I dunno red pot just seems silly unless they start it as well. Because if you start with a long sword and get first blood, you can come back with more pots, a vamp scepter and a rejuv bead. Putting you well ahead.
only start red pot if you're planning to go all in at level 2/3
literally no reason to start it otherwise
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42302604]I dunno red pot just seems silly unless they start it as well. Because if you start with a long sword and get first blood, you can come back with more pots, a vamp scepter and a rejuv bead. Putting you well ahead.[/QUOTE]
Er, you're completely missing the point. Not even debatable that longsword is a better start than a red pot if it gives more Ad and hp than ls, and lets you start with more potions. LS is a shitty start against anyone that isnt braindead. How is it also dumb unless they start it, you want an allin that will result in you getting first blood or severely gimping the enemy or a trade where you can get fucked up just as bad? What reasoning is that.
Just goes to show I guess red pot is for people who know what they're doing. If you dont understand why you buy it/its good I guess you dont know how to utilize it properly.
Pro tip for everyone else, it'd be great if you could all stop saying "Wow I just found out <x> Is good, trying to learn them now" and then argue with people who at least look like they know what they're talking about, I guess in your 2 games experience you picked up more than me. My bad.
I don't think I'm good enough to be gold at the moment. If there's a reason why I've been demoted twice in a row without winning it's because I'm not good enough. I guess I need to keep practicing.
the reason why you get red pot instead of longsword is because of the "true" heal that cant be reduced by ignite
I get sword 2 sodas on ADC :(
[sp]I don't like the fact that if you lose a big trade you'll be forced out completely if you go dorans and boots aren't that important anymore[/sp]
[QUOTE=Louis;42302707]Er, you're completely missing the point. Not even debatable that longsword is a better start than a red pot if it gives more Ad and hp than ls, and lets you start with more potions. LS is a shitty start against anyone that isnt braindead. How is it also dumb unless they start it, you want an allin that will result in you getting first blood or severely gimping the enemy or a trade where you can get fucked up just as bad? What reasoning is that.
Just goes to show I guess red pot is for people who know what they're doing. If you dont understand why you buy it/its good I guess you dont know how to utilize it properly.
Pro tip for everyone else, it'd be great if you could all stop saying "Wow I just found out <x> Is good, trying to learn them now" and then argue with people who at least look like they know what they're talking about, I guess in your 2 games experience you picked up more than me. My bad.[/QUOTE]
Lol I DEFINITELY know what I'm talking about. I just think a red pot is stupid in almost every scenario. Like if you're on a smurf and you need to shut down your lane opponent so it's easier to carry the game, then maybe it's fine. But I can't imagine a scenario where it isn't wasting money or dampening your potential income.
I'd rather just save money and guarantee that I'll get my next item if it doesn't work. Because red pot isn't a guaranteed kill by any means.
It's just silly to me. If you're a gambler, it's an excellent level one item. But otherwise it's just silly. You can have whatever opinion you want but I think it's funny that you're trying to act like red pot automagically wins your lane.
I'm not saying long sword > red pot.
What I was saying is I'd rather go long sword and health potions cause win, lose or draw, I can turn that long sword into a vamp scepter or something more useful for me. If I die with a red pot, that's a lot of gold I'll never see again.
If I get first blood with a long sword, then I have all of that delicious gold to go into items.
If I get first blood with a red pot, you're subtracting the cost of the red pot as well as whatever items you buy (like that long sword you want.) and it can hurt you. Literally the only benefit is the farm/level advantage.
But I've been practicing my ability to farm while I'm behind so I'd like to think that any GOOD opponent would just be like "Welp I died level 1, time to farm safely until my jungler comes" and just like that, you're back in.
Sorry that you learned how good red pots were in two games of experience but I'd like to think my thousands of games have taught me something too :P
Yeh, Dorans is nice and all but if you get fucked you have to lifesteal like 8hp back per hit if you have quints and you just push out the lane. I'd go sword if it wasnt for the hp on dorans
[QUOTE=Flip pl;42302850]the reason why you get red pot instead of longsword is because of the "true" heal that cant be reduced by ignite[/QUOTE]
Although this is very informative. If that's something you're afraid of in a 1 v 1 then I can see this being an excellent pick up. But even then I still think it's a risky buy.
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42302881]really long post about homosexuality[/QUOTE]
Do yourself a favour and read some mobafire guides on why red pot is good, I think the style of reasoning on that site might be easier for someone like you to understand, I hear they cater towards the lower brackets of the game.
I think my years of games have taught me something also :PPP
[sp]also you p much are saying ls > red pot by describing how ls > red pot you genius[/sp]
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[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42302891]Although this is very informative. If that's something you're afraid of in a 1 v 1 then I can see this being an excellent pick up. But even then I still think it's a risky buy.[/QUOTE]
And you even type like you know what you're talking about, but you dont know about the true heal on redpot
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Again I go back to my earlier point, if you're good at the game red pot on someone like riven is almost a guaranteed fb
Enemy got 8 inhibitors, all drakes, 3 barons.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/oALxgAi.png[/IMG]
Still won.
thats what a shaco does for you
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42302881]Literally the only benefit is the farm/level advantage.
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you know that this is the exact reason people go red pot right
you do it to snowball your lane, you make it sound like having a farm/level advantage in top lane isn't worth the gamble
farm/level advantage doesnt mean anything in a 1v1 lane are you an idiot i bet you're bronze -5
[QUOTE=Louis;42302954]thats what a shaco does for you[/QUOTE]
Shaco is either:
Be godlike and 1v5 carry the whole game and win super fast
or
Fail to do great early game, and then lose the game.
Usually all Shacos I play with do both, good for like 10-20 minutes and then just fall off because lmao shaco. His core item build is so shit.
[t]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/--QByCPGyMtI/UkK4fnHyBXI/AAAAAAAAAbs/oaaWOOb_ghA/s1600/talesofvaloran033.png[/t]
[url]http://soraka.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/tales-of-valoran-33.html?showComment=1380113261056#c4427601727169751626[/url]
it's back (maybe)
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[QUOTE=Louis;42303014]Usually all Shacos I play with do both, good for like 10-20 minutes and then just fall off because lmao shaco. His core item build is so shit.[/QUOTE]
some shacos are gaylords and backdoor all day
need two dudes to sit on him cause homosexual blink stealth
the problem with longsword 2 pots is once you use those 2 pots that's it.
with dorans, esp. on an adc, you get more health back than you would with pots. You only need to autoattack 60 times to match the hp gained
but then again I also run one crit chance rune on my AD page so what do I know
60 AAs is a lot lol
As I said, the problem I have with Doran's Blade is that once you lose a big trade, you have to recall and lose minions because you're too low. Either that or get zoned and potentially die.
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;42302959]you know that this is the exact reason people go red pot right
you do it to snowball your lane, you make it sound like having a farm/level advantage in top lane isn't worth the gamble[/QUOTE]
Yeah but Louis is saying that it's good for going all in. You don't get that advantage if you end the fight at < 100 health. I dunno. I've never had trouble breaking even or winning my lane unless I was playing a champion for the first time or got super camped. If you're hell bent on getting that lead, have your jungler gank. It's that simple.
[QUOTE=Louis;42302911]Do yourself a favour and read some mobafire guides on why red pot is good, I think the style of reasoning on that site might be easier for someone like you to understand, I hear they cater towards the lower brackets of the game.
I think my years of games have taught me something also :PPP
[sp]also you p much are saying ls > red pot by describing how ls > red pot you genius[/sp]
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And you even type like you know what you're talking about, but you dont know about the true heal on redpot
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Again I go back to my earlier point, if you're good at the game red pot on someone like riven is almost a guaranteed fb[/QUOTE]
Mobafire generally writes guides about champions and not items. Sorry :/ I dunno. You can say I'm lower bracket all you want but it still makes no sense to me that you think 350 gold you'll never see again is better than building towards something that you'll have all game x)
And no I'm not. I'm not saying long sword is better than red pot. I'm saying that a generally better start is long sword and pots if you want to try and go hard. I've also got plenty of first bloods without red pot.
So you're right. Someone superior buying a red pot will get first blood.
But I'm pretty sure someone superior buying 15 wards could also get first blood.
I'd much rather put my money towards things that'll come in handy later. It's a stylistic choice. It just seems silly to put money you'll never see again into your first items :P Maybe before the price was raised red pot was infinitely worth the cost but now I just don't see it.
I'm surprised that in your years of playing you haven't realized that items generally beat out elixirs xD
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[QUOTE=papaya;42303077]the problem with longsword 2 pots is once you use those 2 pots that's it.
with dorans, esp. on an adc, you get more health back than you would with pots. You only need to autoattack 60 times to match the hp gained
but then again I also run one crit chance rune on my AD page so what do I know[/QUOTE]
I think Doran's is only a good start if you have life steal quints as well. Otherwise your opponent will easily out sustain you.
Wow you sure showed me with your Silver 5 ideology, I'm done with you lmao. You dont get anything we're telling you. You're just making irrelivent points over and over, just because you're shit enough to not be able to make a red pot work doesnt mean its bad. I guess by your logic buying hp pots and wards is shit because you never see the money back.
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If only everyone who tells me on steam about how retarded the people I'm arguing were had the balls to post it in the thread I think people like you might understand easier.
[QUOTE=HolyCrapAWalrus;42301687]it's amazing how many people just straight up overlook her passive entirely when it's a huge reason for her crazy damage output
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like holy shit at level 2/3 you're adding about 20ish damage to each basic attack with your passive, that's ridiculous when it's added on top of each q and her stun[/QUOTE]
The problem I have with that is when I try to thread the autos I just get like 1 or 2 casts of Q off and maybe 1 or 2 autos before they run/dash/flash away and yet I still end up taking about as much damage in the trade. What am I doing wrong :(
sigh
[QUOTE=MrFlashcat;42295638]Right when I thought I would see a retard-free day pass by in the LoL thread[/QUOTE]
im already afraid of what tomorrow will bring
[t]http://i.imgur.com/7Wah6.jpg[/t]
Looks comfy as fuck.
Haha no I definitely get it. It just seems silly to me. It's not that I can't make it work. It's that it just doesn't seem worth it.
The whole point of it is for first blood?
Okay so you're down 350 if someone else gets first blood.
Even if you get first blood you effectively shave off 350 gold from your reward.
So as opposed to going back and coming into lane with a finished vamp scepter, a ward and some potions, you get to wave your dick around because you got first blood and your opponent freezes the lane under turret and kicks your ass late game.
Like you can call me silver 5 all you want but it's incredibly funny that you think starting elixir is the optimal start.
You're right. If you're good, you can start 1 boot, wait at base for a few minutes, get a second boot and maybe get first blood. Because you're good.
But good or bad, you're still wasting money lmao. I forget you're challenger bud. I'm gonna start buying red elixir regardless of what role I play :P
[QUOTE=MrFlashcat;42303193]sigh
im already afraid of what tomorrow will bring[/QUOTE]
it just gets better and better doesn't it
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imagine being oblivious to your own retardation, must be true suffering not understanding whats wrong with yourself
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Ad hominem op. Except this might be a step below that haha.
Man are you the analyst for CLG or something? I'm impressed at how deep your knowledge of the game is. I should start Doran's items on every champ for cost efficiency huh?
[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303204]Haha no I definitely get it. It just seems silly to me. It's not that I can't make it work. It's that it just doesn't seem worth it.
The whole point of it is for first blood?
Okay so you're down 350 if someone else gets first blood.
Even if you get first blood you effectively shave off 350 gold from your reward.
So as opposed to going back and coming into lane with a finished vamp scepter, a ward and some potions, you get to wave your dick around because you got first blood and your opponent freezes the lane under turret and kicks your ass late game.
Like you can call me silver 5 all you want but it's incredibly funny that you think starting elixir is the optimal start.
You're right. If you're good, you can start 1 boot, wait at base for a few minutes, get a second boot and maybe get first blood. Because you're good.
But good or bad, you're still wasting money lmao. I forget you're challenger bud. I'm gonna start buying red elixir regardless of what role I play :P[/QUOTE]
holy shit
like we said a bunch of times already, you start red pot in order to snowball your lane
toplane is literally the easiest fucking lane to snowball in the whole game. if you manage to kill your opponent at level 2/3 and then push the creeps to his tower you're pretty much guaranteed to win the lane
you'll be at LEAST 2 levels higher than him if you get back to lane at the same time and you will also most likely have the same items as him along with your red pot still going
that's literally all there is to it, if you honestly think that long sword is the better start just because you can rush some item which gives you 10% lifesteal then you literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about
oh and don't forget that red pot allows you to start with more hp pots than people who go long sword/dorans blade
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and no i'm not saying that red pot is the optimal build either, i'm just trying to get you to understand why it's probably the best starting item if you want to easily snowball
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;42303239]holy shit
like we said a bunch of times already, you start red pot in order to snowball your lane
toplane is literally the easiest fucking lane to snowball in the whole game. if you manage to kill your opponent at level 2/3 and then push the creeps to his tower you're pretty much guaranteed to win the lane
you'll be at LEAST 2 levels higher than him if you get back to lane at the same time and you will also most likely have the same items as him along with your red pot still going
that's literally all there is to it, if you honestly think that long sword is the better start just because you can rush some item which gives you 10% lifesteal then you literally have no fucking clue what you're talking about
oh and don't forget that red pot allows you to start with more hp pots than people who go long sword/dorans blade[/QUOTE]
Also just to make it clear rapperkid redpot gives you the stats to firstblood the enemy while buying longsword and 2 pots or similar would not allow you to do this.
If you have red pot you get a kill and then you get money and xp and he doesn't because he's dead so it's good and it's harder to kill someone without a red pot so red pot is better for the killings
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