[QUOTE=d00msdaydan;44476898]PSA: You can't get knocked down or stunned while dodgerolling[/QUOTE]
you're also significantly less likely to get hit by hitscan stuff while dodge rolling.
[QUOTE=krail9;44476660]
ash does it better[/QUOTE]
Decided to work this out rather than just INTERNET FIGHT
[B]Assumption:[/B]
We are trying to see which frame is better at staying invisible.
[B]Power abilities:[/B]
Loki simply goes invisible for 12 seconds. Ash also stuns everyone within range for a moment, but only stays invisible for 8 seconds. Both gain stealth damage multipliers. Loki has a very brief cast delay between bouts of invisibility.
[B]Power cost:[/B]
Invisibility costs 50 points of energy, Smoke Screen costs 35. This does make Smoke Screen [I]marginally[/I] less efficient than Invisibility; at max rank, you pay 70% of the energy cost for 66% of the duration. This is pretty irrelevant though.
[B]Frame stats:[/B]
Loki has 225 power and a - aura slot suitable for an energy siphon. Ash has 150 power and a V aura slot (which can still take an energy siphon, albeit with a lesser mod energy boost), but with the benefit of being far less fragile. Loki can acquire a helmet that increases power efficiency even further with no loss to power duration (as would be the case with Fleeting Expertise). Ash can gain a helmet that increases energy, but will still have a smaller pool than an unmodded Loki. Narrow Minded seems to hamper both of them equally (most of Ash's powers have a range, it completely fucks up Radial Disarm, and neither of them can teleport as far).
[B]Conclusions:[/B]
Looking at invisibility powers alone, Ash comes out ahead; Loki's has longer duration, but lacks the stun and is only barely more energy efficient. However, for the purpose of staying invisible for the entire mission, Loki wins out; he can reach a higher level of power efficiency without losing duration, and has a larger energy pool to draw from as a buffer when orbs are scarce.
[QUOTE=Askaris;44477012]However, for the purpose of staying invisible for the entire mission, Loki wins out; he can reach a higher level of power efficiency without losing duration, and has a larger energy pool to draw from as a buffer when orbs are scarce.[/QUOTE]
uh, what? ash wins literally every aspect of your analysis, why did you flip to that conclusion?
believe it or not I did the same analysis and wasn't just spewing bullshit
loki's efficiency advantage is insanely miniscule, like 0.1 energy per second better
it's true that loki has about 50% more energy pool, but I'd argue that the pool is really not much of an advantage, especially when it comes to, as you say, 'staying invisible the entire mission', since without orbs or energy siphon, both frames' energy runs dry extremely quickly
add the fact that ash's smokescreen stuns, has less of a cast delay/animation, and ash comes with twice as much hp and higher shield for unavoidable damage, I think he is the better choice
the polarity of the aura is a good point though, ash has terrible polarities all-round
Ash has zip utility though which I think he is taking into account.
Yes both frames have invisibility and smokescreen is a tad bit better than invisibility if you push it, but outside of stealth these two frames shouldn't be compared at all because they do completely different things. Ash is a passive tank and Loki is pure utility. If you do not use the frames in those aspects you really miss out on most of the frame's potential.
Is there a way to earn platinum without buying it?
But Ash is for edgy kids and Loki is best.
Why do you need to stun enemies when you are going to be invisible anyway?
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Loki>Ash
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
Ash is for edgy kids argument is valid and you can't argue with it.
[QUOTE=Combine 177;44477128]But Ash is for edgy kids and Loki is best.
Why do you need to stun enemies when you are going to be invisible anyway?
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Loki>Ash
[editline]7th April 2014[/editline]
Ash is for edgy kids argument is valid and you can't argue with it.[/QUOTE]
And yet, when I play with Pubs, Loki players are assholes 80% of the time, far more befitting the moniker "edgy kids".
[QUOTE=Craigewan;44477154]And yet always, when I play with Pubs, Loki players are assholes.[/QUOTE]
Who wants to be team player anyways?
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;44477121]Is there a way to earn platinum without buying it?[/QUOTE]
Trade corrupted mods to people. Unranked corrupt mods go from about 5 - 30 plat depending on the mod and the buyer.
Are platinum packs as overpriced on PC as they are on PS4?
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;44477223]Are platinum packs as overpriced on PC as they are on PS4?[/QUOTE]
F2P currency, so yup
Never buy plat without "< -50%" coupon.
[QUOTE=krail9;44477097]
loki's efficiency advantage is insanely miniscule, like 0.1 energy per second better
[/QUOTE]
I was talking about the Essence helmet stats; with Ash, you can get a power efficiency of +30% (via streamline) before you need to start using fleeting expertise, which decreases your power duration. Loki has the Essence helmet, which increases power efficiency by 15%. Combine with a maxed streamline, and you're looking at a +45% power efficiency before you have to sacrifice duration. Invisibility and Smoke Screen are by default almost tied in terms of energy cost per second of invisibility; If Loki can gain higher efficiency without sacrificing duration, he can chain cast his invisibility power for longer than Ash can cast his. I didn't make that clear enough in the conclusion, but I did mention the helmet stat differences when comparing the frames.
Other points:
-Energy pool does matter; it lengthens out the period of time you have before you need to find more energy. Unmodded at rank 30, and assuming that we're only casting invisibility/smoke screen, Ash has 32 seconds total of invisibility before he runs dry (4 casts), while Loki has 48 (also 4 casts). With a maxed flow on each, Ash has 64 seconds (8 casts, or 72 seconds with 9 casts when using the Locust helmet), while Loki has 108 seconds (9 casts). However, with a maxed streamline, Ash only needs one energy orb to recast smoke screen, while Loki needs two. This said, an energy siphon and essence helmet makes the 2 points of energy needed a bit moot.
-I wasn't trying to argue which was the better frame overall; in all honesty, Ash looks like a pretty solid and viable frame. I was contesting your statement that "Ash does it better" when talking about staying invisible all the time, which he doesn't. He does close range combat well, and if power stuns open up finishers, he'll definitely be great for melee 2.0.
Stomp has GREAT utility, I don't know what Exacaliburr-.. is on about. I've been saved countless times by a Rhino just stomping everything in a huge AoE and reviving me. Yes, radial blind has more duration but it doesn't do any damage and unless you use silent weapons enemies can spot you. I personally enjoy Rhino stomp better than radial blind, but that's just me. Many frames scale VERY poorly and that's a known fact . Take Ember for example her abilities are so messed up!
[QUOTE=krail9;44473686]Drasar, you're such a shit-stirer, and all those plans are terribad.
Previews on what might actually happen:
[img]http://puu.sh/7YVtc.png[/img][/QUOTE]
Well if you're going to be boring, you might as well just strip it to the bare minimum, remove all the gardens and host foo dog orgies.
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[QUOTE=krail9;44476458]Lol what is with this constant misinformation about FP clan stuff?
"The leader" just posted directly above you, Jesus.[/QUOTE]
Did Max ever get promoted to clan leader? Last time I checked, he was still warlord.
loki > ash
[IMG]http://puu.sh/2J5xH.jpg[/IMG]
end of argument
Loki = Ash
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Oberon is still my Waifuframe
I actually really, really like Oberon, I just wish that he got more hooplah when he was released, it was just like "Oh yeah, new frame, go", no hype other than a brief mention on a dev-stream.
[QUOTE=Zeos;44478360]I actually really, really like Oberon, I just wish that he got more hooplah when he was released, it was just like "Oh yeah, new frame, go", no hype other than a brief mention on a dev-stream.[/QUOTE]
I started playing again when he was released and, without even paying attention, had got all the parts I needed to make him. And I built him with no knowledge of what he does.
i have all his parts built and i will probably never play him
Someone paid me 50p for my orthos prime blades. What the fuck people.
I wanted to make Oberon, because I like people who can heal (and self heal) and who can theoretically Not die as much as others "classes", but I'm still not sure..
Farming for Oberon is extremely quick and easy, I love doing that run for people.
Ember is best and sexiest
[QUOTE=Zadrave;44478589]Ember is best and sexiest[/QUOTE]
Nova has the best ass. Look at her legs man.
My Ember Prime is almost finished, and I don't even like Ember that much.
[QUOTE=coverop;44478620]Nova has the best ass. Look at her legs man.[/QUOTE]
Nova is the "no fun allowed" button
Kinda harking back to Rhino players being bad, Rhino is my favorite frame in general. I chose him right off the bat because I always go for bigger, tankyer fellas. I don't, however, view myself as on par or worse than a Nova player. I don't even use Iron Skin or Rhino Stomp until it's an emergency and I tend ro favor Rhino Charge more than anything.
I'll admit, I do have problems playing other frames sometimes after an extended stint with Rhino but it's purely from a play style aspect and not that I view any of them as not as good as Rhino. That said, I love playing my Oberon and I enjoy my Ash as well.
Would it be good if I went for a Power Strength build with Excalibur?
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