I find Nunu as more of a second cousin rather than an original spawn.
Tbh, i really don't understand why they would rework Yi, gameplay wise.
He has a 9% playrate and one of the few champions that both have an AD and AP buildpath.
They should have just QOL buffed his AD side and keep him the way he is.
[QUOTE=Keychain;41084431]alpha strike scaling with AD? i'm suddenly a bit less excited for this rework and more nervous[/QUOTE]
....what the fuck why
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41084295]This is all cool and everything, but out of all champs that will get a rework I am most interested in Sion's new look and kit.[/QUOTE]
Well, for one they could give him an haircut. I never understood how his hair worked, I thought for the longest of time he was just some bald green skull and the hair was some sort of dark aura. How disappointing.
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41084857]....what the fuck why[/QUOTE]
Because AD Yi with AP Yi's alpha strike damage is a nightmare to imagine.
[QUOTE=Keychain;41085069]Because AD Yi with AP Yi's alpha strike damage is a nightmare to imagine.[/QUOTE]
they just said it's scaling off AD, not if its a 1.0 ratio or anything like that
[QUOTE=ColdFusion;41084856]Tbh, i really don't understand why they would rework Yi, gameplay wise.
He has a 9% playrate and one of the few champions that both have an AD and AP buildpath.
They should have just QOL buffed his AD side and keep him the way he is.[/QUOTE]
because his skill kit is really outdated
AD yi blows and is hardly played, AP yi isn't the kind of gameplay that riot + players dont want in the game
"buffing his AD side" isnt as simple as increasing some numbers
[QUOTE=polarbear.;41085119]
AD yi blows and is hardly played, AP yi isn't the kind of gameplay that riot + players dont want in the game
"buffing his AD side" isnt as simple as increasing numbers[/QUOTE]
ad yi is still good tho, as long as you jungle him
[QUOTE=Keychain;41085069]Because AD Yi with AP Yi's alpha strike damage is a nightmare to imagine.[/QUOTE]
Well I can assure you it wont have 2.0 AD scaling lol.
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[QUOTE=polarbear.;41085119]they just said it's scaling off AD, not if its a 1.0 ratio or anything like that[/QUOTE]
1.0 AP =/= 1.0 AD
1 AD is ~2 AP cost wise.
Nothing wrong with him having 1.0 AD scaling.
"For example, Alpha Strike now scales off total Attack Damage, deals physical damage and has some light interactions with critical strike and attack speed."
Funfacts to prove my point:
Lee Sin's ult has 2.0 AD scaling
Wukong's ult has 4.8 AD scaling
[QUOTE=Pie108;41084400]Sounds like AP Yi is effectively over without the AP on alpha strike.[/QUOTE]
I guess if they made it apply onhits a lich bane could work
great
even more yi players
he looks pretty awesome though
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41085270]Funfacts to prove my point:
Lee Sin's ult has 2.0 AD scaling
Wukong's ult has 4.8 AD scaling[/QUOTE]
[b]ULTIMATES[/b]
1.0 ad scaling would be nice though, for an ad carry it wouldnt translate to a huge amount of damage. More Aoe damage but a lot less single target.
[QUOTE=Ogris;41085325][b]ULTIMATES[/b]
1.0 ad scaling would be nice though, for an ad carry it wouldnt translate to a huge amount of damage. More Aoe damage but a lot less single target.[/QUOTE]
Make an ability with 4.8 AP ult and see how that will end.
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
Wukong's ult is basically physical Nunu's ult when we talk about max damage.
Wu has better scaling(0.2, to be exact) while Nunu has 200 more base damage.
I'm not sure what you meant by wu has better scaling by 0.2, because Nunu's is 2.5. Unless you are comparing relative costs of AP vs AD.
Of course I am comparing with cost.
Like I said you can't compare it just by looking at the numbers because it's not the same value.
Anyway Yi Q won't deal nearly as much damage unless he will have 2.0 AD scaling and that won't happen. It's most likely gonna be 1.0 AD
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41085338]Make an ability with 4.8 AP ult and see how that will end.
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
Wukong's ult is basically physical Nunu's ult when we talk about max damage.
Wu has better scaling(0.2, to be exact) while Nunu has 200 more base damage.[/QUOTE]
Veigar ultimate has pretty insane ratios if used on an AP target. something like 2.8 in total?
But you can't really compare them either way, landing a good cyclone is much harder than landing a good alpha strike, seeing as you're untargetable and have bigger range with only minions potentially screwing you over.
Also, i agreed with you that around 1.0 AD scaling would be good as it has a tradeoff between AoE damage and single target damage.
I just realized what's Ashe's steroid.
Her gold per kill.
Basically if you get at least 400 gold with that ability you get a free dagger which means free AS which means steroid which means Ashe is underrated
[QUOTE=Blueplastic;41085616]I just realized what's Ashe's steroid.
Her gold per kill.
Basically if you get at least 400 gold with that ability you get a free dagger which means free AS which means steroid which means Ashe is underrated[/QUOTE]
Do you even realise how much cs you would need for 400g assuming you bothered to waste your skill points on that shitty skill? that dagger would mean absolutely fucking nothing by the time you got it you might as well just play a champion that does damage and get a champion kill for 300g and then keep your opponent down for the rest of the lane
[QUOTE=Kondor;41085732]Do you even realise how much cs you would need for 400g assuming you bothered to waste your skill points on that shitty skill? that dagger would mean absolutely fucking nothing by the time you got it you might as well just play a champion that does damage and get a champion kill for 300g and then keep your opponent down for the rest of the lane[/QUOTE]
p sure he was joking
yey, got promoted to gold 2
I think I got cancer from the toxicity I was exposed to in the past few games.
[QUOTE=MrFlashcat;41085929]yey, got promoted to gold 2[/QUOTE]
i did, you just tag along ;~))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Kondor;41085732]Do you even realise how much cs you would need for 400g assuming you bothered to waste your skill points on that shitty skill? that dagger would mean absolutely fucking nothing by the time you got it you might as well just play a champion that does damage and get a champion kill for 300g and then keep your opponent down for the rest of the lane[/QUOTE]
if you're in a passive lane where you can safely farm 5g per creep is a big deal
in fact some people max it anyway because q only gives +5% more slow per level
[editline]18th June 2013[/editline]
max it second that is, always w first or you will lose every trade
I like to farm a lot so I max e second and it pays off.
What do I do as Ahri versus Yi mid? He basically kills me under the turret :(
15% is the same as red at level 11, rank 1 slow is ok i guess
Fuck AP Yi and all he stands for.
So god damn glad he's dead.
Also the new visuals look incredible.
Just had one of the funniest games with deathrune, YouTubing this shit holy fuck. He started slamming his table and crying over a death by ziggs, fucking hell.
I'm glad Yi is getting a visual overhaul, but please, for the love of god, update Sion and Pantheon next, they look like they're from a PS1 game
I adore they're going back and redoing older champs, they always come out feeling much more fresh and fun to play weirdly.
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