Fallout Series Thread V14: When i entered this thread i was hoping there would be more gambling - Games

[QUOTE=Falkok15;44386049]Lanius is also easily beaten to death with a rebar club :v:[/QUOTE] So is everyone else, really.

[QUOTE=HyperBowser;44383494][t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/612756299013413727/F416BE193334EB5DAE8A725ADFF16C50BA40982C/[/t][/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/Jyp9scG.jpg[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/lZbzfvm.png[/t] [t]http://i.imgur.com/466TMVj.jpg[/t][QUOTE=Krinkels;44384654]Just watched a video of it. I am amazed that you've never found a game with more satisfying space combat.[/QUOTE] Right, let me get this straight. You are apparently some sort of god-tier authority on what is and isn't fun or good in video games, and so because you deem it crap it [i]must[/i] be crap, right? Because that's the only reason I can think of for you to continue to call it crap despite several people telling you they enjoyed it.

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;44385958]You can finish all the factions as a bad guy. A ruthless mercenary working for NCR/Mr House or an evil overlord that takes over New Vegas, for example. Legion is more like a "stupid playthrough" than an "evil playthrough". That's the beauty of New Vegas: you decide basically everything.[/QUOTE] And you get no substantial reward for being evil. You don't get more caps (only time I actually got richer thanks to being evil was when the legion started filling those drop boxes with junk I could sell), followers (who are mostly based on karma, not faction) will refuse to follow you for being evil and there is no evil followers per say. You get basically nothing more for being evil, while the game showers you in bonuses (starting with REALLY GOOD FOLLOWERS) if you decide to be good, or even neutral.

Gee, maybe the idea is that being evil doesn't result in you having people fawning over you, and throwing all their valuables at you. I never understood that complaint. "I act like a cunt to everyone I meet and kill random people on a whim. Why doesn't anyone like me?"

I really wish Bethbryo's gibbing system applied attack velocities to the severed limbs and bits. I'd really like to get a critical hit with the boxing gloves and send their head over the Grand Canyon.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44382684]Eh, I find the Legion icky and nonsensical. I don't see how anyone could think of them as a viable future for the Mojave. It's not built to last.[/QUOTE] Obsidian had a lot more planned for them to actually make them look like a viable future for the Mojave. The whole point with the Legion is that Obsidian wanted to literally make them the Roman Empire, a place that was safe and stable but came with the necessary evil need to keep that safety and stability. The problem is, Obsidian never had the time to show any of that and went with the safe route of making them evil. [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44386639]Gee, maybe the idea is that being evil doesn't result in you having people fawning over you, and throwing all their valuables at you. I never understood that complaint. "I act like a cunt to everyone I meet and kill random people on a whim. Why doesn't anyone like me?"[/QUOTE] What about Hitler

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;44368378]especially Benny.[/QUOTE] He goes to the Legion camp? I always talk the guards into letting me blast his damn face off with a shotgun. [editline]28th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;44378291]Well Point Lookout had some interesting visuals. It was definitely the DLC that fit the most in the fallout universe as a whole because it was batshit insane without being outright silly. Anchorage was straight up boring because it was essentially just one big challenge course to get a free perk and a bunch of stupidly good gear. Zeta was just too dumb. The Pitt felt too serious and fatalist. It's the perfect example of why the game would have worked a hundred times better if it had been set twenty years after the war rather than two hundred years. Broken Steel is just a bunch of cut content re added into the game.[/QUOTE] I like snowy shooting games. I like stealth games. I went "Oh fucking hell, Anchorage is the best DLC for me!" It's a tedious, long, grueling, boring, piece of ass. I'd rather play Dead Money twice omg.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44386639]Gee, maybe the idea is that being evil doesn't result in you having people fawning over you, and throwing all their valuables at you. I never understood that complaint. "I act like a cunt to everyone I meet and kill random people on a whim. Why doesn't anyone like me?"[/QUOTE] Still, being an evil person should have benefits of extra caps and some factions that are utterly reprehensible like you, seeing you as a mercenary. Perhaps a cool gun or something as well that causes evil karma and an evil quest to get it? I 'unno.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44386639]Gee, maybe the idea is that being evil doesn't result in you having people fawning over you, and throwing all their valuables at you. I never understood that complaint. "I act like a cunt to everyone I meet and kill random people on a whim. Why doesn't anyone like me?"[/QUOTE] Oh yeah because there has never been a bunch of people uniting for crime ever in the wasteland OH WAIT Jackals, Khans, Vipers, Powder Gangers, ETC There's an entire fucking world revolving around the fact that people are dicks and like to be dicks together because, guess what ? Raiding villages and being cunts is easier with more people. More loot means everyone gets richer. The game treats you immediately like a fucking paria when you decide to be evil, but you'd assume being essentially a freelance raider would attract the attention of some people who would like to be raiders with you. Besides, befriending the legion gives you no companion, becoming an enemy of the legion gives you two companions. Helping the powder gangers gives you nothing, not helping them gives you access to an additional shop. How come all the good factions just pour stuff on you (companions, money, items, you name it) while playing an evil character nets you basically six boxes that occasionally get refilled with loot ? Maybe it's not "realistic" to expect bad people to actually follow their word and reward you, but then again, it's boring as fuck in a video game to be evil when it has literally NO REWARD. All you do is make the game harder and force yourself out of the interesting parts, because all the interesting parts revolve around being a good samaritan. It's also not exactly realistic either to have people fawn over you like a bunch of drones the instant you save their ass in a world where food, electricity, water and basically everything else is scarce as fuck. No one's gonna make me believe people are suddenly going to entrust a stranger with their most important objects and riches just because he shot a baddie one day. And why would the NCR give a shit about you ? You're a nameless peon who just happens to do the NCR's bidding without questioning anything. Yet they treat you like some sort of hero, and everyone is okay with that, even the soldiers who have been working their ass off on duty to the risk of getting shot, and who don't see any problem with one guy walking in, solving everything and taking all the fame and glory. Remember how you could do some slaver work in Fallout 3 ? Remember how some people would hire you to go beat up a junkie in some random shack for extra caps ? Remember how you could BLOW UP A FUCKING CITY for a ton of caps ? Remember how the game rewarded you with being an evil asshole with having other evil assholes like you ? All of that shit is gone in New Vegas. You have no reward for being evil, not even extra caps, not even bonus equipment, all you get is basically an easy way to end some quests since you can just storm in and murder everyone - and even that gives you basically no further reward than the fact you skipped an entire quest.

The Khans, Vipers, and Jackals are gangs which emerged from vaults and are probably unlikely to accept newcomers when they could just kill them and loot their corpse, even then by the time of New Vegas the Khans just want territory to call their own and aren't raiders anymore. The Powder Gangers were united by their hatred for the NCR, while you can work for them they have no reason to accept you into their ranks, they're using you. The Legion are bad because the game wasn't anywhere near done when they had to start wrapping up and basically all the Legion stuff was scrapped. You were originally supposed to get Joshua Graham (in Van Burren) or Ulysses (in New Vegas) as a Legion companion. I agree with people fawning over good guys being boring. I hate walking into Freeside and constantly having a King run up to give me some squirrel bits or an iguana on a stick. That shit gets dropped straight on the ground. You also get too much in general for being good, being good should make high ranking people more likely to ask for stuff, not to hand out guns and chems like candy. The Fallout 3 examples were incredibly dumb though. Blowing up Megaton to 'clear Tenpenny's view of the wasteland' when you can't even fucking see Megaton from Tenpenny Tower, there's a hill and a highway in the way. And beating up a poor woman for Moriarty isn't exactly a worthwhile quest, you get better shit by fucking Moriarty over than by just being a thug. Being a slaver could be cool, but it was also incredibly dull. Use mesmerizer on a person, if their head doesn't explode you drag them to Paradise Falls. Rinse and repeat. If you're going to go evil then you have to have agency. Just being a sociopath isn't any good because you'll be killing most things as a good guy anyway. You need to be actively taking over and making people fear you and try to get on your good side. Until then evil characters will be one dimensional characters who kill indiscriminately ad have less shit to do.

Personally, I don;t see how Legion lands can be considered safe at all. Just because the trains run on time doesn't mean they lead anywhere good.

Long story short recent fallout games fucking suck at evil characters, plain and simple. And basically all of the main factions in NV were poorly written, and either made no sense or had motivations that made no sense. Only way to play New Vegas and not go through too much cringeworthy is to go independent.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44386991]...[/QUOTE] I was actually really hoping something like slavery would be one of those features that would be returning from Fallout 3. Apparently not. Either way, maybe there was a lot of planned content to make a more evil playthrough confer some bonuses, maybe not. Like Janus Vesta said, perhaps it's done on purpose. I guess the key differences between examples of Fallout 3 and New Vegas might be due the addition of reputation, which pretty much would function as you'd expect it to. Be good to a community, and they'll respond back in a good way, but if you're a bastard to them, you really can't expect much love back. You can always try to make amends, but your image is permanently scarred. In New Vegas, I can only remember one 'benefit' from being of low reputation : Mister Holdout begins to discount his shitty stock of peashooters, and that's about it. I guess that's the only like-minded individual who doesn't resent your widespread reputation amongst the community. [QUOTE=zombini;44386680]I really wish Bethbryo's gibbing system applied attack velocities to the severed limbs and bits. I'd really like to get a critical hit with the boxing gloves and send their head over the Grand Canyon.[/QUOTE] I send head bits flying a considerable distance with the displacer glove. That's why I always loved unarmed. It reminds me though, I hope somebody is able to answer my question about gore I made a page ago.

It's pretty obvious New Vegas had to be rushed and content had to be scrapped.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44387326]It's pretty obvious New Vegas had to be rushed and content had to be scrapped.[/QUOTE] with that in mind, how hopeful can we be for a completed FO4?

Hopeless is what it is. If bethesda makes it, they're going to cut content because they're lazy fucks and can't be arsed to make things outside of their comfort zone. If another dev makes it, they'll have a stupidly tight deadline and will HAVE to cut content. We'll just have to live with the fact Bethesda's licenses will always have that rushed, good-but-could-be-more feel to them.

we will never fire a fatman from atop a moving train.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44387391]Hopeless is what it is. If bethesda makes it, they're going to cut content because they're lazy fucks and can't be arsed to make things outside of their comfort zone. If another dev makes it, they'll have a stupidly tight deadline and will HAVE to cut content. We'll just have to live with the fact Bethesda's licenses will always have that rushed, good-but-could-be-more feel to them.[/QUOTE] Lets start a Kickstarter to buy the Fallout license and sell it to Obsidian.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44387236]Long story short recent fallout games fucking suck at evil characters, plain and simple. And basically all of the main factions in NV were poorly written, and either made no sense or had motivations that made no sense. Only way to play New Vegas and not go through too much cringeworthy is to go independent.[/QUOTE] The shittiest part about the NCR is they attacked me when I was leaving the NCRF after they broke in. I wasn't even disguised. Of course, the NCR are shitheads anyway. And I killed a Veteran Ranger with Lanius' Sword in the end once :v:

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;44387391]Hopeless is what it is. If bethesda makes it, they're going to cut content because they're lazy fucks and can't be arsed to make things outside of their comfort zone. If another dev makes it, they'll have a stupidly tight deadline and will HAVE to cut content. We'll just have to live with the fact Bethesda's licenses will always have that rushed, good-but-could-be-more feel to them.[/QUOTE] main entry in the series, guaranteed bethesda is making it.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44387190]Personally, I don;t see how Legion lands can be considered safe at all. Just because the trains run on time doesn't mean they lead anywhere good.[/QUOTE] IIRC there are a few characters that say that the Legion in the east does a damn fine job of peacekeeping and its safe as fuck.

[QUOTE=Falkok15;44387504]The shittiest part about the NCR is they attacked me when I was leaving the NCRF after they broke in. I wasn't even disguised. Of course, the NCR are shitheads anyway. And I killed a Veteran Ranger with Lanius' Sword in the end once :v:[/QUOTE] I love how if you have a "bad reputation" with the NCR they send a bitchy hitsquad after you. If I hadn't been low on everything at the time I would've smitten them at once.

[QUOTE=gk99;44387627]I love how if you have a "bad reputation" with the NCR they send a bitchy hitsquad after you. If I hadn't been low on everything at the time I would've smitten them at once.[/QUOTE] I like the NCR's Idea, but they are dicks in the way of getting it. I swear if I get attacked by NCR Troopshits trying to get a Desert Eagle, I am gonna find EVERY camp, and destroy it. And when I have to go to Vault 34? I'm saving the few people in the vault. Not the big farm.

The problem with the Legion though is that if you want a stable dictatorship, then you might as well side with House since he is smart as fuck and can live forever.

[QUOTE=cdr248;44387695]The problem with the Legion though is that if you want a stable dictatorship, then you might as well side with House since he is smart as fuck and can live forever.[/QUOTE] And if you side with House you'll eventually get to go to space.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44387725]And if you side with House you'll eventually get to go to space.[/QUOTE] Really? Good! I always wanted to get more Alien Blaster Ammo!

[QUOTE=Falkok15;44387808]Really? Good! I always wanted to get more Alien Blaster Ammo![/QUOTE] Really. Except it happens after the second battle for hoover dam, so you don't get to see it.

[QUOTE=cdr248;44387626]IIRC there are a few characters that say that the Legion in the east does a damn fine job of peacekeeping and its safe as fuck.[/QUOTE] Monsters roming around everywhere doesn't sound safe to me.

[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;44388124]Monsters roming around everywhere doesn't sound safe to me.[/QUOTE] The legion would probably just exterminate anything that isn't directly domesticable and usable for resources. I mean fuck, if the moja was under control at the start of the game, you wouldn't even hear about death claws being an issue on the road to new vegas, they'd all be fucking dead and burned on a pile of tires. Fuckers would probably even crucify a deathclaw if it meant scaring the rest off.

There's a simple fix for that: make a crucifix for cazadores and another for deathclaws.