Paradox Interactive Thread: V2 The cartographers nightmare. - Games

well MP was delayed because they were working on adding features that were not in the game engine. They did not have time to work on it. [quote]We love multiplayer and our current focus is on modules that would otherwise not have made the game. These are designs of entire new parts of the engine and parts that are very time consuming to get in place, such as the expanding of the economy system beyond of what was initially planned. By devoting our precious time and resources to the parts that are integral we will provide you with not just an average game but a terrific one! I know you guys will appreciate the fact that there is no shame in doing the right thing.[/quote] Source: [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?746225-East-vs-West-Official-Developer-Update[/url]

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43605841]Disappointing, basically they will release it IF it turns out alright and you can donate for BL-logic but it will basically be a mod. AKA the game is not cancelled but won't get released.[/QUOTE] Im not sure I fully understand, so spending money on it is simply donations? Why is it that it wont be released for sure, technical limitations or what?

[QUOTE=Lone Wolf807;43607103]Im not sure I fully understand, so spending money on it is simply donations? Why is it that it wont be released for sure, technical limitations or what?[/QUOTE] Some people are speculating Paradox lost confidence in the game. Commercial release is now a "maybe" not "yes" The Beta release will be 100% free. Donations will be welcome though.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43607131]Some people are speculating Paradox lost confidence in the game. Commercial release is now a "maybe" not "yes" The Beta release will be 100% free. Donations will be welcome though.[/QUOTE] On the other hand, if they had full confidence in this they'd most like put it on early access or a closed beta instead of essentially giving the game away for free with the remerk that they might never officially release it. Not that I mind, pay what you want is interesting and it is better than no news or a cancellation.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;43604338]Hint #3 for Project Nero 'There are no provinces in this game.' Nero sounds VERY intresting as Paradox didn't make a game with no provinces for a long time.[/QUOTE]Chariots of War maybe, doesn't look like it exactly has provinces so to speak.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;43607359]Chariots of War maybe, doesn't look like it exactly has provinces so to speak.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure these to projects are being Developed by Paradox, Chariots of War was only published.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43607458]Pretty sure these to projects are being Developed by Paradox, Chariots of War was only published.[/QUOTE]Chariots of War's wikipedia page says that it was developed by PI together with another studio. edit: Oh I see what you mean now, I guess CoW being a Nero candidate is out of the question.

Man I wish I had the dosh for Vicky 2.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43607097]well MP was delayed because they were working on adding features that were not in the game engine. They did not have time to work on it. Source: [url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?746225-East-vs-West-Official-Developer-Update[/url][/QUOTE] I saw a gameplay video and they showed some of the tech tree. It's so plain and boring and pretty much just a copy paste of the regular HOI3 tech tree(which is also bad and lacking a lot of in depth). I want a tech system that's like in the Black Ice mod god dammit

Project Nero hint #4 "Clausewitz as you would never have thought possible." Project Armstrong hint #4 "There will be deep technologytrees!"

[url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?749660-Regarding-the-future-of-East-vs-West-The-Beta-and-Release-Date&p=16754529&viewfull=1#post16754529[/url] One of the reasons of EvW "Soft-Cancellation" (as some are calling it on the forums) is that the game isn't living up to the new standards set by CK2. Which isn't entirely BL Logic's fault, it is the fault of the engine, the HOI3 version of the engine is not that great. [quote]So PDS ( not to be confused with paradox south who makes sprites ) worked on FTM/TFH fixing some of the same issues as we also where fixing it at the same time. Naturally once paradox released the expansion the code bases where so different that one cannot easely reuse the code from the other party, so we often shared on a bug by bug basis. Many of these fixes & optimizations made it into TFH/FTM, and we in return also got bugfixes and important improvements like the better hardcoded AI from FTM back from PDS. [B]Also after the success of CK2, PI ( the publisher ) has a quite higher standard on the engine than they had when they released HOI3[/B] (and dare i say sword of the stars 2, which is a good thing!)... but it also means lots of extra work on the HOI foundation that we got - which doesnt really help the game progress gameplay wise. [/quote]

So Nero will run on Clausewitz but without provinces? Interesting. My bet is on a game about the fall of Rome and the Dark Ages. Instead of provinces there would be resources and cities on the map, and tribes would migrate and grow "fluidly" and take control of the resources within their borders.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;43617963][url]http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?749660-Regarding-the-future-of-East-vs-West-The-Beta-and-Release-Date&p=16754529&viewfull=1#post16754529[/url] One of the reasons of EvW "Soft-Cancellation" (as some are calling it on the forums) is that the game isn't living up to the new standards set by CK2. Which isn't entirely BL Logic's fault, it is the fault of the engine, the HOI3 version of the engine is not that great.[/QUOTE] It's nice to see that there is information coming out, especially about the delays beyond the marketing delay. Personally I trust BL, but I kind of fear that with Armstrong and Nero coming up EvW will be given nearly no promotion time.

I'm still thinking Nero has something to do with the frigid/fantasy artwork they posted on their advent calendar

The deep tech trees really makes me sure it's going to be a space race game, I hope they do something new with research though, rather than same old select tech, wait a while, select next tech, wait a while. And not EU4 mana points either, something that makes sense and is interesting for the era.

[QUOTE=CapLaPorte;43621006]The deep tech trees really makes me sure it's going to be a space race game, I hope they do something new with research though, rather than same old select tech, wait a while, select next tech, wait a while. And not EU4 mana points either, [B]something that makes sense and is interesting for the era.[/B][/QUOTE] A race to nab more Nazi scientists than your rival?

[QUOTE=CapLaPorte;43621006]The deep tech trees really makes me sure it's going to be a space race game, I hope they do something new with research though, rather than same old select tech, wait a while, select next tech, wait a while. And not EU4 mana points either, something that makes sense and is interesting for the era.[/QUOTE] Why would they release games that touch the same subject matter at the same time. That'd just be shooting yourself in the foot saleswise.

[QUOTE=DVH;43622079]Why would they release games that touch the same subject matter at the same time. That'd just be shooting yourself in the foot saleswise.[/QUOTE] That's the major fallacy going on that I don't quite get, all signs point to the idea of a Space Race game, but EvW is still a thing, even if it's going through a tough time. I dunno, everything is pointing to a game based on the space race, but as you said, that doesn't make much sense. If that's not what's going on the only other option I can think of is if it's potentially some kind of sci-fi game, or something similar to that.

I really like Conquest of Paradise. Like, the feeling of not knowing what that continent is going to be like, where it's going to be is exciting. I decided to play as Spain, since I would be able to easily get into that colonization game. It was a lot closer than expected and my new World colony is bigger than Portugal's so that's all that matters.

By the way. The lord of the rings mod for CK2 just released in Beta. It's pretty great.

[QUOTE=CapLaPorte;43624634]That's the major fallacy going on that I don't quite get, all signs point to the idea of a Space Race game, but EvW is still a thing, even if it's going through a tough time. I dunno, everything is pointing to a game based on the space race, but as you said, that doesn't make much sense. If that's not what's going on the only other option I can think of is if it's potentially some kind of sci-fi game, or something similar to that.[/QUOTE] My uneducated guess is HoI IV.

[QUOTE=DVH;43629529]My uneducated guess is HoI IV.[/QUOTE]I read somewhere that they're done with the WW2 period for the time being. I didn't hear it coming from a dev, so rather the statement is true or not I don't know. [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] Project Armstrong hint #5 - There is politics and espionage. Project Nero hint #5 - What does the Skald say? Welp, if Armstrong's hint doesn't pretty much confirm HoI4 then I don't know what does.

[QUOTE=kamikaze470;43629567]I read somewhere that they're done with the WW2 period for the time being. I didn't hear it coming from a dev, so rather the statement is true or not I don't know.[/QUOTE] AFAIK there'll be only 1 new IP, and Nero seems to be that new IP, meaning Armstrong is the sequel. Barring some IP Paradox has acquired behind the scenes, the only 2 likely candidates are Vicky 3 and HoI 4. HoI is the only game that has rockets, HoI has the more complicated techtrees and HoI has more politics and espionage. Of course the alternative is 2 new IPs with Armstrong being modern era, but that'd be hampering both EvW and Armstrong, so that is unlikely. [editline][/editline] Welp there you go.

Apparently Paradox registered heartsofiron4.com two weeks ago.

Paradox posted this on their facebook page. According to comments it is the Coast of Arms for the East Indian Company. [quote]We've set sail for this years ‪#‎PDXCON‬, and early next week you're going to receive word about what this curious image is from*! Keep an keen eye on our channels! *Hint: It's not related to ‪#‎ProjectArmstrong‬ or ‪#‎ProjectNero‬[/quote] [t]https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t31/1507435_10151934890263697_1788388237_o.jpg[/t]

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So Crusader Kings in space then?

Asian expansion? [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] Or some randomised world bullshit [editline]22nd January 2014[/editline] Or a fantasy setting

If Elder Kings or the ASOIAF mod have taught me anything, it's that CK2 works well in a fantasy setting.

But since there are already several fantasy mods I doubt a fantasy expansion would be very popular. I mean would you rather play Game of Thrones for free or random Paradox fantasy for 20€?