Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43308710]Generally, give land to cousins and beyond, but breed your other children out in order to make kinsmen for the main line. You want to have several lines so that you can give out land to family without there being huge claimant wars over kingdoms. .[/QUOTE]I would advise against handing out titles to relatives (immediate or not). It alway leads to trouble no matter what, I'd avoid doing it as much as possible.

The most satisfying thing to me is playing games in the SWMH map, it basically expands the map by 4x. I like to start out as a single county, and grow to be world powers exclusively to marriage, not waging war until I have at least a kingdom or two. I did a Single county Swiss Habsburg game. By the end of the save, though it was only mid 1300's I think, (Updates and shit break it) I had gotten there to be a large hegemony. I gained all of Iberia through Marriage, Castille-Leon on one branch, Aragon-Portugal-Aquitaine on another. Through inter marrying of lines, I managed to obtain all of that on my titles, from there because of a vassal, we also had most of Wales and parts of Ireland. By Marriage, I had lines that held most of western Poland, Austria proper, though that line died out, Kings of Hungary-Croat. East Roman Emperors (This one took planning. Had to import courteirs and train generations in advance for there to be a greek orthodox line.), Kings of Egypt through Crusades, Technically also Kings of Jerusalem, though that was a Godwin title, the families were constantly in marriage alliances and were basically all related to each other. I might have some screenshots from parts of the game. OHHHHH FOUND IT. So one thing that happened was that Upper Loraine-Luxembourg-Whatever managed to revolt and the family had Austria, lowcountries, western germany, middle italy, lots of shit. Note that Venice for some time was a single city on the edge of souther Italy. They lost venice proper and most of their crap and it took them a super long time to recover. Southern Italy is a massive mess. Spain, Western France, and Wales were Germanized p much. [img]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037626948/F882761C3244DC1B14763E0C9687B2C9C295B70B/[/img] [b]Theocracy of France[/b] [img]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037624376/948AC617E10169C1E1DA28497D90C6E79600BAE7/[/img] [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037613851/CCEB2E2CD77DCA94E685777EA8B5F8B376E4ECD9/[/t] Misr is the crusader kingdom of Egypt, a habsburg entity. [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037598037/E1EF0D61E56DF3A026CB2FABC4B0F2F61468598C/[/t] [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037600349/94C5BD7A8EDF299B2F23E8B3AA536C766E5F89DC/[/t] [b]The first Habsburg inheritance.[/b] I chuckle at how the person who gave the realm away to a then minor family is known as "The Wise" [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037589579/3A5267E71A163B53B6D4E393E0A3A6C5FEF16E67/[/t] [b]Cadet, Aragon-Portugal line of Habsburg. Seen here is the marriage that cemented the second Habsburg inheritance[/b] [t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/492313692037591753/1844170D53D9FB45A1B43E36D660BA9D708765C7/[/t] Was super disappointed that I could never finish this session, but that's Paradox and updates for you.

I may sound like an idiot, but what's HPP?

[QUOTE=Zuimzado;43309745]I may sound like an idiot, but what's HPP?[/QUOTE]Historical Plausibility Project

One of the things I find ridiculous is how CK2 handles titles. Hungary for instance, I played an Avar and murdered every single person of the Magyar's dynasty. You'd think the heirs in that case would be a duke, or a count, but no it's the Bolgars who are on the other side of the map and completely separated.

[QUOTE=Tureis;43310917]One of the things I find ridiculous is how CK2 handles titles. Hungary for instance, I played an Avar and murdered every single person of the Magyar's dynasty. You'd think the heirs in that case would be a duke, or a count, but no it's the Bolgars who are on the other side of the map and completely separated.[/QUOTE] That isn't a ridiculous CK2 thing. Why should distance from the title's de jure holdings lead to a person being skipped in succession? That'd be a tad ridiculous, if anything.

[QUOTE=Autism;43311305]That isn't a ridiculous CK2 thing. Why should distance from the title's de jure holdings lead to a person being skipped in succession? That'd be a tad ridiculous, if anything.[/QUOTE] They have no claim though. They're just a Tengri ruler of King title so the game decides to give the land to them.

Has Hearts of Iron III been on a Daily Offer/Flash Sale/Community Choice?

I'd just like to toss out a recommendation based on a short 5 hours of gameplay (so far) -- I like EUIV. A lot. Definitely more than CKII, and i'll explain why in a probably nonsensical manner. If, like me, you thought CKII seemed really cool, and you [I]wanted[/I] to love it but found yourself hung up on the family dynasty elements... perhaps not understanding them, or having to spend nearly an hour at a stretch with the game paused, trying to figure out who was going to backstab you.. and [I]not[/I] enjoying that aspect, then like me you may enjoy EUIV a lot more. CK2 is like sitting through Game of Thrones with your ex-girlfriend's family... there's good bits, but aunty won't shut the fuck up and the dog keeps trying to get everyone's attention and.. well, in retrospect, that's when you realized things just weren't going to work out. I only spent ~30hrs with CK2 before throwing in the towel out of frustration, but those 30 hours seemed much vaster & longer thanks to (for [I]me[/I] don't make this personal facepunch) the unenjoyable family dynamics. I want to focus on grand strategy. I want to manipulate trade routes to route money/power away from the major nations and into my own country's pockets. I want a streamlined military system, which made it easy to understand the forces available & their capabilities. I want an easy-to-understand yet still fascinating technology tree so I can trace technological advancements through history.. without reading a book. EUIV delivers on all these fronts, and provides none of the shortcomings of CKII. This is a game I love, and the best part is that so far, it's an unbridled love. For me, CKII is the adorable puppy that has a limp leg. You love it but know that eventually you'll have to put it down (for me, that was around 30hrs). EUIV is the hunting dog, well-bred & pedigreed, and I'm looking forward to many dusky weekends with her before she, too, dies of old age. Hopefully by then EUV is out. PS EUIV is SERIOUSLY easy to learn. CK2 had the shittiest tutorial i've ever seen, Paradox completely remedied that situation. [B]Buy it guys, buy it. It's a beautiful game.[/B]

Getting curbstomped by vassal rebellions (all because they dispute the succession), they called in 2000 men stacks of death from allied Croatia so I hired mercenaries and they fucked me over too when I ran out of money, in addition, my allies the Kingdoms of Asturias and Italy refused my call to arms. Goodnight Bayern. [editline]26th December 2013[/editline] also is EU4 worth buying? [editline]26th December 2013[/editline] whoops didn't see above

[QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;43315115]Getting curbstomped by vassal rebellions (all because they dispute the succession), they called in 2000 men stacks of death from allied Croatia so I hired mercenaries and they fucked me over too when I ran out of money, in addition, my allies the Kingdoms of Asturias and Italy refused my call to arms. Goodnight Bayern. [editline]26th December 2013[/editline] also is EU4 worth buying? [editline]26th December 2013[/editline] whoops didn't see above[/QUOTE] Dortmund is victorious

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;43315167]Dortmund is victorious[/QUOTE] Unfortunately they're under control of West Francia?

I don't get this thread's hate on EUIV. I enjoyed it.

EUIV is good, only real issues I have with it are how it tries to be a bit more linear. One way trade and such.

I have absolutely to idea how to play CK2 But i am ridiculously good at getting everybody to hate me without a big effort.

Anyone have an installation guide for Magrathea's Map in HOI3?

I hope Paradox never releases expansions like it did with Eu3 ever again.

So I tried a game of Victoria 2 as Argentina. Why does Argentina have such horrible population and immigration. Currently, I have 400,000 people AFTER conquering Uruguay, Paraguay, and chunks of Bolivia while fucking Chile has ONE MILLION FUCKING PEOPLE no small part due to immigration. Why the hell would anyone would to live on that tiny fucking strip of land? I can't attract immigrants for shit while Chile is taking all of Europe's sick and poor and also has the best military on the sodding continent. They are currently the Germany of South fucking America and has now gobbled up Bolivia, giving me no room to expand except through Brazil (if Chile is Germany, Brazil is France) or Chile). What can I do? My country is barely making any money so expanding the military isn't much of an option. [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;43320427]I hope Paradox never releases expansions like it did with Eu3 ever again.[/QUOTE] Are you trying to tell me you didn't like the National Monuments pack for the measly price of $1.99? Impossible!

[QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;43320865]Are you trying to tell me you didn't like the National Monuments pack for the measly price of $1.99? Impossible![/QUOTE] Personally I much prefer bullshit DLC and free patches rather than having to buy all the expansions to keep my game up to date.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43320427]I hope Paradox never releases expansions like it did with Eu3 ever again.[/QUOTE] They're not, they switched to the modular method of expansions with CK2.

Hm in my Converted CK2 to EU4 game Scandinavia can see the Americas and Asia? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/487812136498284207/F9A7389AD885EBE2B77DD67D0007FFCB2AA47702/[/t]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43348763]Hm in my Converted CK2 to EU4 game Scandinavia can see the Americas and Asia? [t]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/487812136498284207/F9A7389AD885EBE2B77DD67D0007FFCB2AA47702/[/t][/QUOTE] It could be because the Aztecs and Incans hold so much land/influence. Doesn't really explain why you can see most of Asia and Africa though.

[QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;43320865]So I tried a game of Victoria 2 as Argentina. Why does Argentina have such horrible population and immigration. Currently, I have 400,000 people AFTER conquering Uruguay, Paraguay, and chunks of Bolivia while fucking Chile has ONE MILLION FUCKING PEOPLE no small part due to immigration. Why the hell would anyone would to live on that tiny fucking strip of land? I can't attract immigrants for shit while Chile is taking all of Europe's sick and poor and also has the best military on the sodding continent. They are currently the Germany of South fucking America and has now gobbled up Bolivia, giving me no room to expand except through Brazil (if Chile is Germany, Brazil is France) or Chile). What can I do? My country is barely making any money so expanding the military isn't much of an option. [editline]27th December 2013[/editline] Are you trying to tell me you didn't like the National Monuments pack for the measly price of $1.99? Impossible![/QUOTE] Expansions? Mods? See, thing is, inmigration is fucked up as shit. Inmigrants prefer a democracy above all and Argentina starts off with a presidential dictatorship which is kinda wrong because that wasn't the case with Rosas even though he had almost unlimited powers. So that's the reason why Brazil or Chile get all the inmigrants.

The population in Victoria 2 only shows able-bodied men, which is practically one fourth of the population. Probably trivial information, but hey.

So guys I've really been enjoying EU3, playing my first campaign as Venice. Since I bought EU3 Complete I don't have the last 2 dlcs. Do you guys think I should get Heir to the Throne and Divine Wind? I've read that these expansions expand upon a lot features and I just wanted to know if they're worth buying.

[QUOTE=timman;43351592]So guys I've really been enjoying EU3, playing my first campaign as Venice. Since I bought EU3 Complete I don't have the last 2 dlcs. Do you guys think I should get Heir to the Throne and Divine Wind? I've read that these expansions expand upon a lot features and I just wanted to know if they're worth buying.[/QUOTE] They're pretty much needed. Get them ASAP.

Is there any unofficial patch/mod for HoI 1 which improves/fixes stuff? I know this sounds weird, but I enjoy playing it occasionally.

[QUOTE=Smooth Jazz;43320865]So I tried a game of Victoria 2 as Argentina. Why does Argentina have such horrible population and immigration. Currently, I have 400,000 people AFTER conquering Uruguay, Paraguay, and chunks of Bolivia while fucking Chile has ONE MILLION FUCKING PEOPLE no small part due to immigration. Why the hell would anyone would to live on that tiny fucking strip of land? I can't attract immigrants for shit while Chile is taking all of Europe's sick and poor and also has the best military on the sodding continent. They are currently the Germany of South fucking America and has now gobbled up Bolivia, giving me no room to expand except through Brazil (if Chile is Germany, Brazil is France) or Chile). What can I do? My country is barely making any money so expanding the military isn't much of an option.[/QUOTE] I know, AI Chile is ridiculously OP

[QUOTE=Tureis;43310917]One of the things I find ridiculous is how CK2 handles titles. Hungary for instance, I played an Avar and murdered every single person of the Magyar's dynasty. You'd think the heirs in that case would be a duke, or a count, but no it's the Bolgars who are on the other side of the map and completely separated.[/QUOTE] Historically the feudal system for the tribes of the Eurasian steppe and the Magyars in the 867 start is pretty ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Black;43363728]Historically the feudal system for the tribes of the Eurasian steppe and the Magyars in the 867 start is pretty ridiculous.[/QUOTE] Yes, but the game is restricted in their already established mechanics.