League of Legends v33 - Games

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303221]Ad hominem op. Except this might be a step below that haha. Man are you the analyst for CLG or something? I'm impressed at how deep your knowledge of the game is. I should start Doran's items on every champ for cost efficiency huh?[/QUOTE] If you want, Dorans shield can be great for top, mid or support. Blade for ADC and Jungle and then the Ring can be for Mid if you prefer it. You can thank me later. I picked up my game knowledge being forced to play against Diamond 1s every game, every now and then some challenger dudes too. I'm pretty amazing at this game no lie. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Oh, looks like people have joined in too, what you gonna personally attack me more? Man thats not very friendly is it. Best to stop dontcha think :)?

Yes, I realize you said that. Then I argued that that's a HUGE gamble. For several reasons. 1. You run the risk of getting just as low as your opponent. Which means the enemy jungler, who may already be on his way up, can come kill you anyways. 2. You can die as well. I realize that the whole point of this start is for that to be extremely unlikely but you never know. 3. Your opponent knows how to play while they're behind. Which effectively makes first blood someone meaningless. Sure you got a kill and they're behind you, but they're not behind as a whole. 4. Your potential reward is now shaven because you bought an item solely to get that reward. I wish bad reading was still in. If you could ONLY start with one item, long sword or red elixir and absolutely zero health potions, the elixir would be a thousand times better. First blood, in my experience, often results in your lane getting camped for exactly the reason you stated. So is red pot + first blood worth potentially spending the next 10 minutes in and out of the death screen? When I play top lane, I never have a SUPER hard time getting kills and I'd even say more often than not I get first blood or at least the first kill in my lane. I'm just saying you wind up farther ahead if you get a first blood with items that don't disappear forever after they're used up. I'm not saying you guys are wrong in liking elixir. To each their own. I used to start doran's RING on Draven lol. And I only did that because 95% of the time I did it I won lane. That was earlier in my leaguing but still. If you have a 100% win rate buying elixirs, keep doing it. In my experience, I haven't noticed a difference in whether I get one or not other than the fact that I can potentially wind up farther behind than usual if it doesn't work out. I don't see what's so hard to understand :v:

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303294]I don't see what's so hard to understand :v:[/QUOTE] We dont either dude, we really dont.

[QUOTE=Louis;42303278]If you want, Dorans shield can be great for top, mid or support. Blade for ADC and Jungle and then the Ring can be for Mid if you prefer it. You can thank me later. I picked up my game knowledge being forced to play against Diamond 1s every game, every now and then some challenger dudes too. I'm pretty amazing at this game no lie. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Oh, looks like people have joined in too, what you gonna personally attack me more? Man thats not very friendly is it. Best to stop dontcha think :)?[/QUOTE] I haven't personally attacked you once lol. You're the one trying to claim I'm retarded :v: Also you missed the point. Doran's items can be bought on anyone, but it's not optimal. Same goes for red elixir. It's a good start but it's not optimal. Once you reach a certain level of play, it doesn't matter whether or not you get first blood as long as the enemy team isn't brain dead. If I give up first blood I ask for help from my jungler, freeze my lane and play safely. Then, my now cocky enemy, proceeds to die to me 3 times and fails to realize that his lead is long gone. All you've really taught me is that red pot is good if you're either afraid of someone on your own team giving up first blood or you're smurfing and just want to pub stomp.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303310]I haven't personally attacked you once lol. You're the one trying to claim I'm retarded :v: Also you missed the point. Doran's items can be bought on anyone, but it's not optimal. Same goes for red elixir. It's a good start but it's not optimal. Once you reach a certain level of play, it doesn't matter whether or not you get first blood as long as the enemy team isn't brain dead. If I give up first blood I ask for help from my jungler, freeze my lane and play safely. Then, my now cocky enemy, proceeds to die to me 3 times and fails to realize that his lead is long gone. All you've really taught me is that red pot is good if you're either afraid of someone on your own team giving up first blood or you're smurfing and just want to pub stomp.[/QUOTE] You tunnel vision your arguments to the point where they make little sense

[QUOTE=Rct33;42303333]You tunnel vision your arguments to the point where they make little sense[/QUOTE] Maybe. But I guess that's because I've made it a habit to view the game as a whole. When the 1 v 1 map comes out, and first blood is a win condition, I'll probably buy red elixir's like it's noone's business. I just feel like in terms of going from starting the game to killing the enemy team's nexus, starting red elixir is just going to hurt that goal. It comes down to personal preference. I'm not saying any of you are wrong for buying elixirs as a starting item. It just makes very little sense to me when there's tons of better starting options. That's all I'm saying. Then Louis felt like I was personally attacking his honor or something when I disagreed with him :P

Once you reach a certain level of play, when someone gets first blood and you ask for help from your jungler, he doesn't get cocky and the jungler wastes time helping top recover while their jungler does things that help his team more

Hmm really? That's funny cause I try to keep track of what my opponent buys. If they don't buy a ward, and they're in the middle of the lane, the jungler definitely isn't wasting time when he goes to that lane. But then again, once you reach a certain level of play, you stop seeing people start with elixirs haha.

You're Silver 5, you're at low level play. Diamonds do start with elixirs, I queue with them daily. My sides are exploding at how passive aggressive you are.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303402] But then again, once you reach a certain level of play, you stop seeing people start with elixirs haha.[/QUOTE] i literally can't tell if you're serious

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[QUOTE=Louis;42303416]You're Silver 5, you're at low level play. Diamonds do start with elixirs, I queue with them daily. My sides are exploding at how passive aggressive you are.[/QUOTE] I queue with diamonds almost daily and I never see it :v: I watch a fair amount of streams and the only player I see start with elixirs is Trick2g when he's laning Udyr. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJo4NDIINxM[/media] If you get level 2, first blood, a second kill AND stop the enemy from invading for the price of one red elixir, it's totally worth it. 100%. But I'd say that from all of the games I've played in, with diamonds or and non diamonds, it's more than likely a liability. Like I'm sorry I don't agree with you that I should start red elixir 100% of the time but that's just not me homie. I have yet to be persuaded :P

[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;42303419]i literally can't tell if you're serious[/QUOTE] But hes right when you go under bronze you can see all the cool things

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303447]I queue with diamonds almost daily and I never see it :v: I watch a fair amount of streams and the only player I see start with elixirs is Trick2g when he's laning Udyr. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJo4NDIINxM[/media] If you get level 2, first blood, a second kill AND stop the enemy from invading for the price of one red elixir, it's totally worth it. 100%. But I'd say that from all of the games I've played in, with diamonds or and non diamonds, it's more than likely a liability. Like I'm sorry I don't agree with you that I should start red elixir 100% of the time but that's just not me homie. I have yet to be persuaded :P[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.twitch.tv/bestrivenna[/url] go watch this, come back when you know how to play ty [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Can you throw a few names of the diamond players you play with? I'd really like to see how good you are

[QUOTE=Louis;42303464][url]http://www.twitch.tv/bestrivenna[/url] go watch this, come back when you know how to play ty[/QUOTE] LOL. It's funny. I've actually been watching his stream a lot lately cause I had hoped I'd learn a fair amount about Riven from him. In the past week or so, I'd say I've watched him lose more games than he's won. You're right though. You proved my point. When he starts red elixir, he just continues to feed the rest of the match. [b]Edit:[/b] A few pages back I posted a picture of me queuing with some friends and we played against Only Jaximus. I dunno if that's diamond enough for you. I was a support that game but I've played every position with them at different times. So go ahead :3

huh, I'm still getting 21+lp pr game in Silver 1. GOOOOOOLLDDD HERE I CCCCCCCCOMEEE

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303478]LOL. It's funny. I've actually been watching his stream a lot lately cause I had hoped I'd learn a fair amount about Riven from him. In the past week or so, I'd say I've watched him lose more games than he's won. You're right though. You proved my point. When he starts red elixir, he just continues to feed the rest of the match. [b]Edit:[/b] A few pages back I posted a picture of me queuing with some friends and we played against Only Jaximus. I dunno if that's diamond enough for you. I was a support that game but I've played every position with them at different times. So go ahead :3[/QUOTE] [img]http://puu.sh/3Mo8F[/img] look him up i raped him midlane [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Zar;42303492]huh, I'm still getting 21+lp pr game in Silver 1. GOOOOOOLLDDD HERE I CCCCCCCCOMEEE[/QUOTE] proud of you son

[QUOTE=Louis;42303495][img]http://puu.sh/3Mo8F[/img] look him up i raped him midlane[/QUOTE] I don't see your name in that picture :S But you probably beat him cause you got a red elixir and he didn't. Good job buddy!

If you really are this upset, come have a go in a PM, you already ruined 2 page of posting your opinion that nobody agrees with. Nobody else wants to see more of it.

[QUOTE=rapperkid04;42303505]I don't see your name in that picture :S But you probably beat him cause you got a red elixir and he didn't. Good job buddy![/QUOTE] ye ur totally right get elixir = win huehueueheuheuehueheueheu no. [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Louis;42303495] [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] proud of you son[/QUOTE] ty i do dis for u

[QUOTE=Zar;42303528]ye ur totally right get elixir = win[/QUOTE] It literally seems like that's what post people are saying. When, in my experience, playing behind properly has resulted in me winning lane and winning games. If you're against an idiot, elixir might = win. But I don't agree with everyone here. I'm not upset at all Louis :v: I just think it's funny that you fail to see how you're losing 350 gold on a gamble. I don't care if noone agrees with me. I'm just saying it doesn't make sense logically. Like in 1 v 1s where first blood wins I'm all aboard the elixir train. But I think in terms of winning games, there are a lot of better options.

oh my fucking god

Dont stare you'll set it off again

You go elixir to kill them early, which leads to a 1-2 level advantage. Level advantage is king in any lane, more so toplane. If you lose out, you're fucked but if you know what you are doing you will come out ahead [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Where does this not compute for you?

Just please, dont bother. You all saw what its gonna lead to if you keep talking about it.

red pots are serious business

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[QUOTE=Bloodsh0t;42303587]You go elixir to kill them early, which leads to a 1-2 level advantage. Level advantage is king in any lane, more so toplane. If you lose out, you're fucked but if you know what you are doing you will come out ahead [editline]25th September 2013[/editline] Where does this not compute for you?[/QUOTE] It does compute for me. Except I don't think 1 - 2 level advantage = winning the game. I'm not saying I'm right and any of you are wrong. [b]In both my opinion and my experience,[/b] buying a red elixir early on results in 350 gold you will never see again. Ever. So you get that first blood. Sweet. You get a level lead. Awesome. You kill the jungler, get double buff, win your lane and kill your lane opponent two more times for fun. Incredible. But now the fed enemy bot lane proceeds to kill you every team fight and first blood/red elixir doesn't matter one bit. But hey, start with literally any other starting combination and it's a different story. Lets say you want to sustain. So you go bead, 5 pots, 1 ward. You should still have like 50 gold left over. You run to lane and play it safe. Either poking the enemy or just safely farming. What's this? HERE COMES THE JUNGLER! Good thing you had a ward so you chill out. Now you go back to farming, all in your opponent and get first blood. Knowing the enemy jungler isn't there and isn't coming. You are now farther ahead than you would've been if you started with a red elixir. Now you go back to base, turn that bead into a tiamat, proceed to be a farming machine and snowball out of control. So the enemy adc got fed? Fine. Split push until you have two or three people in your lane while your team wins 4 v 3s or 4 v 2s and pushes on their own. I'm still not saying elixir is a bad item. I'm not saying it's the worst. But the reasons you guys are talking it up make it sound like a huge gamble. But I dunno. Maybe it's my fault for trying to apply logic to League. I should start playing with the mind set that I should play solely for getting first blood.

can you guys just drop this already jesus christ red pot is worth it if you plan on going aggressive lv2 or 3, end of the story move on now ty

Lol, it's like you don't possess logic, last comment I will make about your 'argument'