Ah, great. The apology catalyst was never given to me.
They won't let me accept their apology.
You know what I think would be a nice apology? When the update comes out we get another free item. Even if cosmetic.
I can just farm some modules and prime parts to sell for platinum and buy a catalyst/reactor in less in a day I'm sure.
Getting a RECIPE for one isn't much of an apology in my opinion. I mean, I have to do some dull, bugged mission to get an item which allows me to start farming to get the materials for making the item.
And I didn't even get the blueprint in the first place anyway.
I know they don't technically HAVE to give us everything but after hundreds of people have prepared for this, getting their melee ranked, deciding which warframe to sell to make space for the new one and so on, it'd be nice if we got something.
Not everyone of us are happy trader folks who can get space shekels easily.
Also I'm interested if we get an event or not.
Such is the internet... even though they cme out and said "sorry, we hit some snags.. it's gonna be a while" and that would've been enough they give us free shit.
And people STILL complain.
The only time I ever even though of complaning about free shit in warframe was when I built the gorgon for mastery... then Tethras doom was announced for the wraith gorgon.
Man this is some good timing for my PS4 to arrive early. Gonna play the shit out of second son until next week.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;44432298]Such is the internet... even though they cme out and said "sorry, we hit some snags.. it's gonna be a while" and that would've been enough they give us free shit.
And people STILL complain.
The only time I ever even though of complaning about free shit in warframe was when I built the gorgon for mastery... then Tethras doom was announced for the wraith gorgon.[/QUOTE]
Except the people who got nothing.
I understand everybody is mad because we need to wait 1 week but c'mon guys, is not that easy to keep everything up without anything going wrong. Considering they gave us 7 days, i believe is mostly to see if U13 at overall is going to work properly, try to add some new features here and there and mostly fix not only broken stuff from the update but from the game in general too. If you don't get just look what we are getting on this update: new Warframe, a new system for the melee weapons, a new boss, a new level, new features to the clan and a new gamemode and probably some fixes too . Do you guys think is really that easy to update everything at once and get no problems?
Everybody has every right to complain.
Imagine that It's a week before christmas and everyone's telling you that they've got something great in store for you
They tell you this every single day.
And when you get to christmas, they tell you that they'le give it to you next week. Because they were hyping shit they weren't gonna deliver. Now they're giving you after-eight mints. Imagine that you also don't care for after eight mints because you've got enough and you're already a fat bastard. Thing is they're not even giving you all the after eight mints. They're making you wait for the after eight mints too.
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432756]Everybody has every right to complain.
Imagine that It's a week before christmas and everyone's telling you that they've got something great in store for you
They tell you this every single day.
And when you get to christmas, they tell you that they'le give it to you next week. Because they were hyping shit they weren't gonna deliver. Now they're giving you after-eight mints. Imagine that you also don't care for after eight mints because you've got enough and you're already a fat bastard. Thing is they're not even giving you all the after eight mints. They're making you wait for the after eight mints too.[/QUOTE]
It's MORE like that they got you the presents then the tree caught fire burning them all but it's OK they're super insured and you'll get them all next week and in the meantime have some chocolates.
But it's their fault for burning the fucking tree down?
How about we look at it metaphorically:
A small town in the middle of nowhere where nothing happens suddenly finds out a celebrity is about to visit the town in a week. The townsfolk become super happy about this and decide to find out all they can about this celebrity and watch/listen to/stick their hand into everything he/she has produced during this week. When the day finally comes, the celebrity suddenly gets his/her liver fucked or something and ends up having to go to the hospital. Because the celebrity didn't show up, the people in the small town in the middle of nowhere where nothing happens get angry and states he/she [I]has[/I] to show up because he/she promised to.
Should the celebrity with a fucked liver go to the small town in the middle of nowhere where nothing happens and slowly die of blood poisoning or should the townsfolk calm their tits?
[QUOTE=KayoDuck;44432725]I understand everybody is mad because we need to wait 1 week but c'mon guys, is not that easy to keep everything up without anything going wrong. Considering they gave us 7 days, i believe is mostly to see if U13 at overall is going to work properly, try to add some new features here and there and mostly fix not only broken stuff from the update but from the game in general too. If you don't get just look what we are getting on this update: new Warframe, a new system for the melee weapons, a new boss, a new level, new features to the clan and a new gamemode and probably some fixes too . Do you guys think is really that easy to update everything at once and get no problems?[/QUOTE]
Nah, but don't make a countdown if you don't have everything ready and don't try to play it off as if you were making a countdown to a countdown the entire time, they messed up and it took a while before they even admitted it, it took seconds for them to pretend like that was supposed to happen.
Besides, by definition this game is not in beta.
But if they want to call it a beta so badly, why not let the beta testers actually test things and find errors? The "beta testers" aren't beta testing anything, just actually playing the game.
If it was a beta they wouldn't mind released an update that hasn't been fully tested to try and squish every single little bug.
Right now I'm okay with a delay, but I want to know what actually caused it.
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432799]But it's their fault for burning the fucking tree down.[/QUOTE]
Even if you can code, shit's hard!
first off there's a god chnce you have to trawl though the WHOLE fukken code to find a single missing } or ;
And I would wager it's more a hardware issue in that the servers themselves are doing shit wrong... not saving things properly, CSV files getting screwed up, flat out not calling the right methods.
Shit's hard and shit happens, not everything's perfect.
You wern't there for the lanetside 2 beta and then resulting launch.
They said early 2013.... they pushed it back... and back.. and back about THREE MONTHS from their stated closed beta guesses and THEN! then..... when the time came.... it was super closed beta.... they only let in some select press members and youtubers like TotalBiscuit and... other such forgettable names.
We had to wait another half month before we saw the CLOSED BETA! Only people who wnet to E3 got a code for that! others had to grind twitter for ages hoping to get sent a key or snagging one from facebook posts...
and then after closed went to open(a week later than billed IIRC) thing seemed better.... of course actual luanch was delayed too.
basically You have NO idea how bad shit can get!
But there are tons of better ways to have done this
- Not made a teamfortress style update page and instead released the update without warning.
- Completed the update, bug checked the update to oblivion, then release the webpage.
- Increased the length of the webpage and then begin making extra items whilst everyone's waiting
- Released the working parts of the update, fixing the non working parts whilst doing so.
[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;44432843]Nah, but don't make a countdown if you don't have everything ready and don't try to play it off as if you were making a countdown to a countdown the entire time, they messed up and it took a while before they even admitted it, it took seconds for them to pretend like that was supposed to happen.
Besides, by definition this game is not in beta.
But if they want to call it a beta so badly, why not let the beta testers actually test things and find errors? The "beta testers" aren't beta testing anything, just actually playing the game.
If it was a beta they wouldn't mind released an update that hasn't been fully tested to try and squish every single little bug.[/QUOTE]
Just because it has countdown doesn't mean everything is done, without any problems.
[editline]2nd April 2014[/editline]
I keep forgetting that there is players that think games and updates are made very easy just like a Hot Pocket
[QUOTE=Fayez;44428581]How do you guys farm credits? My old method of Void farming isn't that effective anymore.[/QUOTE]
If you mean "getting 70000 creds a pop from 5min t3 runs" yeah, that's never coming back for obvious reasons.
t3 will still net you 18000 and 30000 credits which isn't bad at all.
Just run alerts online with overpowered weapons, you'll help out other people who don't have the right gear to finish, and you'll net decent credits (most of the time) for five minutes worth of work. 4-5 hours a week and you'll have an assload of credits in no time.
While I'm waiting for a model to compile or bored of texturing somethign or writing a script, I just pull up the game and see what's up.
[editline]2nd April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432902]But there are tons of better ways to have done this
- Not made a teamfortress style update page and instead released the update without warning.
- Completed the update, bug checked the update to oblivion, then release the webpage.
- Increased the length of the webpage and then begin making extra items whilst everyone's waiting
- Released the working parts of the update, fixing the non working parts whilst doing so.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't work with procedural systems at all, which warframe pretty much 100% is, except for models and some other art assets.
They take longer testing changes across systems than they do actually implementing them.
[editline]2nd April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=Skyward;44430775]No, they don't need to apologize. Just be patient and wait a week, you'll be shocked to learn it won't fucking kill you.[/QUOTE]
It's like MEMP all over again.
WHERE'S MY FUCKING BALANCE CHANGES I'M FUCKING SUING YOU MY DAD IS VETERINARIAN HE KNOWS ABOUT THESE THINGS AND YOU'RE ILLEGAL AND A TALIBAN
They should of straight up told us on the grineer systems page that they encountered some last minute problems and had to delay it a week. Having to wait for Rebecca to tell us why there's 7 day countdown on the last day after the shit storm erupted was not the right course of action.
People would still complain, but at least it would of eased the disappointment.
I don't mind waiting for something better.
Believe me when I say i'm upset and pessimistic about this situation but man, there's a bit of an overreaction here. It sucks and i'm mad but i'm down for a week if it means i'll actually get the update instead of being pushed back a month or so. Be a little bit more reasonable about your bitching, yeah? Just means it'll be that much better when we get it and it means you have time to farm for materials and slots for all the cool new shit.
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432902]But there are tons of better ways to have done this
- Not made a teamfortress style update page and instead released the update without warning.
- Completed the update, bug checked the update to oblivion, then release the webpage.
- Increased the length of the webpage and then begin making extra items whilst everyone's waiting
- Released the working parts of the update, fixing the non working parts whilst doing so.[/QUOTE]
Even with the most EXTENSIVE testing known to man bugs can still rear their head even when all seems fine, large numbers of people have a habit of breaking shit they never cold've forseen was an issue to being with.
And the odds are they don't know what specific part of this update is causing the problem and thus EVERYTHING has to be witheld until they find out what's causing it and BEFORE you sodding ask (Well they're dumb for making the system lke that) this is how real programming WORKS! it's not a nice list of easily modular lego brick EXE part's that you can add and remove easy peasy, it's a conveluted mess of duct tape, ker-plunk, mechano and crop circles. Half the challange is getting the existing code and engine just to not flip it's shit when you try to add something, let alone function as intended. And once you get it to agree with several new features and systems, whcih porbably rely on hundreds of lines of code EACH most of which may be heavily dependant on something unrelated to the final result, you can't jsut go axing them willy nilly.
They were probably SURE everything was ready before they even launched the update page, using the week to do some last moment "Just to be fucking sure" testing.. and lo and behold, they found something. Glad THEY found it before they pushed it out... this would prevent us from laying the dan game as opposed to having warframe as is for the time being.
[editline]2nd April 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432902]But there are tons of better ways to have done this
- Not made a teamfortress style update page and instead released the update without warning.
- Completed the update, bug checked the update to oblivion, then release the webpage.
- Increased the length of the webpage and then begin making extra items whilst everyone's waiting
- Released the working parts of the update, fixing the non working parts whilst doing so.[/QUOTE]
Even with the most EXTENSIVE testing known to man bugs can still rear their head even when all seems fine, large numbers of people have a habit of breaking shit they never cold've forseen was an issue to being with.
And the odds are they don't know what specific part of this update is causing the problem and thus EVERYTHING has to be witheld until they find out what's causing it and BEFORE you sodding ask (Well they're dumb for making the system lke that) this is how real programming WORKS! it's not a nice list of easily modular lego brick EXE part's that you can add and remove easy peasy, it's a conveluted mess of duct tape, ker-plunk, mechano and crop circles. Half the challange is getting the existing code and engine just to not flip it's shit when you try to add something, let alone function as intended. And once you get it to agree with several new features and systems, whcih porbably rely on hundreds of lines of code EACH most of which may be heavily dependant on something unrelated to the final result, you can't jsut go axing them willy nilly.
They were probably SURE everything was ready before they even launched the update page, using the week to do some last moment "Just to be fucking sure" testing.. and lo and behold, they found something. Glad THEY found it before they pushed it out... this would prevent us from playing the damn game as opposed to having warframe as is for the time being.
[QUOTE=Sharp_Shooter;44433128]They should of straight up told us on the grineer systems page that they encountered some last minute problems and had to delay it a week. Having to wait for Rebecca to tell us why there's 7 day countdown on the last day after the shit storm erupted was not the right course of action.
People would still complain, but at least it would of eased the disappointment.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but they've done this before, Scott and Steve and other coders have pulled all-nighters to try to meet deadlines, it probably took someone going "lol, nope; don't do it piecemeal and pull the whole build for total review and refactor" for them to get to a realistic spot.
[QUOTE=The Jack;44432902]But there are tons of better ways to have done this
- Not made a teamfortress style update page and instead released the update without warning.
- Completed the update, bug checked the update to oblivion, then release the webpage.
- Increased the length of the webpage and then begin making extra items whilst everyone's waiting
- Released the working parts of the update, fixing the non working parts whilst doing so.[/QUOTE]
It was an error nobody could foresee and we should stop complaining about it, since the error has already been made and there is no way of changing it unless you can somehow wipe the memory of the entire warframe community.
Can we discuss something different now? Like how important koi are to us or how we expect kubrows to work?
[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;44433347]It was an error nobody could foresee and we should stop complaining about it, since the error has already been made and there is no way of changing it unless you can somehow wipe the memory of the entire warframe community.
Can we discuss something different now? Like how important koi are to us or how we expect kubrows to work?[/QUOTE]
I just want to be Jetstream Sam. That's all.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;44433312]Even with the most EXTENSIVE testing known to man bugs can still rear their head even when all seems fine, large numbers of people have a habit of breaking shit they never cold've forseen was an issue to being with.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me of an [url=https://twitter.com/irqed/status/358212928404586498]old twitter post[/url].
[QUOTE=TyHap;44433359]I just want to be Jetstream Sam. That's all.[/QUOTE]
It's hard to be with the new Excalibur skin considering parts of it are permanently blackened out. :(
[QUOTE=TyHap;44433359]I just want to be Jetstream Sam. That's all.[/QUOTE]
All in due time, the update is right round the corner... and for once we can see said corner.
[QUOTE=thisguy123;44433412]All in due time, the update is right round the corner... and for once we can see said corner.[/QUOTE]
It's a very clear and defined corner, so I guess I have time to get rank 14 or maybe even 15 now.
Finally come back from work hyped as shit for the update to find that "Lel heres another countdown". I know that bug testing is hard as hell, but don't make a countdown for release if you are still working in that shit.
[QUOTE=Garbor 0.1;44433484]Finally come back from work hyped as shit for the update to find that "Lel heres another countdown". I know that bug testing is hard as hell, but don't make a countdown for release if you are still working in that shit.[/QUOTE]
They wanted to release it today but something went horribly wrong.
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