[QUOTE=joost1120;42544372]The entire point of Cho Gath is that he can kill everyone and have a lot of HP without having to stack HP items.
Getting only HP on him seems like a terrible mistake.
You end up having about 3k hp anyway if you're fully stacked, so HP isn't an issue. The real issue is whether you can instagib their ADC and then move on to everyone other champion on the enemy team. And to do that, you need AP. A lot.[/QUOTE]
as a zed player i usually just go for straight AP and movespeed, because I have scaling AD/Health/MR/Armor/AttackSpeed so I dont need to invest in those stats
(ur logic)
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[IMG]http://puu.sh/4RKft.jpg[/IMG]
my zed build (excuse the first 5 items it was an easy game so i went troll ad)
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544372]The entire point of Cho Gath is that he can kill everyone and have a lot of HP without having to stack HP items.
Getting only HP on him seems like a terrible mistake.
You end up having about 3k hp anyway if you're fully stacked, so HP isn't an issue. The real issue is whether you can instagib their ADC and then move on to everyone other champion on the enemy team. And to do that, you need AP. A lot.
Doesn't mean you should just stack AP though. Getting some MR and armour is a lot cheaper and a whole lot better on Cho, thanks to his large base HP.[/QUOTE]
yeah I also enjoy not giving the carries any kills
well theres the two cases, the "i already have this so no point in getting more of it" (aka dont get chalice on veigar) and the "i already have this so lemme get even more of it because op" (aka get hp on cho for ultimate neverdie potential) so i can sorta see where he's coming from, its just not true for chogath
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;42544406]What's your build then on Cho'gath.[/QUOTE]
It's been a while since I played him, but it mostly depends on who you're up against. I only ever play him on 3v3 because he's just downright OP there.
Sorcerers boots, Rabadons, Abyssal Scepter, Zhonya's Hourglass, void staff and whatever you need to counter the enemy.
That gives you pretty much everything you need to perform your role without ever dying.
Just had the strangest experience, no one said anything the entire game. No pings, no words, only League.
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544472]It's been a while since I played him, but it mostly depends on who you're up against. I only ever play him on 3v3 because he's just downright OP there.
Sorcerers boots, Rabadons, Abyssal Scepter, Zhonya's Hourglass, void staff and whatever you need to counter the enemy.
That gives you pretty much everything you need to perform your role without ever dying.[/QUOTE]
i wouldn't use that build in 5v5 tho
in 3v3 it's much easier to snowball the game so stacking ap would actually work
zhonyas would be pretty bad on cho imo, just get separate armor and ap items, you're not a squishy caster and you wont benefit too much from the active
[QUOTE=Louis;42544416]as a zed player i usually just go for straight AP and movespeed, because I have scaling AD/Health/MR/Armor/AttackSpeed so I dont need to invest in those stats
(ur logic)
[editline]16th October 2013[/editline]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/4RKft.jpg[/IMG]
my zed build (excuse the first 5 items it was an easy game so i went troll ad)[/QUOTE]
How is it weird not to build HP on someone with a huge base pool and massive damage on AoE spells? His Q scaling 1:1 with AP, has a 1 second stun and slows for 60% for 3 seconds. If you can land the rupture on the enemy ADC, the teamfight's pretty much over.
But your comment really makes no sense. Zed doesn't scale off AP at all. Cho scales 1:1 on AP on his Q, 1:0.7 on his W and R and 1:0.3 on his E. Cho Gath is an incredibly strong APC with natural sustain and survivability.
You buy HP so you won't be squishy. But Cho Gath isn't squishy at all unless you completely fuck up and have no stacks at all.
most people don't build cho to kill people in 5v5 tho
sure you can go as ap carry if you want but it's usually just 1 ap item (usually RoA) and then just full tank after that
just max out your cdr and let your team get the kills, especially if you jungle him
[QUOTE=Nintendo-Guy;42544628]most people don't build cho to kill people in 5v5 tho
sure you can go as ap carry if you want but it's usually just 1 ap item (usually RoA) and then just full tank after that
just max out your cdr and let your team get the kills, especially if you jungle him[/QUOTE]
The same goes for any champion though. You could go Riven and only get armour and HP and just give everyone kills rather than snowballing on your own.
if they start getting away, just eat them tho'
ya that's why i prefer tank cait to any other build
im nice guy
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544649]The same goes for any champion though. You could go Riven and only get armour and HP and just give everyone kills rather than snowballing on your own.[/QUOTE]
no
stop
its also pretty hard to get kills as cho without your ult
Q is almost always used as initiation or to stunlock someone due to the shitty cast time, its far from reliable no matter how good you are
you're almost always gonna save your w against people who need to be silenced (assassins or casters), and your E has nice damage but its nothing extremely good
most of the time you want to use your ult just to deal more damage on someone who's committed to the fight/get someone to retreat, not to secure a kill on the guy your adc was attacking
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544649]The same goes for any champion though. You could go Riven and only get armour and HP and just give everyone kills rather than snowballing on your own.[/QUOTE]
Riven > Cho in terms of snowballing and possibly the best example of a snowballer, while Cho isnt. You dont really understand the game if you think "the same goes for any champion"
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544649]The same goes for any champion though. You could go Riven and only get armour and HP and just give everyone kills rather than snowballing on your own.[/QUOTE]
riven is different, she's MADE for getting kills while cho really shines using his kit to help his team in fights
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aka if you save your skills as cho to secure kills instead of disrupting the enemy team you're doing it wrong
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544595]How is it weird not to build HP on someone with a huge base pool and massive damage on AoE spells? His Q scaling 1:1 with AP, has a 1 second stun and slows for 60% for 3 seconds. If you can land the rupture on the enemy ADC, the teamfight's pretty much over.
But your comment really makes no sense. Zed doesn't scale off AP at all. Cho scales 1:1 on AP on his Q, 1:0.7 on his W and R and 1:0.3 on his E. Cho Gath is an incredibly strong APC with natural sustain and survivability.
You buy HP so you won't be squishy. But Cho Gath isn't squishy at all unless you completely fuck up and have no stacks at all.[/QUOTE]
My comment was a joke at your bad logic of "scaling stats = dont invest in them" and almost nobody has scaling AP.
I love it when people take literally EVERYTHING seriously, at least im not like some people in this thread and say "i used an emote its not serious" if you actually take comments that are laid out like this;
"lol i sucked a bunch of dicks (get it im gay)"
"haha yeah i buy ap on zed (ignore my ad items it was a troll game...)"
seriously I envy your simplicity.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;42544695]riven is different, she's MADE for getting kills while cho really shines using his kit to help his team in fights
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aka if you save your skills as cho to secure kills instead of disrupting the enemy team you're doing it wrong[/QUOTE]
The entire point of Cho is using his abilities to disrupt the enemy team, but more often than not you end up hitting the enemy ADC anyway, so popping that W and ult on him finishes a teamfight with an easy ace.
emotes help me understand
sry
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[QUOTE=Louis;42544713]My comment was a joke at your bad logic of "scaling stats = dont invest in them" and almost nobody has scaling AP.
I love it when people take literally EVERYTHING seriously, at least im not like some people in this thread and say "i used an emote its not serious" if you actually take comments that are laid out like this;
"lol i sucked a bunch of dicks (get it im gay)"
"haha yeah i buy ap on zed (ignore my ad items it was a troll game...)"
seriously I envy your simplicity.[/QUOTE]
It's just that you really are making no sense. Cho simply has an ult that gives him HP so he can simply invest in AP and still be tanky and strong.
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544749]The entire point of Cho is using his abilities to disrupt the enemy team, but more often than not you end up hitting the enemy ADC anyway, so popping that W and ult on him finishes a teamfight with an easy ace.[/QUOTE]
Can I just ask, do you play in games where people are good at positioning and teamplay? It really does amaze me when people say "kill adc = ace" because it really doesnt.
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544749]The entire point of Cho is using his abilities to disrupt the enemy team, but more often than not you end up hitting the enemy ADC anyway, so popping that W and ult on him finishes a teamfight with an easy ace.[/QUOTE]
and in the end that is most likely the only kill you'll get that fight
and if you're going straight up ap carry you'll probably end up dying rather quickly too
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544773]It's just that you really are making no sense. Cho simply has an ult that gives him HP so he can simply invest in AP and still be tanky and strong.[/QUOTE]
its not serious it doesnt have to make sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Allow me to post something everyone agreed on half a year ago:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pra0y.jpg[/IMG]
Pumpkinhead Fiddlesticks is the only Halloween skin I'm interested in that I don't already own, mainly because I like that sort of thing. Kinda want Pirate Ryze because I like pirates, but eh..
Just give me Riot Singed and I'll be happy, Riot.
If you want me to explain to you why Rod of Ages is a good item on Cho I dont think you have much hope in being a good Cho player sorry
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544787]Allow me to post something everyone agreed on half a year ago:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pra0y.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
yes we are telling you to literally just stack health
you got us
you're right about everything
[QUOTE=joost1120;42544787]Allow me to post something everyone agreed on half a year ago:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pra0y.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Who said warmogs on cho unironically?
I dont get why people insist on waltzing into this thread, saying something that nobody agrees on and trying to convert all of us
Here's at tip; some players here are good at the game or possibly even *GASP* better than you!!!!!!! You could take advice from them
[editline]16th October 2013[/editline]
That image doesnt even make much sense, a 3/5/1x Cho is doing work for the team too
At no point did I even say building a RoA was bad on Cho. It's just that you guys were constantly talking about buying only HP and CDR.
Quote the posts where people said only buy HP and CDR cause im not seeing it.
[editline]16th October 2013[/editline]
6 roa was not a serious post so that one doesnt count
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