The Elder Scrolls Megathread XVI: Loremaster Extraordinaire - Games

[QUOTE=elowin;47467773]That's dumb. Fuck destiny, I do what I want.[/QUOTE] Told ya, people shouldn't listen to Kirkbride.

[QUOTE=elowin;47467773]That's dumb. Fuck destiny, I do what I want.[/QUOTE] It's the super distant future, and [sp]it appears that what happens is that the Thalmor manage to bring in a full-strength Numidium, who erases men from existence; but then he starts going nuts on Nirn, kicking the existence out of it and erasing the Thalmor and seemingly every race but the Hist, some Khajiit living on the moon, and the Dunmer (thanks to Vivec bringing them to the moon somehow), as well as murdelizing the linearity of time, and most of the Aedra and Daedra. Consequences of this are alternate timelines of a sort, ranging from Vivec being a superhero fighting TV people (though this was apparently mostly symbolic), to something involving bug people in Morrowind, so you can believe what you want.[/sp] Also there's a theory that what makes the heroes mentioned in the Elder Scrolls (which are less prophecies, more "eventually, some dude will come along and do this, unless he doesn't want to") so important is their power of "fuck destiny", so you have that.

was the dude in Oblivion prophesized in the elder scrolls too or was he really just some background jobber guy who happened to be important and Martin was really the hero

[QUOTE=Cone;47467835]was the dude in Oblivion prophesized in the elder scrolls too or was he really just some background jobber guy who happened to be important and Martin was really the hero[/QUOTE] Martin was always the hero, but Uriel was having dreams about you helping him end the Oblivion Crisis before he died. I would say you're like the sidekick in Oblivion's main quest.

[QUOTE=Cone;47467835]was the dude in Oblivion prophesized in the elder scrolls too or was he really just some background jobber guy who happened to be important and Martin was really the hero[/QUOTE] I don't think we're ever told, but it seems like any event with multiple possible endings is in the Elder Scrolls so probably one of them. I would think it's the CoC who would be considered the Hero so far as mythic roles go, just because the CoC is unpredictable, being the player, but Martin is always gonna follow the same path. TES follows a weird line between boring meta fourth-wall-breaking "IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A VIDEO GAME" stuff, and interesting metaphysics, what with [sp]water is memory, timespace is sound (which is how thu'ums and Dwemer tonal architecture works)[/sp] and [sp]Padomay is I AM NOT while Anu is I AM, which can also be read as 1s and 0s[/sp]. edit: small clarification: I mean hero as in what people have started calling the Prisoner; someone who starts with no clear identity, and no past, and thus is capable of being anything, not as in just the guy who saved the day (which was totally Martin).

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47467381]Holy shit I went with Ralof when I started my playthrough but seeing this thread and Ulfric and his mate being racist dickheads is making me want to go with the empire. I'm just going to remain neutral for now, helping the people of skyrim. Can't we just murder the fucking talmor.[/QUOTE] If you guys want to fuck up the Thalmor so bad I'm pretty sure Helgen Reborn comes with a thalmor questline

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;47467748]I always pick Stormcloaks because the general of the Imperial army who is present in Helgen at the time does nothing to reprimand his retarded bitch captain for sentencing an innocent person (the player) to die. Also it doesn't really matter anyway. According to Kirkbride, the Thalmor are destined to succeed in the very end. There's no hope for Nirn.[/QUOTE] They just think you're a peasant so they probably think it doesn't make a difference. If you didn't smash her face in with Ralof when you escape then I probably wouldn't join the imperials if they didn't punish her first.

[QUOTE=Lium;47464330]They try to cut your fucking head off. Why do people just gloss over this as though it doesn't matter? All these cries of "Oh Ulfric, he's a monster who doesn't like elves." He helps you out after the Imperials try to illegally execute you and all the Stormcloaks and doesn't ask for anything really. So what if the Stormcloaks don't like elves? Considering all the shit they've been responsible for, it's no wonder. Slavery, cannibalism, attempting to outright destroy the world. If you would seriously want to help out the guys who try to murder you, and only let it go after most of them get eaten by a dragon, then I seriously have no idea what to tell you. And don't give me any of that "But if the Stormcloaks win, the Thalmor do too!" bullshit. As though Ulfric would just let the elves go after he became High King and drove them from Skyrim. And you, the Dragonborn, who defeats living gods and is basically a one-man army, you'd be pretty useful in the fight against them.[/QUOTE] i just want to preface this post with this: you sound a little upset about this, i didn't mean anything with my comment saying it's dumb to side stormcloak or the thought of having an independent collective. it's all cool. i just personally like the imperials - and i'm predisposed to doing so because i generally play either redguard or bosmer. I have no interest in altmer or dunmer or nord or imperial or the beast races. the redguard / bosmer class is just fun for me from a gameplay and an immersion perspective. i absolutely cannot immerse myself while playing an argonian or khajit. it just feels too weird and out there. my siding with the imperials is actually also influenced by my real world philosophy - diversity and cosmopolitanism are things that i as an individual really cherish, and both the nords and the elves (well, the altmer and the dunmer at least) are racist motherfuckers. this is clear through both skyrim and morrowind. now on to my argument re: Ulfric and the stormcloaks: i don't think ulfric is a monster at all. i think he's misguided, has some racist tendencies that he sends outwards as a way of motivating his base to fight for their independence. i also don't think that fighting for your independence is inherently wrong, despite my favor of centralized power as a means of minimizing social ills (structural racism especially). ulfric just wants representation for his people - but the way that he tactically goes about it tends to disenfranchise the peoples of others, which by its very nature is contradictory and hypocritical as a motherfucker, which eventually just breeds this racist and xenophobic nationalism amongst his soldiers. while ulfric may not be the most racist, plenty of nords in stormcloak controlled territories are. and it's not just the elves. the nords literally think they're the best race and believe themselves to be separate and above the rest of the races. they call themselves people of the sky, and believe that they were breathed down by the heavens on to the earth, and as such, that makes them more divine and more badass than the rest of the races (even the man races). which is why their cherished shout is such a huge deal when an outsider can do it and not be a nord. which disproves this idea that they've got some sort of more holy origin story. as far as trying to murder you - it's war, and war crimes happen. especially in those days, and especially when the imperials were under such a massive amount of pressure from the aldmeri dominion. in the event that the imperials were unable to repel the stormcloaks, the likely scenario would be the invasion of the aldmeri dominion into skyrim - and in the great war between the aldmeri and the imperials, specifically the invasion of the imperial city, the aldmeri dominion effectively committed genocide on the populace. if they were to come into stormcloak controlled skyrim, it would be [I]far, far worse[/I]. Reason being is that the Rebellion of the Stormcloaks against the Empire would not be viewed as a Rebellion against the Empire - it'd be perceived as a Rebellion against the Aldmeri Dominion. Given their extremely brutal conduct in the Great War, I can't imagine that they'd be much nicer in regards to a racist nationalist rebellion by the Nords, who also have the power of the shout - a potentially dangerous tool against their reign. basically Ulfric's reasons for wanting to rebel are largely personal (he was extremely pissed that he was imprisoned by the empire after he had liberated markarth from the forsworn [B]FOR[/B] the empire, thus preventing him from being at his father's funeral at the time of his passing) and contradictory and just tactically all around not a good idea. i like the empire and I hate the thalmor, and that's why i choose imperial. [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_charon;47462963]Skyrim is the furthest in the future as games go. C0DA is the absolute most distant point in the future, but it's 1. Near incomprehensible Michael Kirkbridism 2. Only canon because it isn't not canon, as are all things outside the games. It's best to just accept anything by MK as canon unless Bethesda says otherwise though, they draw from him a lot.[/QUOTE] isn't kirkbride the one who came up with chim? i like chim, think it's interesting [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] im a big gay talos lover

[QUOTE=_charon;47467882]I don't think we're ever told, but it seems like any event with multiple possible endings is in the Elder Scrolls so probably one of them. I would think it's the CoC who would be considered the Hero so far as mythic roles go, just because the CoC is unpredictable, being the player, but Martin is always gonna follow the same path. TES follows a weird line between boring meta fourth-wall-breaking "IT'S ACTUALLY JUST A VIDEO GAME" stuff, and interesting metaphysics, what with [sp]water is memory, timespace is sound (which is how thu'ums and Dwemer tonal architecture works)[/sp] and [sp]Padomay is I AM NOT while Anu is I AM, which can also be read as 1s and 0s[/sp]. edit: small clarification: I mean hero as in what people have started calling the Prisoner; someone who starts with no clear identity, and no past, and thus is capable of being anything, not as in just the guy who saved the day (which was totally Martin).[/QUOTE] so being self-determining is the ultimate heroic quality i guess. does that mean we've been playing the Übermensch this whole time? maybe Kirkbride was a big Conan fan or something

[QUOTE=Lexinator;47466456]I have this pretty serious issue with skyrim where i can play but if i crash next time i try and load it gets halfway through the load screen and then crashes with this appearing [img]http://cur.cursors-4u.net/cursors/images8/cur781.gif[/img]But it isn't mod based because i deactivated all mods and pressed new game or coc riverwood and it still crashes and i can't work out why. [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] And it wont fix itself until i restart everything else on my pc works fine.[/QUOTE] I had that for a bit, the fix for me without restarting everything was to just wait, it will sort itself out eventually and load.

[QUOTE=Toro;47465840] The only issues I have found with it is wiggly ass doors (Only on those rural wooden doors that you find in riverwood and rorikstead) and shiny bear pelts (only inside), but thats it.[/QUOTE] Is your average fps like 5?

[QUOTE=Sharker;47468307]Is your average fps like 5?[/QUOTE] 60 Indoors, 30-35 outdoors.

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;47468233]isn't kirkbride the one who came up with chim? i like chim, think it's interesting [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] im a big gay talos lover[/QUOTE] Yeah, CHIM is from Morrowind, and MK wrote pretty much everything Morrowind, so he's responsible for it. And CHIM is super badass. For those who don't know, it's not modding or the console or any other meta nonsense; in short, it's realizing you as an individual do not exist (I AM NOT), but concluding that "Fuck you Godhead, I AM". So long as you maintain that I AM, you're essentially a lucid dreamer, able to change the world around you, though limited by the possibility of waking the dreaming Godhead (which isn't literally a guy sleeping and dreaming of Nirn, it's an incomprehensible presumably sentient thing that's been shattered into its own delusions, and may exist within the dream of another Godhead), as well as gaining something better than immortality, since you're constantly reminding the world that I AM, so you can never be I AM NOT. We only know about three characters with CHIM; Vivec, the part of Talos that was Tiber Septim, and that Sul guy from C0DA. Vivec completely rewrote his own history to make himself look good, Talos used it to maintain his individuality as he merged with a bunch of incarnations of Lorkhan, then Lorkhan himself, and Sul creates the next dream, the Amaranth, which is also the first dream that isn't doomed to end in violence, so CHIM is a ticket to unlimited awesomeness. The opposite of CHIM is zero-summing, discovering that I AM NOT and losing your individuality, being merged back into the Godhead, seemingly ceasing to have ever existed. The term comes from the idea of Anu and Padomay as numbers, with I AM as 1 and I AM NOT as -1. Chim adds 1 (I exist) and -1 (I don't exist) and gets 1 (Screw you guys, I exist), zero-summing adds 1 and -1 to get 0 (oh god wha-).

[QUOTE=Lexinator;47466456]I have this pretty serious issue with skyrim where i can play but if i crash next time i try and load it gets halfway through the load screen and then crashes with this appearing [img]http://cur.cursors-4u.net/cursors/images8/cur781.gif[/img]But it isn't mod based because i deactivated all mods and pressed new game or coc riverwood and it still crashes and i can't work out why. [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] And it wont fix itself until i restart everything else on my pc works fine.[/QUOTE] Something to do with the steam overlay Im guessing or the fact that Skyrim uses flash for it's UI. [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Lomme;47466867]Every time i read in this thread Imperial vs Stormcloak arguments i get lore cancer.[/QUOTE] what are we doing wrong :(((

[QUOTE=_charon;47468744]mindfuck[/QUOTE] what the fuck did i just read. my puny human brain can't comprehend this

[QUOTE=_charon;47468744]Not quoting the post I'm replying to because I'm on an iPhone and that is a LOT of backspacing, maybe I'll edit it in here later. Yeah, CHIM is from Morrowind, and MK wrote pretty much everything Morrowind, so he's responsible for it. And CHIM is super badass. For those who don't know, it's not modding or the console or any other meta nonsense; in short, it's realizing you as an individual do not exist (I AM NOT), but concluding that "Fuck you Godhead, I AM". So long as you maintain that I AM, you're essentially a lucid dreamer, able to change the world around you, though limited by the possibility of waking the dreaming Godhead (which isn't literally a guy sleeping and dreaming of Nirn, it's an incomprehensible presumably sentient thing that's been shattered into its own delusions, and may exist within the dream of another Godhead), as well as gaining something better than immortality, since you're constantly reminding the world that I AM, so you can never be I AM NOT. We only know about three characters with CHIM; Vivec, the part of Talos that was Tiber Septim, and that Sul guy from C0DA. Vivec completely rewrote his own history to make himself look good, Talos used it to maintain his individuality as he merged with a bunch of incarnations of Lorkhan, then Lorkhan himself, and Sul creates the next dream, the Amaranth, which is also the first dream that isn't doomed to end in violence, so CHIM is a ticket to unlimited awesomeness. The opposite of CHIM is zero-summing, discovering that I AM NOT and losing your individuality, being merged back into the Godhead, seemingly ceasing to have ever existed. The term comes from the idea of Anu and Padomay as numbers, with I AM as 1 and I AM NOT as -1. Chim adds 1 (I exist) and -1 (I don't exist) and gets 1 (Screw you guys, I exist), zero-summing adds 1 and -1 to get 0 (oh god wha-).[/QUOTE] Thus, all loverslab mods are canon because the dovahkin did this.

[MEDIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lyKxKn_WsE[/MEDIA]

[QUOTE=elowin;47467773]Destiny is dumb. Kirkbride is shit these days anyway.[/QUOTE] Nah I think the Thalmor suceeeding could make for a good game set in Summerset/Valenwood. Maybe another faction-play game like Daggerfall where you get to decide the fate of Tamriel, whether it will be ruled by an thalmor/elven supremacy, sabotage the thalmor and create a secular elven empire, or dismantle the aldmeri dominion at it's seams and let anarchy rein in tamriel, etc Then they could canonize the most innocuous ending and use that for the next titles.

[QUOTE=_charon;47468744]Not quoting the post I'm replying to because I'm on an iPhone and that is a LOT of backspacing, maybe I'll edit it in here later. Yeah, CHIM is from Morrowind, and MK wrote pretty much everything Morrowind, so he's responsible for it. And CHIM is super badass. For those who don't know, it's not modding or the console or any other meta nonsense; in short, it's realizing you as an individual do not exist (I AM NOT), but concluding that "Fuck you Godhead, I AM". So long as you maintain that I AM, you're essentially a lucid dreamer, able to change the world around you, though limited by the possibility of waking the dreaming Godhead (which isn't literally a guy sleeping and dreaming of Nirn, it's an incomprehensible presumably sentient thing that's been shattered into its own delusions, and may exist within the dream of another Godhead), as well as gaining something better than immortality, since you're constantly reminding the world that I AM, so you can never be I AM NOT. We only know about three characters with CHIM; Vivec, the part of Talos that was Tiber Septim, and that Sul guy from C0DA. Vivec completely rewrote his own history to make himself look good, Talos used it to maintain his individuality as he merged with a bunch of incarnations of Lorkhan, then Lorkhan himself, and Sul creates the next dream, the Amaranth, which is also the first dream that isn't doomed to end in violence, so CHIM is a ticket to unlimited awesomeness. The opposite of CHIM is zero-summing, discovering that I AM NOT and losing your individuality, being merged back into the Godhead, seemingly ceasing to have ever existed. The term comes from the idea of Anu and Padomay as numbers, with I AM as 1 and I AM NOT as -1. Chim adds 1 (I exist) and -1 (I don't exist) and gets 1 (Screw you guys, I exist), zero-summing adds 1 and -1 to get 0 (oh god wha-).[/QUOTE] Not so much not existing per se, but understanding that you are part of the universe/godhead, yet not being subsumed by it. Realizing that, you can control the world as one controls its arm, as it's a part of you, and you, it. [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=hypno-toad;47469706]Nah I think the Thalmor suceeeding could make for a good game set in Summerset/Valenwood. Maybe another faction-play game like Daggerfall where you get to decide the fate of Tamriel, whether it will be ruled by an thalmor/elven supremacy, sabotage the thalmor and create a secular elven empire, or dismantle the aldmeri dominion at it's seams and let anarchy rein in tamriel, etc Then they could canonize the most innocuous ending and use that for the next titles.[/QUOTE] Or pull another dragon break :v:

[QUOTE=_charon;47468744]Not quoting the post I'm replying to because I'm on an iPhone and that is a LOT of backspacing, maybe I'll edit it in here later. Yeah, CHIM is from Morrowind, and MK wrote pretty much everything Morrowind, so he's responsible for it. And CHIM is super badass. For those who don't know, it's not modding or the console or any other meta nonsense; in short, it's realizing you as an individual do not exist (I AM NOT), but concluding that "Fuck you Godhead, I AM". So long as you maintain that I AM, you're essentially a lucid dreamer, able to change the world around you, though limited by the possibility of waking the dreaming Godhead (which isn't literally a guy sleeping and dreaming of Nirn, it's an incomprehensible presumably sentient thing that's been shattered into its own delusions, and may exist within the dream of another Godhead), as well as gaining something better than immortality, since you're constantly reminding the world that I AM, so you can never be I AM NOT. We only know about three characters with CHIM; Vivec, the part of Talos that was Tiber Septim, and that Sul guy from C0DA. Vivec completely rewrote his own history to make himself look good, Talos used it to maintain his individuality as he merged with a bunch of incarnations of Lorkhan, then Lorkhan himself, and Sul creates the next dream, the Amaranth, which is also the first dream that isn't doomed to end in violence, so CHIM is a ticket to unlimited awesomeness. The opposite of CHIM is zero-summing, discovering that I AM NOT and losing your individuality, being merged back into the Godhead, seemingly ceasing to have ever existed. The term comes from the idea of Anu and Padomay as numbers, with I AM as 1 and I AM NOT as -1. Chim adds 1 (I exist) and -1 (I don't exist) and gets 1 (Screw you guys, I exist), zero-summing adds 1 and -1 to get 0 (oh god wha-).[/QUOTE] I really, [b]really[/b] want to try a hit of whatever Kirkbride was smoking.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;47469932]I really, [b]really[/b] want to try a hit of whatever Kirkbride was smoking.[/QUOTE] Just read up on TES lore a bit more, it bleeds through pretty well. Mystic Towers and the Love Letter, man.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;47469932]I really, [B]really[/B] want to try a hit of whatever Kirkbride was smoking.[/QUOTE] From what I can find out about him, a combination of opium and synaesthesia. edit: for reference, this is his avatar on the Bethsoft forums [IMG]http://forums.bethsoft.com/uploads/profile/photo-656601.jpg?_r=0[/IMG]

[QUOTE=_charon;47470168]From what I can find out about him, a combination of opium and [B]synaesthesia[/B].[/QUOTE] His synaesthesia is suspected to be the reason why so many of the extremely powerful, world-changing forms of magic involve sound in some form (dragon shouts, tonal architecture, sword singing, and so on).

kirbride's "drug" was probably just philosophy and good literature, it's legal in all states and people should try it [editline]6th April 2015[/editline] eg. one of his inspirations for the Sermons was the Bhagavad Gita

[QUOTE=-Iker-;47467381]Holy shit I went with Ralof when I started my playthrough but seeing this thread and Ulfric and his mate being racist dickheads is making me want to go with the empire. I'm just going to remain neutral for now, helping the people of skyrim. Can't we just murder the fucking talmor.[/QUOTE] Ralof and Hadvar are good peoples, and you don't have to kill either of them.

[QUOTE=27X;47470353]Ralof and Hadvar are good peoples, and you don't have to kill either of them.[/QUOTE] I remember the first time I played Skyrim's opening, I told my friend that I was gonna ignore the Civil War questline on the basis of everyone-is-a-jerkbag, and start my own faction with Hadvar called the Hadvars.

[QUOTE=Sharker;47468307]Is your average fps like 5?[/QUOTE] If you have a card made in the last two years and a [b]correctly set ENB[/b], getting 60 frames at 1080 is rather easy, and you shouldn't getting over that anyway.

[QUOTE=27X;47470399]If you have a card made in the last two years and a [b]correctly set ENB[/b], getting 60 frames at 1080 is rather easy, and you shouldn't getting over that anyway.[/QUOTE] Then you install some 4k textures and flora overhauls n shit and you're down to 5 also what do you consider a correctly set ENB?

this is kirkbride's ama image on reddit [t]http://i.imgur.com/4Vjyycj.jpgp[/t]

As a frost damage specialist, you have no idea how happy I get when I see a Flame Atronach.