[QUOTE=kidkiller745;40923178]Uh, what?
I don't know about you, but I get pissed if someone leaves/afks within 5 minutes and it just purely wastes my time.[/QUOTE]
...What?
[editline]6th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MacaroriCheeze;40923183]"Ignoring them" isn't the best solution when it's a team game in my opinion. You're inconveniencing 4 other people for a reason that was fully avoidable if they went "Oh, I need to do stuff in 10 mins. Better not play a game."[/QUOTE]
Wow you guys have no idea what I said lol
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923184]
Wow you guys have no idea what I said lol[/QUOTE]
Then do elaborate.
what you said is a collection of English words and some semblance of grammar, but never once made sense
Riot and part of the community dislike the idea of leaving without consequences after someone in your team leaves.
I stated the arguments above, exploiting(somehow) and flaming/pushing your teammate to leave so you won't get a leave.
I said both of those arguments are dumb, illogical and can be completely ignored. There's nothing to exploit here.
I want them to implement that, not the other way around. I also have no idea what's wrong with my post
Well now I am not surprised by the dumbs anymore(except Ashxu's, he's the Riot defense squad after all)
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923184]...What?
[editline]6th June 2013[/editline]
Wow you guys have no idea what I said lol[/QUOTE]
Well it looked like you were purely saying no to the "Abandonment" alternative to leaving.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923069]
And the second one is even dumber. Again, why the fuck would you care? Just ignore them if you're such a wuss[/QUOTE]
Like this ^ looks like you are responding to him saying;
[QUOTE=Benf199105;40923033]
Just had a game where someone afkd because "i forgot i've got a soccer game i afk". Really, just ban him, he's a selfish dick and has ruined a game and wasted 20 mins for 9 other people.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923217]Riot and part of the community dislike the idea of leaving without consequences after someone in your team leaves.
I stated the arguments above, exploiting(somehow) and flaming/pushing your teammate to leave so you won't get a leave.
I said both of those arguments are dumb, illogical and can be completely ignored. There's nothing to exploit here.
I want them to implement that, not the other way around. I also have no idea what's wrong with my post[/QUOTE]
I had to read it 4 times to get it, but yeah. I know what you mean now
It's also one of the days where I can't buy a win for me. Just loss after loss, I'm not playing badly or mad, I'm just not good enough to break it :P
What he's saying was the first argument of exploiting it doesn't matter because leaving still gets a punishment for the guy who leaves so it can't really be a free exploit to avoid losses and the second one about people flaming someone to leave so they dont get a loss doesn't work in practice because you can just ignore the flamers.
Main reason Riot doesn't want to use that system is if you're playing with friends, or even duoqueueing in ranked and your team is losing the game, one of them can leave the game so the others won't suffer from a loss.
How would you feel if you're winning a ranked game when suddenly the game becomes free to leave and the outcome doesn't matter at all?
Other team still gets the win if the game is longer than 5 minutes.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923217]Riot and part of the community dislike the idea of leaving without consequences after someone in your team leaves.
I stated the arguments above, exploiting(somehow) and flaming/pushing your teammate to leave so you won't get a leave.
I said both of those arguments are dumb, illogical and can be completely ignored. There's nothing to exploit here.
I want them to implement that, not the other way around. I also have no idea what's wrong with my post
Well now I am not surprised by the dumbs anymore(except Ashxu's, he's the Riot defense squad after all)[/QUOTE]
Ah. When you put it into those terms it makes more sense.
It looks like you are bundling "exploited and people will say "leave plz u suk" as one when you meant to refer to the ignoring to the second bit.
Seriously, if you soloqueue you have the chance of 4 random people in your team leaving the game. Whereas there are 5 random people that you don't know on the enemy team, which means the enemy team has a greater chance of getting a leaver given the fact that you won't leave the game yourself.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923217]Riot and part of the community dislike the idea of leaving without consequences after someone in your team leaves.
I stated the arguments above, exploiting(somehow) and flaming/pushing your teammate to leave so you won't get a leave.
I said both of those arguments are dumb, illogical and can be completely ignored. There's nothing to exploit here.
I want them to implement that, not the other way around. I also have no idea what's wrong with my post
Well now I am not surprised by the dumbs anymore(except Ashxu's, he's the Riot defense squad after all)[/QUOTE]
On the contrary why are you even here if all you do is tell us how bad Riot is.
I mean, you're acting as if liking Riot is a taboo and everyone should hate it. Which seems like a common trend which I don't understand.
[QUOTE=ashxu;40923327]On the contrary why are you even here if all you do is tell us how bad Riot is.[/QUOTE]
Because that's completely irrelevant
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923334]Because that's completely irrelevant[/QUOTE]
then why do you keep reiterating Riot's poor quality
The problem about things you say is that it's usually some argument that holds no water. It's usually something cynical that has no real reasoning or evidence behind it.
Like when you said Aartox (or whatever) was badly designed. You just went on about how bad he was and how he was poorly designed yet didn't clarify why and such.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40923365]then why do you keep reiterating Riot's poor quality[/QUOTE]
So I can only talk about one of their stupid arguments? I am not following
[QUOTE=ashxu;40923372] or evidence behind it.[/QUOTE]
Mostly because they said that months ago, finding that is hard as fuck. I know there's someone who can confirm that.
And I always give reasons lol.
[editline]6th June 2013[/editline]
One post I could find
[url]http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=33332974#33332974[/url]
no what you end up doing is contributing nothing useful to the thread especially when you can't form complete thoughts.
My [url="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1266280&p=40923217&viewfull=1#post40923217"]second post[/url] is more than enough, I gave reasons why Riot doesn't want that and gave my thoughts about it. Saying anything against Riot is the "problem".
The issue is that the player punishment system is trash tier.
There is absolutely no incentive to spend an hour on the tribunal for 5 IP a case. I guarantee if they upped the IP to something like 50, I'd be on there every day. Get the bad toxic players banned, people realise tribunal actually does something, and the community is improved by proxy.
The issue is that people leave or rage afk and in my experience recieve no punishment, it would be nice to see the usage figures of the tribunal, how many cases are referred and how many are banned, becuase it must be an absolutely miniscule percentage.
If they reformed the tribunal people would think twice about afking, raging, intentionally feeding, trolling whatever. The ultimate problem, like blueplastic said, is that their excuses for why they don't adjust elo loss don't stack up.
If their argument (in the thread he quotes) is "people harass others to leave so they don't lose as much" doesn't stack up; at the end of the game, the people who have harassed someone else to leave should be banned or warned. They're coming at it with the idea that "oh well someone will flame someone else to try and get them to leave" but they're not assessing the fact that they should be picking up those players that are flaming in the tribunal, which comes back to my earlier point, the whole system is underpinned by a ban or punishment system which is woefully underused and shortsighted for the amount of players reported to it.
The only arguments I agree with are the ones that say that you should lose LP anyway(unless the game is less than 5 minutes long or something).
That might actually be exploited by having a duo queue throwaway smurf that will leave if it's a lose for example.
Firefox Ahri goes on sale tomorrow, that's a pretty sweet sale IMO
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[QUOTE=Blueplastic;40923531]The only arguments I agree with are the ones that say that you should lose elo anyway(unless the game is less than 5 minutes long or something).
That might actually be exploited by having a duo queue throwaway smurf that will leave if it's a lose for example.[/QUOTE]
But how often will someone go;
"man i'm gonna level a new account to 30, get a friend to smurf it as I carry myself to Challenger and if we start losing I'll leave"
?
The answer is; so few times it's not even an issue.
And the one time someone does it, and continues to leave, leaverbuster should pick them up. These situations just aren't going to happen, and the current infrastructure should be able to handle it. It's a game player by millions every month generating millions in revenue, yet they can't punish people who flame or afk.
If they fix the tribunal they'd fix all the inherent community issues there were regarding raging, trolling, flaming etc.
the problem is everything has to be taken on a case by case basis
the tribunal already takes care of that
Ben is right in saying that there's just no incentive for judging in the Tribunal whatsoever
[QUOTE=Benf199105;40923478]The issue is that the player punishment system is trash tier.
There is absolutely no incentive to spend an hour on the tribunal for 5 IP a case. I guarantee if they upped the IP to something like 50, I'd be on there every day. Get the bad toxic players banned, people realise tribunal actually does something, and the community is improved by proxy.
The issue is that people leave or rage afk and in my experience recieve no punishment, it would be nice to see the usage figures of the tribunal, how many cases are referred and how many are banned, becuase it must be an absolutely miniscule percentage.
If they reformed the tribunal people would think twice about afking, raging, intentionally feeding, trolling whatever. The ultimate problem, like blueplastic said, is that their excuses for why they don't adjust elo loss don't stack up.
If their argument (in the thread he quotes) is "people harass others to leave so they don't lose as much" doesn't stack up; at the end of the game, the people who have harassed someone else to leave should be banned or warned. They're coming at it with the idea that "oh well someone will flame someone else to try and get them to leave" but they're not assessing the fact that they should be picking up those players that are flaming in the tribunal, which comes back to my earlier point, the whole system is underpinned by a ban or punishment system which is woefully underused and shortsighted for the amount of players reported to it.[/QUOTE]
It's not just the tribunal; The whole ban system needs an overhaul at this stage. Lots of banned people just make a smurf and then continue flaming on there.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;40923596]the problem is everything has to be taken on a case by case basis
the tribunal already takes care of that
Ben is right in saying that there's just no incentive for judging in the Tribunal whatsoever[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ogris;40923597]It's not just the tribunal; The whole ban system needs an overhaul at this stage. Lots of banned people just make a smurf and then continue flaming on there.[/QUOTE]
Agreed here.
I'm not too fussed about people having to make new accounts, because again, if they are that toxic, and the ban system was well thought out, they'd get picked up again on their new account and banned again.
But yeah, the punishment system is very limp wristed and it seems Riot HQ is more focused on the champions and items (still a worthy aim) than fixing some of the core issues that the game has had since launch almost.
I use the tribunal and I had no idea it gives you IP.
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;40923678]I use the tribunal and I had no idea it gives you IP.[/QUOTE]
It pretty much doesn't
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;40923678]I use the tribunal and I had no idea it gives you IP.[/QUOTE]
They removed that long ago
Not like anybody noticed
What do you guys think of Lissandra support?
1. If you duo buddy(ies) leave, you don't get a loss forgiven etc. (Prevents easy exploit if duo)
2. Give the person leaving a harsh punishment. %based IP reduction, or flat (and enable negative IP)
2.1 If it's a new player ban him faster.
[QUOTE=Ogris;40923597]It's not just the tribunal; The whole ban system needs an overhaul at this stage. Lots of banned people just make a smurf and then continue flaming on there.[/QUOTE]
There's almost no way around that. Unless you propose something.
[editline]7th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daniellynet;40923765]1. If you duo buddy(ies) leave, you don't get a loss forgiven etc. (Prevents easy exploit if duo)
2. Give the person leaving a harsh punishment. %based IP reduction, or flat (and enable negative IP)
2.1 If it's a new player ban him faster.[/QUOTE]
Then what happens if it's a legit reason to leave? Like an emergency or internet outage?
It's not that simple of a fix.
[editline]7th June 2013[/editline]
If you're going to suggest DotA2's leave system, does it work? How well? Give some solid facts, statictics, etc. Don't just say "yeah DotA2's system sounds good why doesn't LoL use it".
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