[QUOTE=Louis;42429017]I forgive you but please dont insult my future wife ok[/QUOTE]
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In all honesty, at this point I think it's kinda hard to make an "original" ADC.
It's a pretty basic role, and should stay that way.
[QUOTE=ashxu;42429046]i thought u were gey
ur a fraud[/QUOTE]
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~League of Legends on topic posting early in the morning~
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[QUOTE=booster;42429080]In all honesty, at this point I think it's kinda hard to make an "original" ADC.
It's a pretty basic role, and should stay that way.[/QUOTE]
Everyone has a simplistic enough playstyle, not too dumbed down but not as complex as people like Lee Sin or something, which is great because if you throw someone into the mix who has over the top abilities and can do all sorts of sick plays botlane they will totally outclass all ADCs. Riot did a good job of having almost every adc being playable versus newer ones, unlike midlaners who are totally outclassed by newer mids.
Well to be fair, mid lane's a different case because the meta has shifted in a way that leaves the older mid lane champs in a an unfavourable place.
You could argue that it's because of the design of the newer champs that the meta has shifted, but I don't necessarily buy that, plus there are still some old champs that work well mid - Kassadin and Kayle are still very viable.
I dont get your point, it really only agrees with mine. Meta changes dont suddenly excuse the fact that older midlaners get outclassed, thats just a point that proves it?
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Not sure how it shifted tho, the only thing I can figure out in the last year is that people are putting AD assasins midlane more often, but ADC mid was a thing many moons ago against all the older mids anyway so it just kinda cycled and changed a little.
Also Quinn is much better in 1v1
edit: my internet fucked up so this was only posted now it was relevant when i wrote it
No, what I'm saying is the type of champs that are played mid has changed from what was typically played mid before. I'm saying the new champs don't "outclass" the older ones, because they're different types of champions.
We've moved from casters to assassins, you could argue because the assassins are more versatile and are therefore (arguably) more well designed, but I'd argue it's because assassins are a good counter to casters.
Honestly, all they need to do is bring out some more strong utility casters like Orianna and Lissandra which can handle and maybe even shut down the assassins and the meta will begin to shift away from assassins and maybe back to casters.
[QUOTE=NotAName;42429251]Also Quinn is much better in 1v1
edit: my internet fucked up so this was only posted now it was relevant when i wrote it[/QUOTE]
Quinn is 1v1 the champion so yeah no doubt
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[QUOTE=The Stills;42429259]No, what I'm saying is the type of champs that are played mid has changed from what was typically played mid before. I'm saying is the new champs don't "outclass" the older ones, because they're different types of champions.
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This is still excusing the older champions just because newer ones are in a different class
If Assassins > Casters then the casters of old times (majority old midlaners) lose against new assassins (majority new midlaners) then Old > New
Just like the different classes of supports outclass each other, since Thresh is in the class of bullshit kit he beats the shitty passive soraka supports and the aggressive sona supports, different types of champions can still compete.'
Zed v Heim, Zed outclasses him because Heim cannot get away from his kit without a flash and Zed can easily escape turret slows and stun from E. Maybe outclass isnt the word that you want me to use and the example is shit, but they beat each other which is my point.
Did you just say Jinx is generic? Isnt every adc generic then? Most adc kits are poke or mobility..
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And its their job.
You missed his post where it was a joke because we are on Facepunch and usually Facepunch hates everything and nobody posted anything about hating Jinx :wink:
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You missed my post also saying the same thing :smile:
i havent tried out jinx on the pbe but I'm hoping she's fun
never will be as fun as draven tho
Oh she is tho
Very very fun and her W deals like 5 draven axe damages
Some guy went into the lobby, posted his stream.
Mh, k?
Someone dodged.
We're now playing against him, and we have him on stream.
LOL FREE GHOSTING.
[QUOTE=Louis;42429400]Oh she is tho
Very very fun and her W deals like 5 draven axe damages[/QUOTE]
5 draven axe damages are you kidding me for real right now
is this the female draven ive dreamed of with sick damage and crazy background
I don't find Draven all that fun to be honest.
His axes are kind of counter-intuitive and tedious to deal with really and once you get the litllest bit of AS I really can't be bothered to keep up with them.
But I think playing Sona is fun so what do I know. :downs:
oh hey Jinx's Q gives true sight
finally a way to deal with those annoying vaynes
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[QUOTE=The Stills;42429439]I don't find Draven all that fun to be honest.
His axes are kind of counter-intuitive and tedious to deal with really and once you get the litllest bit of AS I really can't be bothered to keep up with them.
But I think playing Sona is fun so what do I know. :downs:[/QUOTE]
I like sona too but that's because it's so much power with so little effort
After a few games of playing him you eventually just catch axes in lane out of habit. It gets really annoying later on but in lane if you can keep two axes up and bouncing off the enemy marksman you really shouldn't lose
draven's fun because shitting on people early game is fun
[QUOTE=papaya;42429442]oh hey Jinx's Q gives true sight
finally a way to deal with those annoying vaynes[/QUOTE]
Er? Q?
W does but its a skillshot so gl vs a vayne if shes already invis
oh yeah her W is the skillshot woops
i'm used to the heavy hitting damage spell being Q
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it applies true sight for 2 seconds so if you hit it just as she uses her ult it might work since it only stealths her for one
jinx level 5 w has 210 base and 1.4 total ad scaling
so with 200 ad you can deal 490 damage ever 6 seconds
if it hits, of course.
but I haven't played or seen jinx in action so it could actually be really easy to hit
the projectile is pretty damn fast so i don't think it will be that hard to hit
me and lewis tried her on pbe but we both had like 200 ping so i dunno yet for sure
It has a cast time and telegraphs where it's going so it'll probably be easier to juke than you would think.
Its go a huge range and the projectile is fast as fuck
me and ninny both played her in like a 40 minute 1v1 and some shitty aram match so we're pros atm
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[QUOTE=The Stills;42429556]It has a cast time and telegraphs where it's going so it'll probably be easier to juke than you would think.[/QUOTE]
You can shoot from out of sight if you really wanted to and its not as easy as just walking away from the line on the ground as we all know with Luxs ult and people walking in a straight line to avoid it
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I think the hitbox on it is a bit broken too, the line indication of where it should hit is REALLY thin and it hits targets that it shouldnt imo
[QUOTE=Louis;42429293]Quinn is 1v1 the champion so yeah no doubt
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This is still excusing the older champions just because newer ones are in a different class
If Assassins > Casters then the casters of old times (majority old midlaners) lose against new assassins (majority new midlaners) then Old > New
Just like the different classes of supports outclass each other, since Thresh is in the class of bullshit kit he beats the shitty passive soraka supports and the aggressive sona supports, different types of champions can still compete.'
Zed v Heim, Zed outclasses him because Heim cannot get away from his kit without a flash and Zed can easily escape turret slows and stun from E. Maybe outclass isnt the word that you want me to use and the example is shit, but they beat each other which is my point.[/QUOTE]
im sorry but the only hard counter for zed is kayle which is one of the oldest champions, orianna is one of the few champions that cope well with assassins and she was released 2 years ago, kassadin is one of the most feared champions in the game and hes a beta hero, ryze remained a top pick until his last changes and gragas recently made a comeback ever since the worlds
and you list heimerdinger who is arguably the worst champion in the game atm
Just an example because I dont really feel like debating while looking up super duper cool facts to back up my points via lolwiki because im doing something else atm, if you want me to go through and list every old champion and who they lose against I can later
[QUOTE=Flip pl;42429596]
and you list heimerdinger who is arguably the worst champion in the game atm[/QUOTE]
UM
Kayle is the hard counter for everyone by the logic that she makes someone invuln for a few seconds
Also Heim isnt nearly the worst champ in the game
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Why isnt she just picked in every pro game? I mean she makes a lot of damage into no damage with her ult and damage is a pretty good thing to negate
When someone picks Zed I request that my team picks 5 Kayles to make him useless because I cannot buy armor and Zhonyas which are also counters while not wasting a slot on Kayle
who else can mitigate 90% of zed's burst and then rape his ass with kayle's high dps
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maybe rammus or fiddle but that would require high reflex
imagine buying armor vs zed
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