The Elder Scrolls Megathread XVI: Loremaster Extraordinaire - Games

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139774] After roughly 78 hours of gameplay and several quests after, I can safely say [B]I'm done with Skyrim[/B] It's my first TES game and I don't know if it will be the last: I found it to be better than what my friends told me and worse than all the praises it gets today still[/QUOTE] Even without mods there's no such thing as 'done' with a TES game. Being bored, fine but done is pretty much impossible, especially on PC.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139841]I know this question isn't going to bell well recived here, but am I the only one absolutely baffled about how a big game company like Bethesda can dish out such unpolished games and how people are forced to mod their games to death? I'd feel ripped off[/QUOTE] Because the games are completely one of a kind, and even if they weren't, the universes they take place in are.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139841]I know this question isn't going to bell well recived here, but am I the only one absolutely baffled about how a big game company like Bethesda can dish out such unpolished games and how people are forced to mod their games to death? I'd feel ripped off[/QUOTE] At this point I don't care: the game is great, I don't care where the great comes from, so long as I don't have to pay extra for said great... *cough* Civ 5 *cough*

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139841]I know this question isn't going to bell well recived here, but am I the only one absolutely baffled about how a big game company like Bethesda can dish out such unpolished games and how people are forced to mod their games to death? I'd feel ripped off[/QUOTE] Because it's the only game of it's type (fallout notwithstanding) there is no other game like TES

[QUOTE=Craigewan;47139819]they only come into their own when modded[/QUOTE] Any mod that changes around Skyrim's art style, enemies, gameplay, or lore is absolute sacrilege to me. Skyrim, imo, is the best open world game ever made and I feel like mods detract from that. Every time I see someone using a mod that changes Skyrim's artstyle to a super colorful uber bright look-at-my-lighting I die a little on the inside. I love the game's natural atmosphere. Mods I can get behind are ones like Morrowind 3.0 that completely and totally graphically update the game, without sacrificing the game's original 'feel.' Each to his own though.

Thank you, I thought I was alone

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139841]I'd feel ripped off[/QUOTE] You get used to it. Seriously.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139841]I know this question isn't going to bell well recived here, but am I the only one absolutely baffled about how a big game company like Bethesda can dish out such unpolished games and how people are forced to mod their games to death? I'd feel ripped off[/QUOTE] I think any long time fan of the series feels ripped off really. We complain with each iteration but the huge modding scene kinda balances it out.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47139801]Are you fucking crazy? I'm done I have other games to attend to[/QUOTE] Yeah no you're not done you just think you are

I want you to understand that this is not about the game itself At a certain point in my life (the fact I'm hopefully months away from my degree may had some part in it) I realized that I can't just play every game to its very bones and keep replaying titles: as I'm writing this I've plenty of games I still have to play So no: I've spent nearly 80 hours in Skyrim already, clearing everything I wanted to clear in the first place. I'm certainly not investing my own free time going after quests and objectives I don't give two shits about or getting a degree in informatic engineering just to turn the game into Final Naruto Barbie Dollhouse or embark into fan quests that make no sense whatsoever more often than not

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47140139]'m certainly not investing my own free time going after quests and objectives I don't give two shits about or [B]getting a degree in informatic engineering just to turn the game into Final Naruto Barbie Dollhouse or embark into fan quests that make no sense whatsoever more often than not[/B][/QUOTE] Genuine question: how do you even manage to start Skyrim up? I wasn't being aggressive before, but really? I mean, 'hey I'm going to belittle the mods made by talented and dedicated creators because... well... because!' all it takes is for you to google Falskaar or Wyrmstooth.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;47140363]Genuine question: how do you even manage to start Skyrim up? I wasn't being aggressive before, but really?[/QUOTE] It's like asking why someone prefers chocolate ice cream over strawberry, honestly

chocolate ice cream is pretty gross

[QUOTE=cdr248;47140401]chocolate ice cream is pretty gross[/QUOTE] I know right? Lemon and green apple for life

[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;47139323]But the game wasn't even released with mod tools, those came over a month later.[/QUOTE] And people modded it anyway.

I only install lore friendly dragon dildo mods yiff

[QUOTE=DrasarSalman;47139323]But the game wasn't even released with mod tools, those came over a month later.[/QUOTE] you don't need mod tools to mod a game, it just makes it easier. there's plenty of shit out for dying light and that doesn't have an official mod tool out yet.

[QUOTE=cdr248;47140116]I think any long time fan of the series feels ripped off really. We complain with each iteration but the huge modding scene kinda balances it out.[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself. Geez. I feel like I'm the only one here who thinks every ES game fantastic, with each game improving on the last?

[QUOTE=Linkuya;47140470]Speak for yourself. Geez. I feel like I'm the only one here who thinks every ES game fantastic, with each game improving on the last?[/QUOTE] It's a whole two steps forward one step back. Things will essentially be improved but it will always feel lacking (aka nostalgia vision)

[QUOTE=cdr248;47140486](aka nostalgia vision)[/QUOTE] I understand that concept but I've personally never felt that way.

I've found that fans who started on console, or PC fans that generally don't mod the games think they're fine as they are, and mods are simply neat optional improvements and changes, meanwhile the long since jaded "fans" who share the opinion that the games are unplayable without mods are just way too deep into it and judge the game based on "it doesn't have x mod from the last game as a vanilla feature so it's shit" rather than judging the game for itself. It's hardly a case of actual quality and more a case of false expectations reinforced by modding the games to near unrecognizability for far too many years.

some mods become a necessity to playing a game though with ES that isn't the case since bethesda always improves the vanilla elements of their games just think at how crazy awesome the next fallout game will be on its own, pretty much all the great gameplay elements that have been added on over the years (iron sights, 360 camera movement with the mouse, sprinting, etc.) will be in it, along with better graphics (that will be modded anyway). todd howard knows this and continues to allow us to climb mountains while doing basic bitch shit.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47140368]It's like asking why someone prefers chocolate ice cream over strawberry, honestly[/QUOTE] Sure it would be, if you hadn't previously said you like strawberry ice cream whilst sincerely referring to chocolate ice cream as turd ice cream. Mods in this case being the chocolate ice cream... and the referring to as turd being this: [QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47140368]getting a degree in informatic engineering just to turn the game into Final Naruto Barbie Dollhouse or embark into fan quests that make no sense whatsoever more often than not[/QUOTE]

i give up around level 25 on every single character i run in skyrim because that's how long it takes my brain to realize it's running a treadmill

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;47140424]Lemon and green apple for life[/QUOTE] Ewwwww.

I feel like, if skyrim was bigger it would have been better. As it stands right now, skyrim is almost perfectly in scale to Oblivion. Which, while neat from a modeling aspect I COULDN'T GIVE THE SLIGHTEST OF FUCKS ABOUT. Just make it bigger next time Bethesda.

I played like 400 hours on console and I got skyrim on pc because it needed more mods its a great game but it gets boring fast unless you have mods

[QUOTE=_Maverick_;47140780]I feel like, if skyrim was bigger it would have been better. As it stands right now, skyrim is almost perfectly in scale to Oblivion. Which, while neat from a modeling aspect I COULDN'T GIVE THE SLIGHTEST OF FUCKS ABOUT. Just make it bigger next time Bethesda.[/QUOTE] I feel like making the map bigger would just create more empty space. People already complain about all the dungeons feeling copy pasted and I'd much rather there be a little bit more quality than quantity when it comes to level design.

Something I forgot to mention: the final battle against Miraak was awazing (althought I wanted him to have more screentime, which wasn't helped by the absourdly short Dragonborn main questline)

[QUOTE=Pops;47140644]some mods become a necessity to playing a game though with ES that isn't the case since bethesda always improves the vanilla elements of their games just think at how crazy awesome the next fallout game will be on its own, pretty much all the great gameplay elements that have been added on over the years (iron sights, 360 camera movement with the mouse, sprinting, etc.) will be in it, along with better graphics (that will be modded anyway). todd howard knows this and continues to allow us to climb mountains while doing basic bitch shit.[/QUOTE] I really, really hope Fallout 4 lets you hold any one-handed gun in either hand and wield 2 different guns that way, like the dual-wielding in Halo 2, since asymmetrical dual weapons/spells were such a big focused-on feature in Skyrim.