The Elder Scrolls Megathread XVI: Loremaster Extraordinaire - Games

[QUOTE=Jojje;47592883]There isn't much of a financial incentive anyway. He'll get $0.25 per sale (if everyone buys it at $1) and he can only retrieve the money if he gets up to $100. Good fucking luck.[/QUOTE] He actually needs to sell $400 before he gets his $100.

Sure hope people have got the last version of SkyUI backed up.

This whole shit is ridiculous and has no future. All this will do is piss people the fuck off who will then pirate it. I doubt with the huge backlash that other companies will even participate, especially not ones who understand modding and care about it and their customers. The idea of pirating a mod is fucking absurd, but there it is, and I doubt the prospects of ANY modding community being possible under paid systems. There was [i]nothing[/i] wrong with the previous system. This is pure, wholesale greed. Least this will show who the greedy and sellout among us are.

Considering modpiracy's existence these mods will be bought and then refunded by some people and they'll quickly find their way onto the circuit for free anyway.

How precisely does SWF modding work? I might fork SkyUI

but after all this time of developing it for the community and then coming back purely to try and bring in some profit is a nice dickslap to the face

I submitted my follower to the workshop. He is literally just a follower with no unique dialouge or vocie with a few scripts and spells. I'm playing on making it a pay what you want thing. Free - $1 And telling users that I recommend just getting it for free and telling them everything an anything that could go wrong y/n [editline]24th April 2015[/editline] I'm stuck with my bank information part. I have no fucking clue what a SWIFT BIC is

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47592933]I submitted my follower to the workshop. He is literally just a follower with no unique dialouge or vocie with a few scripts and spells. I'm playing on making it a pay what you want thing. Free - $1 And telling users that I recommend just getting it for free and telling them everything an anything that could go wrong y/n [editline]24th April 2015[/editline] I'm stuck with my bank information part. I have no fucking clue what a SWIFT BIC is[/QUOTE] Bank Identifier Code, used for international transfers and shit. Log in to your bank, should be somewhere in there. Or use a lookup service [url]http://www.swiftbic.com/[/url]

[QUOTE=Askaris;47592911]Sure hope people have got the last version of SkyUI backed up.[/QUOTE] [url]http://reddit.com/r/modpiracy[/url] its in the sticky

[QUOTE=Jojje;47592883]There isn't much of a financial incentive anyway. He'll get $0.25 per sale (if everyone buys it at $1) and he can only retrieve the money if he gets up to $100. Good fucking luck.[/QUOTE] That's 400 sales, right? He'll probably get to that by the sheer volume of people wanting to get it. This whole thing started the day after I started tinkering with modding, it's a bit uncanny. I don't know whether I should be spurred on to create a superior free mod, or abandon modding in disgust.

[QUOTE=Askaris;47592911]Sure hope people have got the last version of SkyUI backed up.[/QUOTE] It'll remain on Nexus, thankfully. The problem is that if the new version starts to become a standard requirement, gg no re.

Comsidering the amature nature of mods, and how fucking amazingly buggy Skyrim's mods are, there is no justification for even selling them. They're made by amatures, mostly shoddy, and can fuck up your game. I love mods, but they are not to be sold.

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47592933]I submitted my follower to the workshop. He is literally just a follower with no unique dialouge or vocie with a few scripts and spells. I'm playing on making it a pay what you want thing. Free - $1 And telling users that I recommend just getting it for free and telling them everything an anything that could go wrong y/n [editline]24th April 2015[/editline] I'm stuck with my bank information part. I have no fucking clue what a SWIFT BIC is[/QUOTE] I'd advise against this, you've seen the shit that's been happening to these people.

[QUOTE=Banned?;47592881]Yeah, but he is going to charge a dollar for it. A dollar. He is not going to make money off it. People will pirate the shit out of it after the first person uploads it and that is going to be the end of it. We already saw the first day sales numbers and how contributors only made $700. Not $700 per person, $700 for everyone who has uploaded a paid mod. Meanwhile, Bethesda and Valve are walking away with several thousand already, which in the context of large companies like them is [I]nothing[/I]. I don't understand how anyone is thinking this is good at making money. This is good at making people angry.[/QUOTE] If we lived in a perfect world where people are happy with this system of paying for mods then $1 is an incredibly reasonable amount to pay for a function which is so important to most people's Skyrim experience. If you're taking what he said about not expecting this community backlash then the 9 million or whatever downloads would actually equal a significant amount of money. Obviously we're not living in this idyllic world of his but I do think it's a bit unreasonable to act like he's some sort of horrible person for wanting money. Disregarding the morals and affect on the community etc. then it's perfectly reasonable to prefer to charge a dollar (or 25 cents depending on how you're looking at it) rather than giving it away for free. Money makes the world go round whether you like it or not unfortunately.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;47592961]I'd advise against this, you've seen the shit that's been happening to these people.[/QUOTE] That's the #1 thing Im worried about. They probably will still think that I'm some sort of scum even though it's optional to pay. Fuck it, I'm releasing it for free on the nexus.

[QUOTE=Askaris;47592911]Sure hope people have got the last version of SkyUI backed up.[/QUOTE] I'm p sure I have a functioning archive of it in my MO downloads folder, if anyone needs it. [editline]asdf[/editline] Anyways, I'm thinking of making my own little mod to rebuild Helgen. Completely questless and annoyance-free; the Jarl of Falkreath sends a large number of workers to the ruins after a few weeks and it gradually rebuilds over time, without any input on the Dragonborn's part. Because I'm really sick of Helgen Reborn. [sp]And no charge![/sp]

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47592982]That's the #1 thing Im worried about. They probably will still think that I'm some sort of scum even though it's optional to pay. Fuck it, I'm releasing it for free on the nexus.[/QUOTE] Make sure you include a video of it, I never download follower mods that don't have a video displaying them, and I'm sure many others do the same.

If the guy behind SkyUI was somehow a recurrent figure of the modding community and was still heavily working on mods I'd understand that he'd want some money for his effort but the truth is that he hasn't worked on a mod for two years and basically just came back to it solely because valve sent him an email promising good money should have accept to publish [I]something[/I]. He's not even in the "modders who need to eat" train that people want to defend, he's obviously not killing himself modding because he hasn't modded for two years.

[QUOTE=Graventite;47592962] Money makes the world go round whether you like it or not unfortunately.[/QUOTE] No, fuck that. This kind of argument comes up every time some bullshit that shouldn't get monetized does, or something that shouldn't be monitored is, or some violation happens, or anything bullshit like that. This is not inevitable, or justified, the previous system worked perfectly fine. If they had done nothing it still would be fine today. Mods are not something you should make money off of, period. Need money? Get a job. Can't get one? That sucks. I know a lot of people turn to donations to get by. But just because you make something nice doesn't mean you automatically get to mine it for money because you're short. Find something else. I would never [i]think[/i] to charge for a mod, and I've been perfectly close to homelessness before.

If they're in fucking poverty they should stop modding and get to work. How the fuck can they even act like they have such shit living conditions if they obviously have a good computer, internet connection and money to spill on games and tool licenses? I bet these people don't even live on their own.

I think it's safe to say Skyrim modding is dead now that SkyUI is a paid mod.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;47593039]If they're in fucking poverty they should stop modding and get to work. How the fuck can they even act like they have such shit living conditions if they obviously have a good computer, internet connection and money to spill on games and tool licenses? I bet these people don't even live on their own.[/QUOTE] I agree with you but I still think that's a little harsh.

[QUOTE=Graventite;47592962] Money makes the world go round whether you like it or not unfortunately.[/QUOTE] If money really made the world go round why did we have mods in the first place?

[QUOTE=Graventite;47592962]If we lived in a perfect world where people are happy with this system of paying for mods then $1 is an incredibly reasonable amount to pay for a function which is so important to most people's Skyrim experience.[/QUOTE] Very debatable. In my view, something that serves as a hard pre-requisite for other mods should never have a price tag. You might as well add a buck to the game's price if that happens. Having paid mods being part of a perfect world is debatable, too.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;47593026]No, fuck that. This kind of argument comes up every time some bullshit that shouldn't get monetized does, or something that shouldn't be monitored is, or some violation happens, or anything bullshit like that. This is not inevitable, or justified, the previous system worked perfectly fine. If they had done nothing it still would be fine today. Mods are not something you should make money off of, period. Need money? Get a job. Can't get one? That sucks. I know a lot of people turn to donations to get by. But just because you make something nice doesn't mean you automatically get to mine it for money because you're short. Find something else. I would never [i]think[/i] to charge for a mod, and I've been perfectly close to homelessness before.[/QUOTE] Let me just start by saying that I don't think Valve are going about this the right way and I don't like the idea of paying for mods. But... I really don't understand what you think is so sacred about mods that it should not be possible to pay for them? I agree that it's pretty monopolistic for Valve to implement it in the way that they are and it would turn into a war between pirates and those who want to charge for mods. Copyright issues aside, if someone has made something, why shouldn't they be allowed to charge for it? You can't argue that it worked 'perfectly fine' since you don't know if you would have better content if people got paid to create mods. The system wasn't broken before and you could argue that it is now but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be [I]allowed[/I] to charge. If there isn't a market for it then that would become obvious, the same applies to if there is a market willing to pay.

[QUOTE=Durrsly;47593095]I think it's safe to say Skyrim modding is dead now that SkyUI is a paid mod.[/QUOTE] The changes to MCM will be applied to the free version. Basically the only changes brought by the paid version will be the new crafting/enchanting menu, and that's it. I'll give him one thing and it's that he knows better than to obliterate the modding community by altering MCM to be unusable for free users.

[QUOTE=MegaJohnny;47593103]Very debatable. In my view, something that serves as a hard pre-requisite for other mods should never have a price tag. You might as well add a buck to the game's price if that happens. Having paid mods being part of a perfect world is debatable, too.[/QUOTE] I meant a 'perfect world' as in an oversimplified world without a vociferous community with a willingness to pirate mods. Mods that require other mods to function is another complexity that clearly hasn't been addressed to any reasonable degree in Valve's system.

[QUOTE=_charon;47592998]Make sure you include a video of it, I never download follower mods that don't have a video displaying them, and I'm sure many others do the same.[/QUOTE] Might as well make one.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;47593124]The changes to MCM will be applied to the free version. Basically the only changes brought by the paid version will be the new crafting/enchanting menu, and that's it. I'll give him one thing and it's that he knows better than to obliterate the modding community by altering MCM to be unusable for free users.[/QUOTE] I'm going to wait and see what happens. I wouldn't put it past him to make this the last update for the free version.

[url=https://github.com/lavacano201014/skyui]Or you can just look at 4.1's source on GitHub[/url] it's not the original FLA files because I don't have access to those, but it's in XML which is just as editable because swfmill is a miracle tool [editline]24th April 2015[/editline] the best part is you can just download it and plop it into Skyrim/Data or Mod Organizer and use it like before