, Westside, and a handful of others, which certainly feel far more interesting than most of the places in complete NCR territory like Camp McCarran, or Camp Golf. You know how people love going going postal in The Fort in other faction playthroughs? When the veteran NCR rangers arrive in Camp Golf, it certainly feels like an NCR equivalent to a Legion player. Nevertheless, it certainly is hard not to agree that the Legion wasn't a very fleshed out faction. It's something I can certainly lament about, but I still find ways to have fun.

Any good tweak mods for FONV? I want to add more smallish features like JIP Selective Fire.

So guys, I'm not promising anything until I get more work done on my gun mod. But seeing all of you discuss the Legion and how it needs more development it made me begin to think. What kind of settlements do you think the Legion should have, and where should they be situated? How big should they be? Does the game need more destroyed or captured areas? Does the game need more Legion raiding games? Personally I'd say yes to all of this, because I feel parts of the game world are a bit barren.

I personally enjoyed slaughtering each and every soldier of the Legion I met.

[QUOTE=doommarine23;44384395]So guys, I'm not promising anything until I get more work done on my gun mod. But seeing all of you discuss the Legion and how it needs more development it made me begin to think. What kind of settlements do you think the Legion should have, and where should they be situated? How big should they be? Does the game need more destroyed or captured areas? Does the game need more Legion raiding games? Personally I'd say yes to all of this, because I feel parts of the game world are a bit barren.[/QUOTE] I think it's hard to do settlements without it still feeling empty. Sure, you can make a few camps, but all you'd really get is default greetings and dialogue. But if I had to choose anything, I've always wanted to see a lot more NCR and Legion skirmishes. Not necessarily full-blown wars, but many more small skirmishes you'd expect from the area where NCR and Legion territory intersect. It certainly doesn't help that the Mojave already feels so dead at times.

[QUOTE=TestECull;44383136][sp]The end of the DLC has you hijacking the ship and fighting off another alien mothership while also fighting off boarding parties. It's really effing fun IMO.[/sp] Well what else do you expect the captain to do?[/QUOTE] Just watched a video of it. I am amazed that you've never found a game with more satisfying space combat.

Since we all are talking about Mothership Zeta, I still use MZ Crew Which makes no sense whatsoever but its fun to blast things to hell in space.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44382684]Eh, I find the Legion icky and nonsensical. I don't see how anyone could think of them as a viable future for the Mojave. It's not built to last.[/QUOTE] They should've made the legion actually more like the imperial rome. Flesh out their strive for virtue, their stable hierarchy and their civilian culture.

So here is a strange question regarding the gore in NV and 3.. You know how the Bloody Mess perk creates that rather obscene amount of mutilation, even to parts of the creature or person you haven't hit? Bloody mess also seems to be the only way that allows your attacks to gib the torso area of things like humans with a strong enough attack, otherwise, you are unable to do this any other way except through critical effects (Sonic emitter - Opera singer for instance). Is there a way to enable this sort of torso gibbing without the other unwanted mutilation effects of Bloody Mess?

[QUOTE=Notanything;44385228]So here is a strange question and request regarding the gore in NV and 3.. You know how bloody mess creates that rather obscene amount of mutilation, even to parts of the creature, or person you haven't hit? Bloody mess also seems to be the only way that allows your attacks to gib the torso area of things like humans with a strong enough attack, otherwise, you are unable to do this normally without the perk. Is there a way to enable this sort of torso gibbing without the other unwanted mutilation effects of Bloody Mess?[/QUOTE] doesn't that torso gibbing also basically destroy everything else except the weapons?

[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;44385247]doesn't that torso gibbing also basically destroy everything else except the weapons?[/QUOTE] Whoops, read that wrong the first time. Yes, once you gib the torso, the remaining limbs will either fall of (like they were dismembered from a blade weapon), or explode like the body. Another Bloody Mess result seems to make it so that all the limbs explode/fall off, but the torso remains intact, same things happens if you were to shoot the head.

[QUOTE=Falchion;44384808]They should've made the legion actually more like the imperial rome. Flesh out their strive for virtue, their stable hierarchy and their civilian culture.[/QUOTE] I think the entire point of Caesar's Legion is to give a bastardized version of Roman culture and history to show that people will pick and choose whatever they want to suit their own needs. He would've left out most of the things that wouldn't have benefited him, simply because he's an asshole and gives a shit only about himself. Remember that there's a major part to the story, which is that for civilization to move on, they need to stop looking to the past to survive. NCR is gonna go to shit in not too long of a time period after this war, just like how the Legion is gonna collapse due to the imminent power struggle when Caesar dies.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44382684]Eh, I find the Legion icky and nonsensical. I don't see how anyone could think of them as a viable future for the Mojave. It's not built to last.[/QUOTE] Exactly, it might work for a while but when Caesar dies the Legion dies with him, he's the only reason they've lasted this long against the NCR. Do you really think Lanius can manage the Legion on his own? All Lanius knows is how to kill.

[QUOTE=mikester112;44386006]Exactly, it might work for a while but when Caesar dies the Legion dies with him, he's the only reason they've lasted this long against the NCR. Do you really think Lanius can manage the Legion on his own? All Lanius knows is how to kill.[/QUOTE] Lanius is also easily beaten to death with a rebar club :v:

[QUOTE=Falkok15;44386049]Lanius is also easily beaten to death with a rebar club :v:[/QUOTE] When I get to Lanius, I'm going to have to kill him with a shovel too.