[QUOTE=Zeroarmorclo;43885020]When I read the Enclave supplement, it sounds more like a Necron weapon.[/QUOTE]
It could be either I suppose, but something that feeds off of life doesn't seem like something the necrons would NEED.
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;43883050]Like, you can think that, but GM'ing that game, they felt so crazy powerful.
Like, in this game, you can all aim up your bolters and synchronously kill an insanely powerful boss in one hit.
Lore and all that shit aside, the rules alone are badass as fuck.[/QUOTE]
sounds like every single tabletop that isn't dnd/pathfinder tbh
Only War is way cooler cause you can be a badass without needing to be big dumb supersoldiers
Space Marines are the most uninspired shit in 40k i swear lol
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[QUOTE=Chronische;43884434]They are a bunch of ignorant fools who don't even have warp travel. They had to reverse engineer a mekboy's personal forcefield to get that tech, and they can't scale it down that much (which is to say, they use it on starships, they can't get it anywhere NEAR personal sized). They are a bunch of barbarians who have no real tech, no real idea of what the universe is like, and are small enough that they are literally not a player in the big leagues.[/QUOTE]
TBH they really don't need warp travel
at the rate the Tau empire is developing, they're just going to have FTL travel which honestly is far superior to "travel through the unstable hellscape that exists between the folds of our very own universe, guided only by some really creepy motherfucker who's mumbling some satanic bullshit"
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speaking of 40k, I'm really excited to play my character Crumpnaff Stomp'zog, Nob Juggernaut!
Teamed up with a Tau Fire Warrior, a Genestealer, an Eldar Farseer and an Imperial Commissar, it's gonna be one hell of a ride.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;43884347]Tau are [B]sensible [/B]race.[/QUOTE]
[quote][B]wh40k[/B][/quote]
wut
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43885553]sounds like every single tabletop that isn't dnd/pathfinder tbh
Only War is way cooler cause you can be a badass without needing to be big dumb supersoldiers
Space Marines are the most uninspired shit in 40k i swear lol[/QUOTE]
Seriously dude, stop criticizing me, you write like everything I do is stupid and you always have the best solution.
Also, Space Marines when played right are just fun. I liken it to Halo. Sure it's unoriginal, but it's hella fun.
[QUOTE=cdr248;43886131]wut[/QUOTE]
nids and necrons are clearly the most sensible because they realize the whole setting is fucked and just want it gone
[QUOTE=SiberysTranq;43887015]nids and necrons are clearly the most sensible because they realize the whole setting is fucked and just want it gone[/QUOTE]
Yeah, Necrons used to be my least favourite race, and now they're one of my favourites because they're just like "Yeah, everything is super fucked, we're here to clean it up so humanity can start anew".
With that said, Necron RP would either be shit or awesome.
"WE SHOULD TAKE THE PLANET"
"YES I AGREE"
"OKAY THEN"
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;43886994]Seriously dude, stop criticizing me, you write like everything I do is stupid and you always have the best solution.
Also, Space Marines when played right are just fun. I liken it to Halo. Sure it's unoriginal, but it's hella fun.[/QUOTE]
lol my opinion on certain factions isn't a personal attack on you, you gotta stop being so sensitive to this kinda shit.
I'm just saying that there are far better factions that feel way more hardcore.
[editline]12th February 2014[/editline]
also playing a necron now makes way more sense due to newcron codex
you're no longer a mindless gay robot and you actually are a character by some degrees
also egypt
[B]Magical Burst: Session 11: Overcharge[/B]
[url]http://pastebin.com/NXbgA51r[/url]
[quote]We start with Eve waking up in the park, with NPCs Ally, Ko, Suzu and Tami. Ally shouts out loud in a public park about her lesbian feelings for Eve. They're dating now. Eve decides to go to the school and talk to the creepy nerd kids and have them keep an eye out for the pink-haired bitch Princess. There, Eve and Ally discover that Princess was previously interred in the hospital. Eve decides to check the hospital out.
Satoya takes the limo with her new husband Shosuke to their house. Shosuke goes to talk to his parents while Satoya wanders around a house with dozens of cats and cat-related paraphernalia. She enters a room where a girl with rabbit ears and a poofy rabbit tail sits in the middle of a salt line-drawn pentagram mumbling shit in Latin. This is Valentine, the painfully edgy bunnygirl magical girl. Satoya and Valentine talk a while, then end up in Shosuke's room. More talking. Valentine buggers off after getting a hit on her demon-finding trinket. This takes her to the hospital.
Eve and Valentine end up meeting at the same place in the hospital, where a demon appeared. They manage to kill it and save the civvie that was about to be sliced to bits by the creepy demonic surgery machine with blades, saws, needles, scalpels and the like. Valentine seems fairly capable, scoring a triplecrit. Eve and Valentine play rock, paper, scissors to see who gets the Oblivion Seed. Eve cheats by using her luck-based magic, not to Valentine's knowledge.
Sarah and Eri, meanwhile, decide to infiltrate a factory. They are not very good at tactical espionage, it seems. They clamber into a vent, which soon breaks. They crawl out of the broken vent and look for a storage closet that contains the pans which hold molten metals, which they find, enter, and loot. Then the door closes behind them. They follow the only available path into a large room made up of catwalks dangling unsafely over vats of molten metals. Giant tentacle pops out of a vat. They cut it up. Another pops up, promptly gets cut. Then like 10 appear, along with a fuckhuge one.
Some fighting later, and out of the ceiling pops none other than Princess, who attacks the fuckhuge one. Sarah decides this would be the perfect opportunity to get revenge on Princess for almost killing her last time, and goes sonic speed jousting with the business end of her billhook, dealing a solid 16 damage out of her 24 health to Princess.
Princess and Sarah exchange blows, Eri ineffectually tries to stop the situation. Princess scores a 15 damage hit on Sarah, leaving Sarah with about 2 health. Eri gets pissed and absorbs the magic of an Oblivion Seed. Princess does the same, but with three seeds instead of one.
End session.[/quote]
I think my no20 system is finally starting to finish. I'm pretty sure no more fundamental changes are going to happen, because for once I'm actually satisfied with my reasoning for everything. The details will probably never stop changing, but the core mechanics are not going to change.
Basically, you have six main stats, which are defined as a dice roll plus modifiers. The dice part comes purely from your race - faeries use 1d4 for strength but 1d10 for wisdom, for example. At first level, for playable races at least, it only ranges from 1d3 to 1d12. I'm planning to have your "race" level up a few times to give more variety, but I'm focusing on getting level 1 playable before I worry too much about that.
Your modifiers will come from everything else - your class ranks, magic items, enchantments, and so on. At low levels, and in stats you have no bonuses in, your race dominates - reflecting how some races would have a natural aptitude for certain things (an orc wizard would be about as good with a sword as a sprite warrior at first level). But not only is that quite variable (sprite warrior would always be rolling at least a 3 on strength and dexterity, while the orc could still roll 1s or 2s), once you start getting enough ranks in a class, that will become the primary factor in your stats, more than enough to overcome your race (a max-level warrior with the worst possible race, siren, would outmatch a first-level warrior in the best possible race, grendellin, purely on stats alone, not bringing in all the traits and skills all those ranks gave, nor the equipment such a character would have).
The player's book is 38 pages long right now, and that only covers character creation, races and classes. Spells, traits, weapons and garments aren't in it yet, and I'm contemplating whether or not to make extensive lore for the game. If I do, I'm going to do it properly this time and start from the ground up. By which I mean "if Universe Simulator didn't crash whenever I got something good, I'd be building a solar system to set the game in instead of making paladin, priest, companion and guardian orders, which is what I'm doing right now".
Also, finally had a title idea: "Unfated". Gives an indirect FATAL reference (since the game was supposed to be "FATAL but not complete shit and less rapey") and ties into a setting idea of making the players "characters whose fates are not predetermined". I'm not 100% sold on it yet but I'm liking it, and it doesn't seem to have been used.
[B]Magical Burst: Session 12: Burst[/B]
[URL]http://pastebin.com/iJdkEYVv[/URL]
[quote]We start where we left off with Sarah and Eri in the middle of fighting a giant demon tentacle and Princess on unsteady catwalks. More blows are exchanged, and Eri and Princess end up knocking each other out of their magical health, forcing them to untransform. Sarah gets nailed by the demon, detransforming her as well. They all try their hands at revive, and pass, ending up back with 3 health each. They cut the giant tentacle more, and Princess' ludicrous buffs kick in after having absorbed the Oblivion Seeds previously. She kills the demon, as Sarah and Eri make their escape, leaving Princess alone.
Sarah stacked up some ludicrous Overcharge, and tries to escape the city before it bursts. She fails. First she magical bursts (~title drop~) pretty massively, blowing up a lot of things and killing quite a few innocent people. Then her fury Overcharge bursts as well, venting in a fury storm that's city blocks wide, causing widespread rioting and fighting, where people kill each other brutally. The same thing happens to Princess back in the factory. Eri, meanwhile, Overcharge heart bursts, releasing a youma which promptly buggers off.
Sarah and Eri go home, where they are later called by some party members to join everyone else for some infodumps in Satoya's husband, Shosuke's mansion.
Meanwhile, Eve and Valentine, having defeated the hospital demon, go to Valentine's house. Valentine is Shosuke's sister, so they live at the same place, obviously. There, Eve and Valentine meet up with Satoya and Shosuke. After some small infodumps and speculation, Eve calls the magical talking bird Enomatia to take an infodump on them. Eve then calls Eri and Sarah to join them.
Everyone arrives, and magic bird starts dumping.
TL;DR of bird infodump: Bird is alien jesus from a different planet, and magic cat is alien satan from the same world as bird. Earth's satan makes demons in the real world by using magic and negative human emotions. Bird makes magical girls to fight demons and help Earth's god who doesn't seem to do anything about EarthSatan fucking shit up on Earth, and bird accomplishes this by basically eviscerating their emotions to stuff magic in.
Suggestions are made on how to solve the problem. Like, for example, "Let's kill satan."
Nobody seems to question any of this. Bird leaves. Everyone who doesn't live there leaves.
End session.[/quote]
I'm in a pathfinder game where we find a chest filled with 5000 gold worth of stuff and a whistle. THe first thing my character does is ignore the note in abyssal instead of letting the oracle actually read it and tellus what it says and grabs the whistle and blows on it summoning a demon.
I play a construct in a campaign where everyone hates magic and wizards because of a couple of Wizard Kings. It also happens the soul used to make the construct alive is one of the Wizard Kings. I walk around town because the guards will probably attack me, and if they leave my engine off and in the back of a stable, some beggar would probably steal me. Never had a game where a playering himself being stole would be a problem.
So Sunday is the Jade Regent Adventure Path, and my human alchemist was murdered by ninja and vikings working on cohort with each other. So now I want to be an [url=http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/humanoids/android]android[/url] oracle of the [url=http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Dark_Tapestry]Dark Tapestry[/url], but my GM cannot get it through his thick skull that
1) Dark Tapestry=/=Great Old Ones and madness. I don't like playing as stereotypical "borderline insane Cthulhu worshippers", hence why character is TN, not CN. And also there's other [url=http://www.pathfinderwiki.com/wiki/Dominion_of_the_Black]things[/url] floating out there that aren't just Great Old Ones.
2) Androids are entirely biological (except for their skeletons maybe, and nanites in their bloodstream). They're more akin to Cylons or Replicants, not the Terminator.
I get that oracles rely on Charisma and 'droids get a -2 to Charisma, but we're at a level where that's not a tremendous issue (level 11, so starting gold=magic shit and all that).
He's perfectly OK with a Svirfneblin in the group, who have a racial ability of having people be [I]permanently blinded[/I], but an android is apparently unacceptable.
Androids are not biological though, they are just humanoid robots. You are thinking cyborgs I think.
[QUOTE=Chronische;43908064]Androids are not biological though, they are just humanoid robots. You are thinking cyborgs I think.[/QUOTE]
Pathfinder Androids are pretty much cyborgs.
[QUOTE=elowin;43908555]Pathfinder Androids are pretty much cyborgs.[/QUOTE]
Nah they're actually androids.
[QUOTE=Chronische;43908064]Androids are not biological though, they are just humanoid robots. You are thinking cyborgs I think.[/QUOTE]
On the Paizo forums the devs confirmed that they are very nearly biological, but their skeleton looks "creepy". They have all of the muscles, nerves, organs, and other things that humans have. They definitely could not pass as human, not without some serious disguises, but they're not robots either.
Hopefully when Iron Gods comes out this'll be clarified. Lots of people keep thinking I want to be a robot wearing a meat suit :/
The distinction between an Android and a Cyborg is that a Cyborg is generally a human with a whole shitload of metal bits, visible or not. An android is a robot designed to replicate a human.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43909595]The distinction between an Android and a Cyborg is that a Cyborg is generally a human with a whole shitload of metal bits, visible or not. An android is a robot designed to replicate a human.[/QUOTE]
cyborg
[IMG]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100114193213/terminator/images/9/96/Hybrid4.jpg[/IMG]
android (by pathfinder definition)
[IMG]http://static1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120314172934/alienanthology/images/5/52/Bishop_up_close.gif[/IMG]
Except 1) give Bishop milky white eyes and 2) if you tore apart Bishop as the Alien Queen did you'll find a whole bunch of wires and synthetic parts. Oh and white blood. If you tore an android apart you'd find pretty much normal human organs, but the blood would be more watery red.
They DO need to breathe and eat, but sleep isn't needed. They also age. And finally, and most importantly, vampires can drain their blood and be fine. They'd just have nanites in their bloodstream now, and that will never backfire. Ever.
Are their... Ah... "bodily functions"... And I'll quote Pappy Palpatine here... Fully armed and operational?
like, the terminator is an Android for example. He was totally a robot designed to mimic human behavior and physical appearance.
Robocop is a cyborg because it's a dude who's got robot bits
Androids who needing to eat/breathe is up to the GM because it's intentionally left ambiguous as to where Androids truly come from in pathfinder.
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[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43909995]Are their... Ah... "bodily functions"... And I'll quote Pappy Palpatine here... Fully armed and operational?[/QUOTE]
Potentially I guess, though Androids ARE emotionless as a fault, so odds are it wouldn't really do much for em
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43910028]like, the terminator is an Android for example. He was totally a robot designed to mimic human behavior and physical appearance.
Robocop is a cyborg because it's a dude who's got robot bits[/QUOTE]
I think at that point the terminology is interchangeable to the point of confusion. I'd agree with both of what you said, but it's not something I'd tell to convince my DM, who is still absolutely convinced that if my android character peeled off her skin you would see circuits and other sci-fi shit.
[quote]Androids who needing to eat/breathe is up to the GM because it's intentionally left ambiguous as to where Androids truly come from in pathfinder.[/quote]
By their stats they are immune to fatigue and exhaustion, thus removing the need for sleep. It says nothing on not needing sleep and food. Of course a GM is welcome to change that, but that would make the android pretty broken as a race at that point. They have to have [I]some[/I] of the same vulnerabilities that humans have.
[quote]Potentially I guess, though Androids ARE emotionless as a fault, so odds are it wouldn't really do much for em[/QUOTE]
From James Jacobs:
[quote]Androids CAN feel emotions, but not very well and they simply don't process them accurately. They're immune to certain types of magically induced emotions (notably fear effects and magical emotion effects), but can feel their own emotions... but just not very well. Think of them as nearly "blind" (or at the least, VERY nearsighted) when it comes to emotions. There is likely an android SOMETHING out there that can unlock this blindness, just as glasses can "unlock" near blindness.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43909995]Are their... Ah... "bodily functions"... And I'll quote Pappy Palpatine here... Fully armed and operational?[/QUOTE]
Androids can have sex, but that's not how they reproduce. They are all effectively sterile.
By the by this is all coming from what the devs said on the Paizo forums. [URL="http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2pcs4?So-many-android-questions"]Especially the one here[/URL].
To be fair, androids aren't really a race intended to be played.
Their entire setup is that they're just some weird mysterious alien shit the end
Ofc nothing is stopping you from rolling one but your GM, but in the end what he says goes and I do agree with him where you'd be a metal man in a flesh suit
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43910515]To be fair, androids aren't really a race intended to be played.
Their entire setup is that they're just some weird mysterious alien shit the end
[/QUOTE]
Not really, since androids are getting a whole bunch of stuff in the future Iron Gods Adventure Path and the Numeria sourcebook coming out in June. Paizo intends for them to be fully playable.
I'm not sure why he's insisting that androids are robots in human skin. Pazio deliberately made them [I]not[/I] be that way, because that would be way too polarizing a move on their part. They already made risky gambles with having the region of Numeria be a thing (complete with [url=http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/056/b/3/myrmidon_robot_by_devburmak-d5w66rp.jpg]actual robots that are[/url] [url=http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/056/6/e/gearsman_robot_by_devburmak-d5w66pc.jpg]not powered by[/url] [url=http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderCampaignSetting/PZO9226-Numeria.jpg]magic at all[/url]), along with the Distant Worlds supplement. Making the only sci-fi ish race be almost entirely organic and not Terminator-esque deters GMs from pointing out "playing as a robot in a fantasy setting? Not in my game!"
So basically, androids don't get emotions and social functions like other humans, to a fault.
Pretty much a perfect fit for anyone [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism]playing a roleplaying game[/url].
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;43910793]Not really, since androids are getting a whole bunch of stuff in the future Iron Gods Adventure Path and the Numeria sourcebook coming out in June. Paizo intends for them to be fully playable.
I'm not sure why he's insisting that androids are robots in human skin. Pazio deliberately made them [I]not[/I] be that way, because that would be way too polarizing a move on their part. They already made risky gambles with having the region of Numeria be a thing (complete with [url=http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/056/b/3/myrmidon_robot_by_devburmak-d5w66rp.jpg]actual robots that are[/url] [url=http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/056/6/e/gearsman_robot_by_devburmak-d5w66pc.jpg]not powered by[/url] [url=http://paizo.com/image/content/PathfinderCampaignSetting/PZO9226-Numeria.jpg]magic at all[/url]), along with the Distant Worlds supplement. Making the only sci-fi ish race be almost entirely organic and not Terminator-esque deters GMs from pointing out "playing as a robot in a fantasy setting? Not in my game!"[/QUOTE]
He's insisting that because it makes way more sense than saying "no im actually just a person who doesn't need to sleep :o)"
like honestly i think you're gms totally in the right here. assuming you're right on the topic of these androids, that sounds really dumb and the original interpretation of a metal frame in mans clothing is way cooler.
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[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;43910972]So basically, androids don't get emotions and social functions like other humans, to a fault.
Pretty much a perfect fit for anyone [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism]playing a roleplaying game[/url].[/QUOTE]
not gonna lie that was pretty fucking funny
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;43911192]He's insisting that [B]because it makes way more sense[/B] than saying "no im actually just a person who doesn't need to sleep :o)"
like honestly i think you're gms totally in the right here. assuming you're right on the topic of these androids, that sounds really dumb and the original interpretation of a metal frame in mans clothing is way cooler.
[/QUOTE]
Are you telling me that in a setting where bards can make buildings explode by singing and witches can gain power by devouring small children, and where people can put on a magic ring and [I]never have to eat or drink again and only need two hours of rest,[/I] a human born artificially makes no sense?
You can say it's dumb all you want, that's how they are portrayed. How "cool" it is is not the issue, it's their nature. Actually it did click with him today and I've been given the green light with the promise for me not to act like a stereotypical Cthulhu cultist, something I'm all to happy to agree to.
having read some of the android shit i think you've got the wrong idea but w/ever dude, you and your gm are cool with it so do it. idgaf what kinda character you decide to play I'm just saying that if your GM shot you down that makes p. decent sense.
[QUOTE=LiquidNazgul;43911363]Are you telling me that in a setting where bards can make buildings explode by singing and witches can gain power by devouring small children, and where people can put on a magic ring and [I]never have to eat or drink again and only need two hours of rest,[/I] a human born artificially makes no sense?
You can say it's dumb all you want, that's how they are portrayed. How "cool" it is is not the issue, it's their nature. Actually it did click with him today and I've been given the green light with the promise for me not to act like a stereotypical Cthulhu cultist, something I'm all to happy to agree to.[/QUOTE]
Paizo has always been pants on head retarded with what they're trying to go for in Pathfinder.
You're talking about people that actively have a hateboner against Monks and crossbows, and advocate Pathfinder maintaining a strict policy of "nitty gritty realism... Unless magic's involved."
And then when you try to argue the absurdity of giving mages such a huge advantage, SKR and the gang enter full-on defensive mode, and the [I]moment[/I] you either lose your cool or say something that can be construed as rude/unreasonable, they say you're trolling, claim victory, and lock the thread.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;43911869]Paizo has always been pants on head retarded with what they're trying to go for in Pathfinder.
You're talking about people that actively have a hateboner against Monks and crossbows, and advocate Pathfinder maintaining a strict policy of "nitty gritty realism... Unless magic's involved."
And then when you try to argue the absurdity of giving mages such a huge advantage, SKR and the gang enter full-on defensive mode, and the [I]moment[/I] you either lose your cool or say something that can be construed as rude/unreasonable, they say you're trolling, claim victory, and lock the thread.[/QUOTE]
I can't exactly disagree with this since my experience with speaking to Paizo staff has mostly been confined to the Golarion setting, James Jacobs at the forums and James Sutter at a convention last year. And I can't say I really got the impression of either of these two gentleman demanding I adhere to nitty gritty realism except magic. Then again I've never spoken to SKR so I dunno.
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