Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

Would you guys recommend EU4 for my first Pandora game? I got hooked after watching a few playthroughs, but it seems like everyone has different opinions on it.

I liked it. People like to complain about things.

I think it's probably the best for newcomers. Crusader Kings 2 is sort of easy as well, but it's a lot less forgiving if you don't play carefully.

I've learned how to game CK2, but my strategy is in no way careful and it works out.

You must be a lover of civil wars, then!

[QUOTE=Freakie;43200547]You must be a lover of civil wars, then![/QUOTE] Civil wars supply the tears that sustain my dynasty.

[QUOTE=Freakie;43200547]You must be a lover of civil wars, then![/QUOTE] Not really, I stay a king and shove ever single duchy title on my heir. The only bad things that happens is sometimes my heir will die and has children that split up the land, but that's easy to repair with a bit of infanticide.

[QUOTE=Freakie;43200482]I think it's probably the best for newcomers. Crusader Kings 2 is sort of easy as well, but it's a lot less forgiving if you don't play carefully.[/QUOTE]The thing with CK2 is it breaks away from other PI games, since you're playing individual characters and keeping together dyansties instead of being the disembodied spirit of a whole country.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;43200711]The thing with CK2 is it breaks away from other PI games, since you're playing individual characters and keeping together dyansties instead of being the disembodied spirit of a whole country.[/QUOTE] Eh? I thought you play as the Emperor/King/President/Prime minister/whatever of the ruling government in Europa and HoI3? Its not like youre some illuminati backroom schemer

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;43201183]Eh? I thought you play as the Emperor/King/President/Prime minister/whatever of the ruling government in Europa and HoI3? Its not like youre some illuminati backroom schemer[/QUOTE] Yeah but you're always the leader of your country In Crusader Kings you can go from Holy Roman Emperor to Count of Baden in one generation

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43201297]Yeah but you're always the leader of your country In Crusader Kings you can go from Holy Roman Emperor to Count of Baden in one generation[/QUOTE] Wasn't disputing that, more of the whole omnipotent ruler in anything besides CK2

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;43201183]Eh? I thought you play as the Emperor/King/President/Prime minister/whatever of the ruling government in Europa and HoI3? Its not like youre some illuminati backroom schemer[/QUOTE]You're not playing the rulers themselves, you essentially are the power beyond the throne. Like if something happened to the ruler (eg dying) or successful revolutions occur, etc you'll still be in power no matter what.

[QUOTE=Tureis;43154459]I like how the culture conversion works in EU4, in EU3 it could just never happen. I wish the culture conversion was also changed in CK2, I hate having pockets of my culture in places they really shouldn't be at.[/QUOTE] I kind of like the culture conversion too. Rather, it should also have random events where a culture spreads to another provinces, albeit with a really low chance. The culture conversion implies that you're settling the area and making a huge effort to assimilate, which I completely like. Kind of like the true Bavaria-Austria settlement which deromanized the region. [editline]16th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=kamikaze470;43201802]You're not playing the rulers themselves, you essentially are the power beyond the throne. Like if something happened to the ruler (eg dying) or successful revolutions occur, etc you'll still be in power no matter what.[/QUOTE] You play as the government, rather than a leader like in CK2.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;43201297] In Crusader Kings you can go from Holy Roman Emperor to Count of Baden in one generation[/QUOTE] As long as the Dynasty survives. Iron mode in CkII is such a great thing.

holy shit playing muscovy in eu4 is easy mode. i formed russia in like...1510 or something. anyone who is new to eu4 should prolly play muscovy first. i remember it being challenging in eu3 but that was prolly because of the 1399 start date which means golden horde is actually an early game threat and novgorod isn't a complete pushover.

Really like CKII because of all of the total conversion mods (Elder Scrolls and Game of Thrones).

Eu4 is 10$ on the Humble store.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43218346]Eu4 is 10$ on the Humble store.[/QUOTE] Is it worth getting? I feel like I should buy it having 140+ hours on CKII, most of it's DLC and really enjoying it

For $10 you can't go wrong.

[QUOTE=cccino;43218668]For $10 you can't go wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm now $10 poorer. Any recommendations for who to play if you're new to EU?

[QUOTE=Aureolin;43219130]I'm now $10 poorer. Any recommendations for who to play if you're new to EU?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43208963]holy shit playing muscovy in eu4 is easy mode. i formed russia in like...1510 or something. anyone who is new to eu4 should prolly play muscovy first. i remember it being challenging in eu3 but that was prolly because of the 1399 start date which means golden horde is actually an early game threat and novgorod isn't a complete pushover.[/QUOTE] do muscovy. there are a few reasons. 1. it's easy as shit. your starting position ensures that everyone around you gets rekt almost instantly(except lithuania, but they get rekt in less than a century). 2. no early game colonialism and naval warfare so the game is a lot more focused. 3. lots of diplomacy and after you take out novgorod/form russia the game gets pretty "sandboxy" for diplomacy. depending on how you go forward there are lots of options for alliances, vassals, unions, etc. especially if you support rebellions in lithuania to weaken it. i have ukraine as an ally to destroy lithuania. my plan is to claim their throne at the first opportunity and forcefully put them as a junior under the great russian empire. 4. very war oriented. it also seems to have a gradual difficulty curve with it(although always towards the easier side). you start out against weak targets like novgorod, move up to a bigger target of lithuania, then you start fighting guys like crimea/kazan who have a terrible habit of allying the ottomans, a fairly tough opponent. so yea muscovy is an excellent starter for diplomacy and warfare. on the flipside, portugal is a good starter for colonialism, naval ambitions, and trade. muscovy/russia hardly needs a navy, the only colonialism you will be participating in will be going east or going into alaska, and trade is mostly a non-issue since your centers of trade are absolutely worthless.

Portugal, Muscovy and the Ottoman empire are probably the friendliest countries to play. I would probably even add Ming/Japan as a starter for none-european gameplay.

Scandinavian countries are really interesting if you want to either destroy the Kalmar like it was hisotrically, or keep it together and super scandinavia. [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] You have to really juggle diplomacy, colonization, war, vassalage. Lots of stuff, or else you'll get fucked. I usually make the baltic states a unified X Scandinavian culture, usually Danish duchy. Followed by releasing Finland as a vassal. I usually rush invade Novgorod to connect Finland and Estonia right off the bat. From there, with the Kingdom of Finland and the baltic duchy, I have strong eastern buffer states.

Sounds a good deal more complicated than CKII. Thanks for the advice lads

It's not that it's more or less complex, it's just different. [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] Hearts of iron 3 though. I have several dozen hours in it and I still don't understand a lot of it.

[QUOTE=Aureolin;43219861]Sounds a good deal more complicated than CKII. Thanks for the advice lads[/QUOTE] it's complicated in a different way. you don't gotta pay much attention to dynasty or marriage or monarchy in particular.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43220406]it's complicated in a different way. you don't gotta pay much attention to dynasty or marriage or monarchy in particular.[/QUOTE] You are now in a personal union with France.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43221067]You are now in a personal union with France.[/QUOTE] the personal union thing, unless you get active with claiming thrones, is mostly random and luck based. there isn't a lot of marriage based diplomacy and royal marriages are pretty much necessary if you wanna diplo-annex vassals or juniors since it costs legitimacy.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43218346]Eu4 is 10$ on the Humble store.[/QUOTE] Oh I am all over that.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43219970]It's not that it's more or less complex, it's just different. [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] Hearts of iron 3 though. I have several dozen hours in it and I still don't understand a lot of it.[/QUOTE] I find Hearts of Iron III pretty easy, the thing is though, I often get bored of micro-managing divisions so I end up just selecting AI Control for most of my theatres.