[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;46251739]while i like the concept of randomized rolls, point buys are better in my opinion. being able to distribute points and make your character is more pleasant instead of relying on lucky rolls.[/QUOTE]
Why not both? Have like, slightly below average point buys, with the option to roll for your stats instead.
[QUOTE=krten_2x 4b;46251138]First time playing 5th Edition tonight, and I want to be a nun wizard.
Can I do that?[/QUOTE]
I recently got the ok from a friend to roll a noble child sorcerer who rides around on the shoulder of a trained hireling. :v:
[QUOTE=Dalndox;46251878]I recently got the ok from a friend to roll a noble child sorcerer who rides around on the shoulder of a trained hireling. :v:[/QUOTE]
You have got to post what happens to this character in your upcoming sessions.
[QUOTE=Crimor;46251876]Why not both? Have like, slightly below average point buys, with the option to roll for your stats instead.[/QUOTE]
well i'm open to options. i do agree that a 49 point buy is kind of absurd (i did check it before, zern you're all set)
[QUOTE=krten_2x 4b;46251138]First time playing 5th Edition tonight, and I want to be a nun wizard.
Can I do that?[/QUOTE]
I read that as gun wizard, now I want to play shadowrun even more :v:
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46251890]You have got to post what happens to this character in your upcoming sessions.[/QUOTE]
I rolled their ideals and such randomly and it's actually pretty funny. She wants to be seen as a hero of the people, but at the same time if someone does her injury she doesn't hesitate to ruin their name, destroy their livelihood and salt their fields. :v:
[QUOTE=Dalndox;46251907]I rolled their ideals and such randomly and it's actually pretty funny. She wants to be seen as a hero of the people, but at the same time if someone does her injury she doesn't hesitate to ruin their name, destroy their livelihood and salt their fields. :v:[/QUOTE]
Every spoiled noble (not the genuinely good guys) in any D&D setting ever fits this to a T in any case :v: Forgotten Realms and Eberron, especially, can get very funny about this.
[QUOTE=lintz;46250712]unless you're overwhelming them with fucktons of super mooks, you literally never get stats that high
like, those are stats that even 20th level characters don't get. it takes so much time to get one stat to 20, let alone another, PLUS the rest at 14/10[/QUOTE]
Telling people how they run their games isn't nice
[QUOTE=Funktastic Dog;46251916]Telling people how to run their games isn't nice.[/QUOTE]
i can understand from a meta standpoint, that i'm giving the group a shit load of points. Cause anyone that wanted to look up game breaking combos that required stats, could simply break the game :v
[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;46251921]i can understand from a meta standpoint, that i'm giving the group a shit load of points. Cause anyone that wanted to look up game breaking combos that required stats, could simply break the game :v[/QUOTE]
If you want to break the game I think Savage Species sourcebook pretty much lets you do that. Incarnum can also be pretty broken IIRC.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46251946]If you want to break the game I think Savage Species sourcebook pretty much lets you do that. Incarnum can also be pretty broken IIRC.[/QUOTE]
nah nah, i didn't mean to imply i want to. i'm saying that i can see why people would think it's absurd to have ridiculous point buys which could literally let them break peoples houses down with their fists / brains.
There was, as I recall, a post made by a guy on the GiantITP forums that detailed a bunch of homebrew dragon types. Among these was an Incarnum dragon (called a Prana dragon) which seemed very well designed. This was a while ago so I'm not sure if I can find it.
Scratch that, I found it: [url]http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?169209-30-New-Dragons-(more-true-dragons-than-the-draconomicon)[/url]
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;46251914]Every spoiled noble (not the genuinely good guys) in any D&D setting ever fits this to a T in any case :v: Forgotten Realms and Eberron, especially, can get very funny about this.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it was pretty standard affair until I rolled her flaw and it ended up being that she was obsessed with "carnal pleasures".
[QUOTE=xxfalconxx;46250763]So it has come to this, after a long time in waiting. I, group paladin, must use my piddly 3 charisma to persuade the group rogue to either stop being evil, or return the doomsday device he so aptly stole from me before I could lock it up. To make it worse, I'm pretty sure he's bringing a superrogue to help him, should we get into a fight. I really don't want to have to kill him, but as a paladin, I suppose no evil can go unpunished.
Being good is hard. I understand why so many people become evil now.[/QUOTE]
How the fuck do you give uplifting stories about the glory and triumph of all that is good and holy when you're that lacking in social graces and skills?
In either case. All you need to do is lay down the law. "You stole this artifact that rightfully belongs to me and my order. Your standing as a man/elf/dwarf/half fae star child/half orc is evil and wicked in the highest order. Undo this and you shall see the dawn of a new day, proceed and your soul will be lost to all that is good in this world, buried in an unmarked grave. Make your choice".
Paladins are rad as shit dude.
[QUOTE=Intense Funkid;46251871]actually those are his stats after racial mods[/QUOTE]
I realize.
[t]http://puu.sh/ceGk1.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/ceGn6.png[/t]
Hence why I said "[I]as a tengu[/I]".
the cleric I whipped up for a friends pf game's starting statline looks kinda depressing next to that
[QUOTE=Rats808;46252284]I realize.
[t]http://puu.sh/ceGk1.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/ceGn6.png[/t]
Hence why I said "[I]as a tengu[/I]".[/QUOTE]
oh yeah you're right. i plugged in the con modifier wrong, zern fix your shit :v
thanks rats.
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46252308]the cleric I whipped up for a friends pf game's starting statline looks kinda depressing next to that[/QUOTE]
you shouldn't feel that, as mentioned, that statline is so padded it's not even funny
if everyone's op then ok but still
It is by no means a standard to compare yourself to. That's like a highschool freshman planning to take classes on physics and shit comparing himself to the smartest man in the galaxy.
Having [I]one[/I] stat at 20 is pretty great, let alone [I]two.[/I]
[QUOTE=Rats808;46252343]It is by no means a standard to compare yourself to. That's like a highschool freshman planning to take classes on physics and shit comparing himself to the smartest man in the galaxy.
Having [I]one[/I] stat at 20 is pretty great, let alone [I]two.[/I][/QUOTE]
yeah, it's literally the universal point build, the adventurers aren't the only ones around, there is easily anyone that can push their shit in. But like i said, i plan on lowering the point buy when it comes to 5e, specially so seeing as it caps at 20. which i like, i don't like the exponential number game of 3.5 and pathfinder :v but i can't try 5e without all of the material.
"easily anyone that can push their shit in"
the average value for a given stat is 10 (ie, npc humans)
PCs have more than that because they're extraordinary.
most enemies don't even reach that in some stats.
i'm not saying you should change it but you shouldn't be treating this as normal either
[QUOTE=lintz;46252449]"easily anyone that can push their shit in"
the average value for a given stat is 10 (ie, npc humans)
PCs have more than that because they're extraordinary.
most enemies don't even reach that in some stats.
i'm not saying you should change it but you shouldn't be treating this as normal either[/QUOTE]
i'm talking about other npc adventurers and whatnot. Not the average commoner is built like a muscle builder who lifts 500 lb logs for a living. or has the brain the size of a watermelon. 'commoners' are still commoners, people who have classes follow the bloated point buy. again i keep stressing i'm gonna change it :v
[QUOTE=cyclocius;46252086]How the fuck do you give uplifting stories about the glory and triumph of all that is good and holy when you're that lacking in social graces and skills?
In either case. All you need to do is lay down the law. "You stole this artifact that rightfully belongs to me and my order. Your standing as a man/elf/dwarf/half fae star child/half orc is evil and wicked in the highest order. Undo this and you shall see the dawn of a new day, proceed and your soul will be lost to all that is good in this world, buried in an unmarked grave. Make your choice".
Paladins are rad as shit dude.[/QUOTE]
yeah except he only has 3 charisma, which means he's literally incapable of communicating pretty much anything
[QUOTE=Rats808;46251846]Okay but in order to get 14/20/14/14/20/10 as a tengu, using point buy, that's a point total of 54.
That's so high it's transcended from pathfinder's level 1 high fantasy scrubs into being level 1 demigods.
Like seriously most point-buy games have around 32 points at most, and you're adding another 22 onto that(which is itself enough for a 'low fantasy' game).
You might as well just say roll 1d6+12 for your stats before applying racial mods.
I'm not saying it's wrong to have that many points, I'm just saying holy shit that's a high-powered game and I wouldn't be surprised to see the fighter/berserker punching down city walls within the first few sessions just because.[/QUOTE]
A method I've seen (and grown to love) is 20-25 Point Buy, but the points are distributed in a "1 for 1" manner.
18 Strength costs 8 points, for example.
speaking of my cleric
[URL="https://db.tt/CFs6tDYr"]
is anything glaringly awful here[/URL]
I'm failing to see what the issue is unless his players aren't having fun or people are being 'That Guy' everywhere. Use whatever you think works best. I set up a roll system to allow some higher end stats myself (worst case scenario you have all 10's and maybe an 11 or 12) and that's cause it works with the idea in mind. If you believe it needs to be lowered then you can.
In other news, I'm interested to hear about 5th edition from more people who are trying it out. I hear it's good for what's available. Especially with Rogues receiving some love again after all this time. Pathfinder does not love Rogues that much (which I hope will be fixed in Unchained).
i would suggest swapping wis and con, and dex and cha
unless you plan to play as the tank, you don't need that much con and you should always take penalties in social stats first if you're playing a close combat character.
that 1 AC could be the difference between hit and miss
also you misspelt priest
[QUOTE=Mellowbloom;46252727]speaking of my cleric
[URL="https://db.tt/CFs6tDYr"]
is anything glaringly awful here[/URL][/QUOTE]
no rope 0/10
[QUOTE=Trooper-guy1;46252742]I'm failing to see what the issue is unless his players aren't having fun or people are being 'That Guy' everywhere. Use whatever you think works best. I set up a roll system to allow some higher end stats myself (worst case scenario you have all 10's and maybe an 11 or 12) and that's cause it works with the idea in mind. If you believe it needs to be lowered then you can.
In other news, I'm interested to hear about 5th edition from more people who are trying it out. I hear it's good for what's available. Especially with Rogues receiving some love again after all this time. Pathfinder does not love Rogues that much (which I hope will be fixed in Unchained).[/QUOTE]
Although it's not first hand experience, from what i read i enjoy the changes on paper, barring the skill system. but since i haven't gotten to play test, hopefully someone else can give a better idea. What it ideally does is fix the 'issue' with pathfinder and 3.5 and their love of "big numbers is better" like +20/+15/+10 etc attack bonus. replaces ranks n whatnot with proficiency. Like a level one character has a +2 proficiency bonus with their chosen skills and weapons. it's really neat sounding in my opinion.
[QUOTE=gman003-main;46251145]Were you deliberately trying to make the worst character build possible?[/QUOTE]
I'm more about beating up the evil things than I am talking them down. Didn't think i'd need that much.
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