[QUOTE=Malvodion;42006936]It's not like clicking on the ground now and then is That hard.
Hell, even I can do it and I have a pityful hand-eye coordination and play with 200+ ping.
Attack, pick axe, press s, repeat.[/QUOTE]
Knowing how a champion works doesn't make him easy
Are you just a god a coordination or have you never played Draven in a teamfight/aggressively? Focusing on picking up axes at the same time as you are kiting and dodging skillshots isn't "easy" for most people. What might be easy is harassing in lane since it's hard for the enemy adc to trade back against his Q dmg.
[QUOTE=Malvodion;42006936]It's not like clicking on the ground now and then is That hard.
Hell, even I can do it and I have a pityful hand-eye coordination and play with 200+ ping.
Attack, pick axe, press s, repeat.[/QUOTE]
catching axes in lane is relatively easy, but even then you need to be able to judge if it's safe (like if it bounces further out than you're willing to go)
on the other hand, maximizing draven's damage output in a teamfight is super hard
[QUOTE=Z!NX;42004059]what is you favorite champion[/QUOTE]
lux and veigar
[QUOTE=Z!NX;42004059]and what champion do you hate the most?[/QUOTE]
wukong and fizz and probably some others im forgetting
For anyone having trouble dodging skillshots, I recommend playing ARAMs a bit just because of the chaotic nature of it and how much shit is being thrown around, if you can get used to skillshots in ARAMs, you should be golden anywhere else.
After over 200 games of the official ARAMs, I've become especially good at dodging skillshots coming from poke comps and when I'm playing 5v5 in my lane, dodging skillshots from a single champ becomes almost a joke after having been used to dodging shit from 3-5 champs in ARAMs.
[QUOTE=Heigou;42007590]For anyone having trouble dodging skillshots, I recommend playing ARAMs a bit just because of the chaotic nature of it and how much shit is being thrown around, if you can get used to skillshots in ARAMs, you should be golden anywhere else.
After over 200 games of the official ARAMs, I've become especially good at dodging skillshots coming from poke comps and when I'm playing 5v5 in my lane, dodging skillshots from a single champ becomes almost a joke after having been used to dodging shit from 3-5 champs in ARAMs.[/QUOTE]
The thing is ARAM is one big straight line so as long as you carry a lightbringer or a spectral lantern bushes will never be an issue, and skillshots will always come from upfront. In an actual situation most of the tough skillshots will come from the jungle or from behind a wall.
Which is why people who argue that Nidalee's spear isn't strong because you can just dodge it can go fuck themselves, you can't dodge a spear that appears literally a tenth of a second on your screen because it was thrown from behind a wall.
[QUOTE=Z!NX;42004059]what is you favorite champion and what champion do you hate the most?[/QUOTE]
Anivia and FIZZ. Birds are supposed to counter fucking fish.
[QUOTE=Shandian;42005599]I play riven mainly, in silver elo tho, but I prefer starting out with brutalizer, building it into ghostblade later on, sticking on the gp10 item for a while when i'm in a farm lane like malphite, building hexdrinker first if i'm against kayle or vlad or some other ranged poke champion, and then build a BT. As late game items i love getting Zephyr and boots of swiftness with the additional speed enchantment on them, gotta go fast! :dance:
[IMG]http://gyazo.com/d937a0e10e6967133e77ea002df3f49e.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Critical Strike and Attack Speed aren't great on Riven, (her passive and ability damage scaling work better with straight up damage) if you want the CC reduction just get Merc Treads.
It is way better to just go and build Bloodthirster, Black Cleaver and Last Whisper, which is honestly all the damage you need (Ravenous Hydra isn't terrible either). Then a few armor/survivability items depending on what you are facing like Randuin's Omen, Mercurial Scimitar, Guardian Angel, and Maw of Malmortius.
What is the point of getting all the speed items when Riven has so much gap closing/escape capability without them?
My LP gain is super high, at 56 lp, get 27 lp. VICTORIOUS ELISE HERE I COME.
Also should I save up for Pantheon? Every game I see him in, he wrecks because of his ulti.
Pantheon isn't strong because of his ult, but because his lane harass and kill potential. The reason his ult is useful is only because of what he can do when he arrives, not because of the damage it does, although it is pretty good damage.
i like to counter twisted fate with pantheon
works pretty well
[editline]29th August 2013[/editline]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqaOOs0I3Gc[/media]
[QUOTE=WTF Nuke;42007869]Pantheon isn't strong because of his ult, but because his lane harass and kill potential. The reason his ult is useful is only because of what he can do when he arrives, not because of the damage it does, although it is pretty good damage.[/QUOTE]
That stun and block passive is fucking boss.
Possibly one of the best stuns and passives in the entire game.
[QUOTE=Katsuie;42007397]Knowing how a champion works doesn't make him easy[/QUOTE]
I didn't say I only knew how he is, I said I've played him.
And don't pull the "he isn't hard but he isn't the easiest" card, because I never said he was.
[QUOTE=Fisk;42007489]Are you just a god a coordination or have you never played Draven in a teamfight/aggressively? Focusing on picking up axes at the same time as you are kiting and dodging skillshots isn't "easy" for most people. What might be easy is harassing in lane since it's hard for the enemy adc to trade back against his Q dmg.[/QUOTE]
Unless you are chasing someone or get zoned you shouldn't have too many problems catching them. (It's not worth wasting time catching an axe if it'll give the enemy enough time to flee.)
Didn't they make it so that they'd always drop towards the area where you are moving many patches ago?
Edit: They did.
[QUOTE=WTF Nuke;42007869]Pantheon isn't strong because of his ult, but because his lane harass and kill potential. The reason his ult is useful is only because of what he can do when he arrives, not because of the damage it does, although it is pretty good damage.[/QUOTE]
his ult has the exact same range as tf's ult and it does damage
id say thats pretty boss (except for the fact that it takes ages for him to drop)
[editline]29th August 2013[/editline]
i swear draven is the only champion ill never be able to learn
While Draven's difficulty is overblown, he's one of the hardest ad carries/has to work the hardest in a team fight due to his lack of a proper escape and the added risk of having to catch the axes he's definitely one of the hardest ad carries mechanically. I think overall the amount of skill an ad carry player needs to have comes from the role rather than the champion. This is coming from someone who mains Draven and plays mostly ad carry.
People also really overblow the difficulty of Vayne.
[QUOTE=Vengeful Falcon;42008237]
People also really overblow the difficulty of Vayne.[/QUOTE]
I thought most people here agreed on Vayne being super easy now?
[editline]29th August 2013[/editline]
Also, what to do when you're ADC and your partner, a "support main" almost literally goes AFK in your lane and doesn't ward at all.
I had a person like that last night, and yes, of course my lane lost hard.
[QUOTE=WTF Nuke;42007869]Pantheon isn't strong because of his ult, but because his lane harass and kill potential. The reason his ult is useful is only because of what he can do when he arrives, not because of the damage it does, although it is pretty good damage.[/QUOTE]
I wasnt treally thinking damage, more like certain death from above when he ults behind someone, with your teammates on the other side. No where to run
[QUOTE=Daniellynet;42008292]I thought most people here agreed on Vayne being super easy now[/QUOTE]
I'm mainly talking about the people who get a triple kill then spam "Doublelift" or some other bullshit when they kite for like 5 seconds.
[QUOTE=Vengeful Falcon;42008431]I'm mainly talking about the people who get a triple kill then spam "Doublelift" or some other bullshit when they kite for like 5 seconds.[/QUOTE]
arent most of those lines jokes
like "omg dublelift is that u"
Doubleliftua chinchilla delta
[QUOTE=Z!NX;42004059]what is you favorite champion and what champion do you hate the most?[/QUOTE]
yorick and yorick
joking aside draven, liss and ziggs are very fun and fuck blitzcrank
lasthit nexus with teammates and creeps around you
XPEKE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[QUOTE=Louis;42008776]lasthit nexus with teammates and creeps around you
XPEKE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[/QUOTE]
lee sin flash and kicks enemy into our team
INSEC XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thresh lands a hook
MADLIFE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[QUOTE=Vengeful Falcon;42008237]While Draven's difficulty is overblown, he's one of the hardest ad carries/has to work the hardest in a team fight due to his lack of a proper escape and the added risk of having to catch the axes he's definitely one of the hardest ad carries mechanically. I think overall the amount of skill an ad carry player needs to have comes from the role rather than the champion. This is coming from someone who mains Draven and plays mostly ad carry.
People also really overblow the difficulty of Vayne.[/QUOTE]
my favourite draven build is full damage (bloodthirster, IE) and then a sotd
with two Qs up you can effectively instagib whoever you target without having to catch anything
[QUOTE=Bicko Blicko;42008849]lee sin flash and kicks enemy into our team
INSEC XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thresh lands a hook
MADLIFE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[/QUOTE]
fail to smite baron and let the enemy steal it
SAINTVICIOUS XDDDDDDDDDDD
:v:
am i doing it right
[QUOTE=Bicko Blicko;42008849]
Thresh lands a hook
MADLIFE XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD[/QUOTE]
imagine playing with flashcat its horrible
is saint the only pro that has a play named after them that's something negative
think so
Welp, got demoted to silver V.
Last game had a bronze kennen mid who didn't know he got xp from creeps even if he didn't kill them, so he just ran to the creeps and tried to farm while ziggs just harassed the fuck out of him.
Between that and people calling for reports every five minutes, I'm starting to really lose motivation over winning anything in ranked. Why do I even get teamed up with bronze while being in Silver is beyond me (and why people play ranked while not even knowing the basis of xp gain is beyond me too).
[QUOTE=Louis;42008988]imagine playing with flashcat its horrible[/QUOTE]
except i am like a real madlife incarnation??
[QUOTE=ashxu;42009035]is saint the only pro that has a play named after them that's something negative[/QUOTE]
scarra-ward maybe. but then again it goes both ways, just got the name from him failing to do it
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